Tune a fish (lemmings.world)
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"Tuna fish" is a phase used primarily for canned tuna, but not for the live fish or things like tuna steak. It's because when canned tuna was created in the US in the early 1900's people who were not right next to the sea (like the majority of the US) did not know what "tuna" was. Firstly, the word is a of Spanish origin and secondly, its a salt water only fish. So in order to sell this to middle America, which was where most of the consumers were at the time but was also made up of people who have never seen the ocean, they added the word "fish" to show like other tinned fish that was commonly purchased: codfish, bluefish, and whitefish, this is also a fish and that is what you can expect when you open this can.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There's no one single reason, but the top theories:

    1. Tuna oil was a thing before "tuna fish". Yes, people could have said "tuna" but they didn't. That's language for you. People say "ATM machine" and "PIN number", too.
    2. "Tuna fish" has a slightly sing-song pattern to the stressed/unstressed syllables that probably contributed
    3. For whatever reason, "tuna fish" tends to refer to canned tuna, whereas "tuna" can include fresh (or frozen) tuna.

    It's… just how language evolves.

    I think, however, that "tuna fish" is slowly dying out in favour of just "tuna". As a 50 year old, anecdotally I have seen the usage decrease in my lifetime.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I bought some tuna fish and chai tea with cash i got from the atm machine

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I love this comment, I'm going to save it on a PDF file.

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  • [–] 63 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    Colloquially tuna fish refers to the shredded salt brined tins of fish like this:

    Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

    So a tuna can...? Canned Tuna? Canned Fish?

    "Tuna Fish" is still redundant and doesn't actually address the can

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, language evolves haphazardly and often doesn't make literal sense.

    Alright, that's my 2 cents. I'll catch you on the flipside.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wait till you hear about β€œsoda pop”

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I don't disagree with you but I don't control American English. I imagine both head cheese and sweetbreads would also upset you

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I don’t control American English

    Maybe try harder. Be the change you want to see in the world. I don't necessarily believe in you but I'm sure someone does! And in the end that's all the motivation you need.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    sweetbreads

    One of my favorite pair of words that don't get used much anymore is sweetmeat and sweetbread, with the former being candy and the latter being animal pancreas.

    The etymology is that meat (from mete) just meant food, and bread (from bræd) meant flesh. Sweet used to mean a more generalized pleasant taste or sensation, rather than more specifically sugary.

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  • [+] -20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Look, Americans are genetically dumb as we all know, but I don't think Tuna Fish is necessarily a consequence of that affliction in particular. It's like saying "Sail Fish", "Sail" is not a fish, it is the canvas you put on boat masts, and "Tuna Fish" is like that I think. It's a type of fish, of the tuna kind. That said, before I go just let me take another opportunity to state that Americans are genetically dumb as we all know.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If you want to talk eugenics, Twitter is that way ->

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  • [+] -10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hahaha eugenics? Have you considered not skipping school and stop drinking lead paint? First of all it's a fucking joke, second of all, there was no mention of eugenics, thirdly, how do you think intelligence works? Magic?

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    As an American who was only ever said tuna or tuna sandwich, etc. I do think "Tuna fish" has an appealing flow (euphonious consonants without any blends) and the ish pairs well with ich in sandwich

    In my mind, tuna fish is the shredded stuff in a can and tuna is bigger pieces

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  • [+] -10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No, nonono, now you are committing semantic sins that weren't even implied in the original post! It's either or, you can't have different names for tuna solely depending on what type of package they come in, that makes even less sense!

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Tuna fish is the chicken bird of the sea water.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Well, where I live, Tuna is also a cactus. Prickly pear is often called tuna. So yeah, tuna (fish) and tuna (fruit) can need disambiguation.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Florida. It's this plant, nopales are the leaves, tuna is the fruit. Also the whole plant and the fruit are called prickly pear, but when I see it for sale (as food), it's Tuna. Nopales taste sort of like green peppers to me.

    Opuntia - Wikipedia https://share.google/l2Ax80KhUVxMh7r7A

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Some of you have never eaten tuna cow and it shows

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Horse back riding

    If you don’t specify, Americans will ride the wrong part of the horse

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks to Catherine the Great, we all have to specify which part of the horse we're going to ride.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I thought it was Mr. Hands, the aerospace engineer, that made us require that distinction.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    If we didn't say that, we wouldn't have the joke about the difference between a piano and a fish.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    You can twist knobs on a guitar, but you can't make it drink.

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  • [+] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's mostly for the dad joke:

    You can tune a piano, but you can't tune a fish.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What's the difference between a tuna and a piano?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    One makes hideous sounds when I try to play it as a musical instrument, and the other I can play reasonably competently.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago*

    We have to specify so that Jessica Simpson doesn't get confused with Chicken.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The opposite of "cow steak"

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Tuna was not always popular and when people didn't know what it was it helped people know what they are buying. The US also having a large portion of bilingual people with a Spanish base, this helps it not get confused with cactus fruit (apparently tuna in Spanish)

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Don't want to confuse it with a guitar tuna

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    "εžζ‹Ώι­š"

    [transliteration of "tuna"] + ["fish"]

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Tuna means prickly pear cactus fruit in Spanish, I've heard it called that pretty often in Texas

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve noticed the same thing with Koi. But not with trout or bass or most other fish.

    It makes sense for swordfish, because just sword is ambiguous.

    Language is weird.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Of note, the homophonic word, Tuna means the large fish with lots of mercury in it in English, and means the fruit of the prickly pear cactus in Spanish. I've made honey wine (mead or in this case melomel) with tuna, the fruit, and it's amusing to hear people's reaction to "tuna melomel".

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  • its tuna fish because it refers specifically to the canned tuna fish sandwich and additional ingredients.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    β€œHand me that can of tuna please, I want to make a tuna fish sandwich. β€œ

    These words have come out of my mouth.

    Yes they’re wrong. But something about the cadence.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Come to think of it, we do say "tuna fish sandwich", but we also say "tuna salad sandwich".

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    This entire thread is /c/badlinguistics.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Tuna is just the dish, tuna on a plate.

    Tuna Fish is actually Tuna Salad. You would order a tuna fish sandwich (tuna salad), but you would not go to a restaurant and say "I will have the tuna fish" because that is just tuna.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    If I want the tuna salad, I’ll order tuna salad.

    Also if I’m walking up to a sandwich shop or a restaurant that serves tuna steaks on a grill or something of the sort and say β€œI’ll have the tuna” the assumption is, they know I what I mean (variance for multiple dishes not included).

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Listen, y’all eat something called spotted dick - you can let us have tuna fish with no damn grief thank you

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    For the same reason that American cannibals eat human flesh

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I just call it canned tuna. Or tuna from a can.

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    The American English language is wierd... Two to four instances of one word to mean different things or to put emphasis on plurals or not... Plus certain connotations depending on who you're talking to. So trying to go and learn different languages, especially when they only have one instance of something, I have found.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    They don’t have to say β€œtuna fish”. Most don’t, as far as I know. Who are you hanging out with that you think it’s somehow mandatory?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Why do they call their babies "Baby Joe" or "Baby Velma"? We know they are babies. Do they also call them "Young Adult Joe", and "Middle Aged Velma"?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am having tuna fish as opposed to tuna steak.

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