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[–] 112 points 9 months ago (31 children)

I know you're not impressed that I use Ubuntu but it's not Windows, and I can't be bothered to learn a damn thing about how to operate a system.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wish Linux distro devs would interview you about your experience. If the goal is wider adoption, we need to understand how to make it friendly for real. Your opinions are very valuable.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Switched to Mint recently and had 0 problems, took no effort to make the switch at all. I still have Windows if I need it, but why would I ever need it, Mint isn't all that different from Windows, but better

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    I used to use ubuntu but stopped bc i couldnt really game without dual booting to windows anyway.

    Would you recommend ubuntu now? I know linux gaming is in a much better place, it just wasnt user friendly as an OS back in 2010

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I switched from win 10 to bazzite the hardest part of the process was remembering my steam password and finding the setting in bios to boot to the usb. Ill never buy another windows pc again.
    Luckily im forces to use win 11 at work./s

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Currently running cachyOS and have almost no problem running games besides having nvidia 1060 3GB so just old hardware not for modern games. But I can probably run anything and what's not for Linux just use wine, that works much better now than I remember. Also I'm very much a noob that just can use a search engine.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I gamed on it when Proton magically made it so games I bought on Steam worked. Otherwise I just gamed on an Xbox before that. I only recently switched to popos, (still gaming on it). I started on Slackware 3.4 and switched to Ubuntu in 2006-2007. I think as long as you aren't on the LTS version, you should be good. In any case, it's not a permanent decision and seems like every distro is crazy fast at installing these days. Worth a go whatever you try or where ever you land.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    There's no reason to choose Ubuntu over Debian these days, and plenty of reasons to use Debian over Ubuntu.
    For context, Ubuntu is based on Debian, so most of the stuff under the hood is the same, but Ubuntu keeps forcing background decisions about things that are not always in the user's best interests.
    As for user interface, if you're used to Ubuntu with Gnome, try Debian with Gnome. If Ubuntu with KDE, try Debian with KDE. That way you get a familiar desktop environment and a sensible base OS.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Could you translate this to stupid please

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I'm no expert, but here's my working knowledge: If Debian is the engine/frame of the car, KDE and Gnome are different versions of the body/interior. KDE looks more like windows, Gnome looks more like macos or andriod maybe? Standard Ubuntu does aftermarket mods to Debian with Gnome.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    That's pretty good.
    I'm gonna piggyback your analogy:

    Ubuntu is like an aftermarket car company that put in their own engine. They've started putting locks onto things, and when you ask them to install certain options, they say "yes, here you go" but secretly put in a worse version of that thing that only they can fix.
    Then you take it to a shop and say "please fix this part, it's one of these" and they say "that's clearly not what's in here, you're on your own".

    KDE and Gnome are like different consoles and steering wheel, if you could bring those with you into your next car. If you're used to where the buttons and knobs are, you have the option to bring the whole thing over into a different car.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    So if im most used to windows i should try debian with the kde stuff? Whats wine in this metaphor? Is that the same thing as kde?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Not sure this metaphor can be stretched enough to shoehorn wine into it.

    Wine is just an application and it'll work in any desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, etc), and it allows you to run Windows applications. Think of it as an application that lets your system pretend it's actually Windows

    (and for the pedantic neckbeards: yes I know this sounds like I'm calling wine an emulator, which it isn't)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Okay so i do know what dual booting is. So wine is sorta like ezpz dual booting without having to restart my pc each time?

    Ty for your patience

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's a "compatibility layer".
    Wine tricks Windows programs into thinking they're running in Windows.
    It sets up a fake C: drive and intercepts requests for built-in Windows features with Linux equivalents that are wearing Groucho Marx glasses and T-shirts that say NORMAL WINDOWS FEATURE.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Debian is your most basic Cheerio cereal. Cereal in a bowl with milk and a spoon. Ready for you to eat.

    Ubuntu came along and is all that plus berries, bananas, sugar, and many other toppings. They also give you a fork and knife if you want to eat using those as well as a napkin.

