This mandates government registration to access an essential right of a citizen in a democracy. Ask for the same thing for gun ownership though and the right would lose their minds.
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It's a disgusting attempt to disenfranchise millions of women and anyone else who changes their name, or doesn't have time/money for the hassle, but it's also only one prong of the attack. The name match requirement would be at the time of voter registration, so wouldn't affect current voters unless..... Massive swaths were purged from the voter rolls - this is a reason why the feds keep suing for voter roll information from states, and why red states have complied
Last election several individuals committed voter AND election fraud. They were all Republicans.
Let’s see ‘em in the comments if you’re inclined to display them.
More recently there's a mayor of some town (in Texas, iirc Kansas) that's facing deportation and multiple felony charges for voting in elections as a non-citizen.
I'll link to the story posted on lemmy if I can find it!
Found it! https://lemmy.ml/post/43029958
provide photo ID when they cast ballots.
Does this mean mail in voting is dead?
Also, the party of state's rights everyone.
The key requirement in it requires you to have ID with the same name as proof of citizenship. Because women frequently change their name when they get married, it means that they won't have matching documents, and won't be able to vote.
Call your Senators at 202-224-3121 and tell them to vote against it.
Photo ID makes sense, if the country has this allready in place. In Belgium everyone over the age of 12 has one and it's all you need to prove identity. And since it has a electronic chip, you can use it to handle quite a lot of official administration through the internet.
This is the United States, so they're imposing a requirement that somebody not just have a state-issued photo ID, but have a birth certificate or passport which matches their current name. It's very common for women to change their name when they get married, so the net effect if this passes is to prevent tens of millions of married women from voting.
Republicans want that because women are more likely to vote for Democrats than men.

We got married in the Caribbean, over 30 years ago. We can't find our marriage certificate. I have no idea where it went, but it has never turned up in several moves.
We have requested a copy several times over the last decade or so, have sent letters with the fee (only about $10), but it is always ignored, or we get a letter back saying that the payment was wrong, or in the wrong currency, etc. We have followed their shifting rules to the letter, we've spent over $100 so far, and we still don't have a copy. As a result, my wife's driver's license has expired, and she can't get a Real ID.
This legislation targets her specifically.
Could you get married again in the states?
In effect, from a documentation standpoint you're not married. Might be the easiest solution to go to the courthouse and fill out bullshit paperwork to get documentation that you're married.
We've thought of that, but we haven't pulled that trigger yet. Frankly, this could be the cheapest divorce ever, if we, or one of us, wants to go that route.
Seriously, if we did get officially married in America, what would that mean for the last 30+ years of our marriage? Did we commit numerous cases of fraud by claiming to be married on financial documents, for instance? Mortgages, car loans, income taxes, etc ?
Is getting officially remarried even legal? I know people renew their vows, but that's ceremonial (and dumb), not legal.
In much of the US, living together and presenting yourself as married over a period of years means you're actually married.
Yeah, common law marriage isn't an acceptable form of identification for Real ID.
Those laws have been going away in the 21st century, they're relics of a time when the government didn't have great records of things like marriage
I didn't consider the fraud route. You might need to consult an attorney or consider consulting an attorney in the Caribbean to have them get a copy of your marriage certificate.
But her maiden name is still valid and presumably matches the one on her birth certificate? There's no legal requirement to change your name for either marriage or divorce, as far as I know, and latitude is wide in terms of hyphenation, etc. You may have more options than you know.
Also, the question of "fraud" only really matters when bills don't get paid, and now for voting. If you have other evidence of your marriage (pics, invites, announcements, etc) from that time, you can easily prove that your intent was not fraudulent. I wouldn't sweat that part of it too much yet.
But if I were in your shoes (and I'm not, so take it with a grain) my next step would be to get a free consult with a family attorney in your state, as they're the lawyers that deal with name changes the most, and get the real picture of what's actually legal and possible for you in the state where you live. You could also run the fraud question by him/her, if it's still an issue.
This also intentionally targets trans people since getting your birth certificate changed is a pain in the ass and they've intentionally targeted our ability to get passports in the current regime.
The GOP voted to take away the rights from almost every married woman in the country, think about that for a second and you'll understand why they even made the SAVE act.
They claim it's about immigrants, but it's truly about taking away the right to vote from people the GOP doesn't like. So if you aren't a rich, white, male, you cannot vote under GOP rule.
I wonder how much of the push behind this is from asshole men worried that their kinder wife is secretly voting against the republicans.
