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[–] 167 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Vegas forgot the entire reason it was popular in the first place:

Because it was CHEAP. You could go to Vegas and get a nice hotel and go out every night for less than you could go anywhere else because they made their money on gaming instead of the accommodations.

During Covid they pivoted to trying to be a "destination" by ripping off everyone at every corner. The rooms are loaded down with fees, the food and drinks are ridiculously expensive.

The reason to go to Vegas was that a regular middle class person could FEEL like a rich person. That doesn't work when you are priced out of everything.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Two major things that are hurting Vegas today

    International visitors are down due to the orange moron.

    Attendance at conventions and corporate meetings are down due to the above stupid decisions. It was a cheap place to hold a large meeting: flights, transit, hotels, meeting hall rental and food were all 30%+ less than anywhere else.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    To expand on Vegas' woes, online gambling has exploded. Why bother driving several hours or take a plane to a desert city to play in several casinos when you can bet on a game or a bunch of outcomes by just using your phone?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's a great point to bring up.

    I wonder why Vegas companies didn't push back against the legalization of online gambling like we saw alcohol and tobacco companies do with marijuana. Perhaps most of them already have their hand in that pie, which is why it's okay. Same thing with how tobacco companies stopped fighting legalization of weed once they became the dominant players.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    That was driven by Vegas companies, I remember seeing Bally's and MGM logos on a bunch of online gambling sites/apps when it was first getting started. I don't think they realized just how viral the internet is, and how fast another entity can spin up and eat their lunch.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    no only that but they got rid of the physical machines and replaced them with screens that you play the same phone gambling game on. the magic is dead. every casino looks the same and has the same 2 machines playing the same exact games on screens.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Also, at least in my area, there are these skeezy little gaming parlors that have popped up in every strip mall where the Curves used to be.

    Back in my day you had to drive over state lines to legally ruin your life.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    This is how I've been feeling about tourist places in general. So many shallow attractions trying to get easy money mixed in with the real interesting stuff, and everyone is competing for a spot with the good stuff, which drives prices to ridiculous levels and still there's a large line and crowd.

    I much prefer places tuned to attract locals because they have to at least be good enough to be worth future visits.

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  • [+] 69 points 8 months ago (13 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I mean... Yea. But we also have a POTUS and cabinet that invite journalist to their signal groups accidentally. I guess I don't have issue with making a platform to bet on anything, I have issue on people with highly classified information betting on them, getting caught, and then zero consequences.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Probably, but I'm a purponent of you do you until it becomes my problem

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    you're not gonna convince me that the shows aren't cool.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    lol, Vegas, shows, right buddy, is that where all the bodies on the desert came from? It’s called Sin City, not Sing City

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  • [–] 58 points 8 months ago

    As a Nevada resident you can see this all over the state. The state voted Trump and it’s now gonna pay the price for it. I do feel bad for employees in the housekeeping and food service department. But I do know most of them also voted for trump including a friend of mine who drives taxi in Vegas and complains about everything being expensive. So in that case fuck them, but to the few good ones in the silver state, you have my respect.

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Nevada voted Trump. They gambled and lost. Time to learn the hard way.

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  • [–] 103 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    They hike the prices through the roof and drop quality and it’s the consumers’ fault for not wanting to pay extra for crap

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    They also changed the games to where it was even harder to win and the payout was less.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Also they turned the whole comp system from something that was a fun treat into what amounts to a grocery store rewards points scheme that isn't fun for anyone. So now instead of a pretty girl coming up to you and just handing you a free drink or some guy giving you a free breakfast because you are a big shot, you instead have what amounts to a subway sandwich punch card.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I've only been once, but watching degenerate gamblers and young parents pushing strollers around a big mall drunk was just depressing. I got a vibe of Dollarama Epstein Island.

    You know what 1000x better than The Venetian? Venice.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    I've only been to Venice out of the two and I very much disliked Venice. So Vegas must be pretty bad.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Hundreds of years of history, beautiful museums, best restaurants in the world, going to dinner in a vaporetto, horrible.

    Maybe Vegas is for you.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I'm not really a gambler. Glad you like Venice. I'll give a list to counter:

    Claustrophobic, terrible smell, rarely air conditioned, hard to find food that isnt just carbs and fat.

    The museums are cool though.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Sounds like you shouldnt leave the US.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Go to Italy, complain about the food and air conditioning. That's why Rome has a McDonalds.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I enjoyed Rome and rural Italy. I just didn't mesh with Venice. Idk what to tell you. It was a bad experience for me.

    Also we're both on Lemmy so we likely both have our reasons for avoiding companies like McDonald's.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Went to Italy for the first time last year and had a similar experience with Venice. The food was much better in rural Tuscany. Venice was crazy packed with tourists compared to Florence and Rome.