The GOP voted to take away the rights from almost every married woman in the country
No, they didn't. This isn't going to be enforced in heavily Republican districts where women are loyal conservative voters.
When they need to catch up, or find votes, they will go around removing dem district votes with stuff like this.
Yeah, they did. How it may or may not be enforced has no bearing on whether or not they voted for it. Which they did.
Weren't conservative white women and "trad wives" blamed wholesale for Trump's 2024 win?
Shouldn't this be giving Democrats a collective erection?
Time for women everywhere to refuse to take their husband's surname when they get married.
My friend changed her name socially, but not legally about 18 years back purely because she was too lazy to do all the paperwork it took to change your name. Now, her husband says it was one of the smartest choices she could have done and I agree.
Why's it smart? I think I'm too stupid to understand
When someone (traditionally a woman) changes her name when she gets married she has to change it with everything, including social security, which is a real pain in the ass. It also means that her “real name” is now different to the name on her birth certificate. So if she tries to use her birth certificate as proof of identity and citizenship, like for this other ID bill, it likely would be denied as proof bc the names don’t match. So she would probably have to get a passport if she doesn’t already have one. Except to get her passport she would probably also need to use her birth certificate or a whole bunch of other stuff. Basically, tho bill doesn’t explicitly say “we want to make it harder for women to vote” but it will cause issues for everyone and women will be disproportionally affected bc traditional women take their husband’s last names
That's actually pretty terrifying. That means a significant portion of the women population will probably not vote.
I wonder how many republican women who take husband's last name compare with the portion of left leaning women who don't take husband's last name.
That’s actually pretty terrifying. That means a significant portion of the women population will probably not vote.
And a significant part of America would be delighted with that outcome. Some of them are quiet about it and don't say it in mixed company; others are people calling for the repeal of the 19th and having fElon retweet them.
Marriage certificates have the wife's maiden name, and then specify a space for a new surname, just in case someone changes the surname when they get married. I guess the point I am making is that there is a way over the hurdle as long as that info is on your marriage certificate.
I'm guessing birth certificate has maiden name and proves citizenship.
Passport has today's name and does the same.
Here we go. This is how they're going to further oppress the opposition and keep the regime in power. Anything to keep Trump from paying for his crimes.
The chaos might be enough to sow doubt when the claims of rigging start flowing, as we all know they will.. maybe that’s all they really want, and everything else is a bonus.
Married women can't vote because the names don't match.
This will skate through the Senate. Elections in the USA won't mean shit after this.
And wtf can be used as "proof of citizenship"
A "real ID", a state driver's licence or identity card which was verified with a birth certificate, passport or citizenship certificate.
A real ID does not mean US citizen. Non-US citizens can receive a real ID. It just proves you are a lawful resident in the US.
Same for drivers license and ID card.
A birth certificate does no good on it's own. And verifying a birth certificate is another can of worms. If it can only be the official government issued one? Then you get into the whole birth right citizen thing. You can easily be a US citizen without being born in US.
Passport would be the closest thing to a true "Citizen ID". US Nationals can receive a US passport without being citizens.
Citizenship certificates would fix the birth certificate problem of US citizens being born outside of the states. However they cost 1k+. Maybe they can make them cheaper or hand them out?
It's laughable how bad identification is in the US. We still use social security numbers.
I wouldn't be against Voting IDs if everyone was issued one for free and replacements were easy and inexpensive to obtain.
I have my birth certificate, federal ID, and social security card handy. If that's not good enough, they can go fuck themselves. How much more proof does one need?
GOP is scared. They know, short of gestapo-like tactics this November, their days are numbered.
It's not what they're capable of, it's what they are able to do without repercussions. When there is no penalty people can do very bad things, like in war.
To everyone saying people needed to wait until the mid-terms to take action: Fuck You.
Who do you think is saying that?
I mean, these guys pay good money for propaganda, I'm sure they have people posting shit like that everywhere to ensure people wait
That mentality pisses me off. Partially because they're definitely going to rig them; but more because thousands of people are dying every week. Thousands are being disappeared. How many folks were sent to CECOT? How many people were grabbed off the street? The ICE abductions were the tipping point and tragically we failed. (It didn't help to have all the libs yelling "DON'T FIGHT BACK!!")
You're going to sit back and hold a zen zone through 2 years of holocaust? Really? The entitlement of those folks is insane.
I don't think I've seen a single person saying that. Plenty saying that you should vote when mid-terms roll around, but none saying that you shouldn't be doing anything before or after.
For example, this post last month: https://lemmy.world/comment/21539323
I sent a new reply to that comment with a link to this article and they still replied "that's how elections work and you need to wait until November".