    I was surprised there weren't more people in Rome for jubilee, especially with the events going on that week. Though admittedly, I stayed away from the Vatican for that reason.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They want to cater to the 1%, they're only going to get traffic from the 1%

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is they are competing with the entire world then. The 1% would rather go to Macau.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Exactly. The top 10% of the US population is currently responsible for 50% of spending, which is propping up the economy. But places like Vegas don't cater to the top 10%. Oh sure, there are high-roller areas; but for the most part, Vegas caters to the lower-middle class. Shockingly, rich people don't like hanging around smokey casinos and a bunch of drunk gambling addicts. It's no surprise that it's suffering.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Canadians boycotting travel to the U.S. doesn't help, either.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I disagree. I think it’s helping punish the USA, which is exactly what it deserves for threatening not only much of the world, but also Canada directly. It seems like the perfect response that they boycott Las Vegas, and the entire country and its products.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think you've misunderstood me. I'm Canadian, and I'm boycotting travel to the United States. I'm currently on vacation in Portugal, and I love it. I can't wait to visit more non-US destinations.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    All good. Just thought the “doesn’t help” might mean you didn’t appreciate the boycott. Good work on your own boycott.

    Boycotts and a general strike by US citizens are the only things that might get through to the White House.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago

    Hmm yes. That's the only thing contributing to its visitor drop. Nothing else

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Looks at costs of a flight to Amsterdam. Looks at costs to domestic US.

    Gee I wonder why.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I bet Amsterdam won't arrest you for shady Vance memes on your phone.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Everyone is holding onto what little cash they have due to great uncertainty. Doesn't matter which party or which country you belong to. I think history will show us that trump was not a good money man at all. Nothing more than an evil little shit stumbling upward because of dad's money. From that point on it was all grifting schemes and tween dreams.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    You can milk a cow many times, but you can only slaughter it once.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago

    It's okay, the Dow is over 50k.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    As someone that loves gambling and always wanted to go to Vegas, I'd rather just go somewhere local if I wanna go to a casino. Vegas is as expensive as any other destination vacation (if not more expensive) but that's not why most people want to go there no matter how much they try to change their image. If you're not someone that likes gambling it's probably cheaper and more worthwhile to go to Disney Land. And if you're someone that likes gambling it's cheaper to go to literally any other casino in the country.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago*

    Exactly this. The attraction to Vegas used to be that it was cheap and you could go there and feel like a big shot. Without that there just isn't any reason to go. Its just a little town the middle of the desert, but now it costs more than Hawaii.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    It's called recession. Soon to be the Second Great Depression.

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    [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    And the fact that most of the support staff are scared to death of ice throwing them in a concentration camp.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    They got what they voted for.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Caesars and MGM don't care about your US$5k vacation to Vegas anymore. They just want to deal with the Epstein class that are going to play US$100k hands at their card tables.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    That's how it feels.

    Work trip was to Vegas a few months ago. It was pretty dead on a Friday afternoon. It was me and my coworkers walking around trying to find something to do. They were charging $8 for water at the bar. And my nachos was $22.

    A decade ago, there would at LEAST be two dozen dealers hanging out at empty tables, inviting people. You'd bump into people or try to navigate a crowd. You'd get coupons for food, and courtesy deals for being a member. Not anymore.

    It was a casino with a mall, food court and club scene too! My town's mall had more activity than this. Hell, the McDonald's on the highway had more activity than this.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    So, it's getting worse. There were videos last summer of how empty the Las Vegas Strip was.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No no, everything is fine. Las Vegas was too crowded before anyway. And last Christmas, people were spending as much if not more than previous years despite what you may have heard. Our economy is absolutely booming. Just look at the stock market, it's the clearest indicator that everyone is doing very well.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago*

    It’s not solely local leisure spending. It’s tourism. Who wants to come to the United States now?

    I’ve also been told there’s been a switch up in the way the machines work such that it’s just not fun any more.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    That's fine, I'm sure billionaires will pick up the tab when all regular people clear out of the Strip.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Same thing is happening on Orlando. The parks have decided that they are getting to crowded, so they raised the prices. That keeps out the poors, and makes the park less crowded for the wealthy, who buy more, and have a better guest experience without the crowds.

    The parks still get crowded at peak times, but the parks conveniently have expensive passes that wealthy people can purchase to skip the lines.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I got free express passes for a work event, worth normally around $160 each. I got to spend 2.5 hours in line (the express line!) before the ride broke down and we all had to leave. In just over 8 hours in the park, we rode exactly 2 rides and would have spent over $500 each for the privilege had it not been a work trip.

    Fuck Universal Epic.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Universal really is the worst on that.

    Disney didn't charge extra for fast-pass last time I went there. Anyone could schedule their rides on an app so they didn't have to wait in long lines. The only shitty thing there was that they used to make you schedule day-of, and when they changed to letting you schedule months in advance it meant that when I went on a trip with like a week's notice all the reservations were booked.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You know it's bad when gambling is starting to hurt for business.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Why go to Vegas when you can gamble all your money away on your phone from the comfort of your couch.

    Take the money you saved from the airplane fare you didn't buy and gamble it on if Trump will say 6-7 this week.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I guess they’ll have to rent out more illegal Israeli biolabs

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    New Vegas is going Old Vegas.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Old (North) Vegas has always been better...

    Like, it's still Vegas. But instead of the capitalism cranked up to 11, it's more like an average city level of exploitation.

    I was let down the first time tho, because I was expecting some Uncle Eddie shit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byfewcZsug4

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if the wealthy becoming exceedingly more wealthy and wages stagnating has anything to do with this. Prices going up, wages not. Seems like nobody can afford vegas right now.

    Hopefully they realise that they need us earning if they want us spending.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Great news. I hope to see less wasteful spending.

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