Dude liberals can't even comprehend that most Christians are on their side.
Yep. I've been asking for months and months where the protests are, and what about general strikes and so on. All I get is "it takes time to coordinate, just you wait" "it's starting slow but will get up some steam soon" "wait til the mids" "it's a big country, it's very difficult to do anything but we will sort it blah fucking blah!"
It's all bullshit.
A fucking failed reality TV star, convicted criminal, idiotic bankruptcy champion, confirmed rapist and deffo child rapist took over the whole of the uNazied States of america in less than a year and 99% of their population did fuck all about it. Fuck and all.
After decades of them watching action movies whilst stroking their guns and threatening to shoot anyone who encroached their freedoms...yet a fucking orange geriatric paedo went full dictator on them without as much as a whimper. Pathetic.
and what about general strikes and so on.
A general strike is desperately needed, but it genuinely isn't as easy as just calling for one and hoping everyone jumps onboard. Unions need to coordinate together to organize a proper one that won't fizzle out, which I will admit has been an agonizingly slow process, but it does appear to be happening.
The best thing we can do in the meantime is to unionize our workplaces if it isn't already, help a friend unionize theirs, speak up at union meetings about the importance of preparing and organizing a general strike (set up strike funds, contact other unions and mutual aid orgs to plan a date and resources, etc), and joining a local mutual aid group that will help us weather the strike.
I've been spreading this guide showing how to prepare for resistance as far and wide as I can. If you'd like to chip in and spread that as well, you have my full permission to copy and paste it wherever you think it'd get the most eyeballs (that goes for anyone else reading this too, your help would be much appreciated. Just try to make sure you post it where it won't be totally off topic and unwelcome).
You can access the markdown version of that guide by clicking the little page icon with the folded edge beneath it (on lemmy through the browser), so you don't have to manually copy the links or the formatting.
I’ve been asking for months and months where the protests are
Both the middle school and the high school in my tiny rural town did a walkout today. There's a protest every day outside the local ICE facility. There have been soft strikes as grassroots support networks form.
If you think nothing is happening, it's because you're not doing anything. Get involved.
Kinda hilarious that you critique others for not organizing while you yourself also are not organizing.
Your criticism is you asked if there were protests, nobody organized them, and now you complain no one has organized one.
You can organize too you know.
If you are saying this as someone outside the country that's a bit different. Obviously if you are not there you are not responsible to organize.
Anyway there are protests that have been happening, look at minneapolis. There have been quite a few protests, they need to go further, but they have been growing and increasing in frequency for a while now
There have been protests all over the country. We are almost at the point of civil war if this ICE sh continues. I have been protesting
Why would I travel to the uNazied States of america?
Oh lordy, no. Maybe about 3 decades ago I would have liked to visit, but now I want just one thing from there.
Just one...
I'm not interested in your food, or entertainment, like I used to be.
I'm not interested in your products and services etc etc etc.
All I want from you guys is to make the orange child rapist suffer consequences for his MANY MAAAANYYY crimes.
That's all.
The crimes were blatant and are easy convictions, all you guys need to do is put down your mega gulps, struggle up from your armchairs, and PUT SOME EFFORT IN !
Pretty much every other country that's been affected by the tRUMP-Epstein files are doing investigations in to it. Princes are losing their titles and big mansions. People are resigning from their jobs etc in shame because of the furore caused by it all...
Yet in america, nothing is happening to those who committed the crimes. Fucking nothing. The fat cunt keeps on doing evil shit and hardly anyone is interested over there.
Whatever you guys are doing to get rid of that scum then DO MORE!!
Please re-read this from my comment
If you are saying this as someone outside the country that's a bit different. Obviously if you are not there you are not responsible to organize.
I don't expect you to come here and fix things if you aren't from here. Your rant was unnecessary.
People are doing something and efforts have been increasing through out this term. Unfortunately Republicans control all branches of government and are morally bankrupt ghouls that will never go after their own. Mid-terms elections give a good chance to change that, if they happen. If they don't happen I expected things to kick off, because then all hope of a peaceful resolution will be gone.
But I'm not going to let you ignore the efforts that already exist either. People are protesting, more and more each week. People were out protesting at -12C. They are plenty determined. I'm not going to criticize them for not forfeiting their lives to start and armed rebellion. The people are mobilizing, our elected officials refuse to listen. Things will continue to grow as they have been, sorry this isn't enough for you.
You know what, FUCK...you are correct. I am ranting.
And I apologise.
I just can't understand how it got so bad, so quickly. Relatively speaking. Yeah, it was bad during that idiot Bush but then some sense prevailed with Obama and then it seems like mass stupidity took over. Then biden came along and I hoped common sense would rear its head.
And it did, but only slightly. But then he took his time with the prosecutions. Then the fat paedo started farting his mouth off about the presidency again and I though "there's no way they could be that stupid again". Yet here we are.
And I'm getting angry about it again.
The thing is Dolly Parton herself could knock at my door and say she tried to stop it and I'd reply "you should've tried harder". And I love Dolly. I think she's an angel.
Again, I apologise for the ranting. My point remains the same, however I deffo should've tried to get it across better.
You know something that I found provided some context is the American Civil Rights movement began in 1954 and didn't see the passage of the Civil Rights Act until 1964.
This was a time when people were being murdered over the color of their skin and it took nearly a decade to achieve their goals. Also it wasn't as nonviolent as reported either.
But you are right things got really bad really fast. I protested at first, but have left my country and live in Europe now. I am only a student and will eventually have to go back, but I figured in 2 years when my masters degree is finished things will have either gotten so bad I can claim assylum or they have gotten better and I can go home.
I didn't want to risk being drafted into some bullshit war. When I do go back and see family I try to keep involved, but I'm afraid things have gotten too bad to fix. After following the recent ICE shootings, next time I'm back I plan on getting a weapons permit in my state and using it to open carry at protests from now on.
I just can’t understand how it got so bad, so quickly. Relatively speaking.
It's not too different from other fascist takeovers. Hitler and Mussolini went from being jokes to seizing dictatorial control in a relatively short time. Their rise was spurred by the failures of liberal style governments to adequately tamp down the excesses of the capital owners, along with other economic factors.
To a historian, the rise of Fascism in the US probably wouldn't be too surprising. We had a popular Nazi movement here in the 30's that was clamoring for power. That collapsed due to their leader embezzling funds, and it's successors being imprisoned under the espionage act during WWII.
But as for why it's happening again, it starts with FDR finally implementing major economic reforms that provided desperately worker and union protections, high taxes on the wealthy, and social security. Those actions were directly responsible for ending the gilded age as well as finally giving the working class a sense of hope and that life could actually get better (at least... If you weren't a minority, life still sucked for them, hence the civil rights movement a few decades later).
However, starting in the 70's, conservative and liberal leaders have consistently and slowly whittled away all of those working class gains from the 30's to the 60's.
- 70's: Regulations on businesses and corporate tax rates are relaxed, and wages start to fall behind inflation despite higher productivity.
- 80's: Unions are once again being busted in the under Reagan, and right-to-work laws in conservative states allow businesses to skirt unions. Union membership declines.
- 90's: Liberal leaders do little to fix anything in the when they were in power, Neo-liberalism is really taking effect now, manufacturing jobs are drastically being outsourced aboard to take advantage of slave wages. Unions continue to bleed members, wages stagnate further.
- 2000's: Obamacare (affordable care act) passes. It ensures people with pre-existing conditions are able to purchase health insurance (they could be denied before, so if you had cancer and didn't already have health insurance, you and your family would go bankrupt). Overall it's a shitty band-aid when universal healthcare is desperately needed so workers can actually attempt to unionize without having to fear losing their health insurance if they get fired for doing so. Wages remain stagnant.
- 2010: Citizens united passes in 2010, allowing corporate donors to go on unlimited spending sprees on political campaigns (they were harshly limited before). They pump pro-corporate candidates and senators full of money or non-monetary 'gifts'
- The 2020's: The liberal government does nothing to stop insane housing costs as corporate landlords purchase insane amounts of housing as an investment vehicle, and begin to collude with each other to keep rents unbearably high. Cost of living increases in all areas, with Covid often being an excuse by corporations even after supply chains are restored. The majority of Americans have less than $200 in savings, and would become homeless if they lose their job. Insurance premiums rise to extreme levels in some areas. Most people can barely afford to live, more and more fall into poverty. Less than 10% of US workers are unionized.
Throughout the 90's to the present, we also had hard-right propaganda being allowed to be aired on TV (Fox News is one example), which fermented conspiracy theories for decades to an unfortunately uneducated populace.
All of that set up the perfect environment for a fascist to come in and perform their classic tactics of: blame minorities, promise a bright future, and convince their base that the left is literally evil and that they must be eliminated.
That's glossing over a whole lot, but that's kinda the ultra short version as to how we got here, and why it seemed to rise so quickly.
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