    If you like bananas on your Cheerios and nothing else, I mean, sure you can go with Ubuntu and get bananas on your Cheerios with milk and a bowl and spoon, but many people prefer to just go with Debian and then add bananas on top on their own because they don’t want everything else that comes with it. They may not hate it, it’s just going to be a waste of food to get all that extra stuff and have to remove it after the fact.

    For some people that only want bananas, they’ll go with Ubuntu because adding bananas on your cereal involves opening the banana and using a knife to cut the banana into slices. Ubuntu may use a machine to cut your bananas into perfect, equal slices, so some people want to go with Ubuntu for those reasons, whether it be because they’ve done the legwork or because they did it in a way that is the most clean method whereas you doing it ended up with you needing to redo the process 3 times and now you have little bits of excess bananas from your past failed attempts and not doing the best job cleaning it up.

    TL;DR: Ubuntu took Debian and added a bunch of stuff on top of it for their users. Some people like Ubuntu because of that and it makes it easier because Ubuntu included everything whereas some people want the source Debian because they will add their own stuff on their own the manual way.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I’m on Kubuntu and loving it. The most I’ve had to go for a game on steam is change a compatibility tool (literally right click and click a checkbox and dropdown). Final Fantasy XIV (MMO) was mostly straightforward, but I had very specific mods and 3rd party tools I wanted, but they all work still after going down a mostly straightforward rabbit hole. Not a lot of weirdness there, just learning how to mod on Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    If Ubuntu works for you then that's good. Don't listen to the gatekeeping weenies who shit on people for not using arch or whatever. Most of them haven't built their os from source and are just roleplaying having a unix beard.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    My university had the head of cyber security for a bank over to talk about pen testing, and one of the questions he got was "What Linux distro do you use at home." He said Ubuntu, because he wants a system that's stable and has support. If it works, it works.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    boot

    open librewolf

    open neovim

    code my silly lil' Dreamcast stuff

    close neovim

    play quake arena

    shutdown

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    What do you code for the Dreamcast?

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    I'm doing a small racing game inspired by Aerogauge(N64)

    ATM its a proof-of-concept esque... demo... ish... thing, for the DreamDisc '25 jam But after the jam, do want to continue developing it and make it a full game

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Dad energy. Debian + XFCE. Get off my lawn.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I’ve been considering this actually.

    On my main pc, which I mostly use for gaming, I’m running CachyOS, which was great when I actually had time to play games, but I’ve got a kid now and just got promoted to manager so I don’t really have a lot of time these days. I have a second pc which is technically a laptop but the battery is completely gone (and it’s also somewhat old now) that I’ve been planning on using more for office-y stuff. I’ve currently got it running Mint but I’m heavily considering hopping to Debian.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I'm the kind of user that spends a whole weekend to fix a driver issue for an obscure 2000s sound card, then proceeds to erase the entire process from memory to repeat it from scratch on a new system next year.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Add a 3rd Dimensions and you will find BSD chads laughing at us from their jail's

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They should laugh. When I switched from FreeBSD to Linux felt it like such a downgrade.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Im curious what you felt was a downgreade. I think its much better designed but I feel it lacks so many more features vs modern Linux

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    whats's a distro? :3 My UI looks like Windows 95 and i have cute cats in my terminal :3 i can text my friends, play games, surf the internet and do arts :3 what else does a girl need? :)

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a nightmare for any IT department and software developer. I know enough to do damage, but don't have the patience and knowledge to wield this power. I go around editing shit in random config files in order to "temporarily fix" an issue and then forget that I ever did it, slowly turning and system I touch into a ticking time bomb. This also combined with my unique ability to seemingly break any piece of software by merely interacting with it, especially on Linux, before I even had the chance to install anything. I've installed and used Linux on countless devices and haven't ever had a smooth ride, yet still I'm completely daily driving Linux at this point.

    I use Arch by the way :3 (and Fedora, and Ubuntu, and Raspbian, and God knows what else)

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Debian on my production servers, Arch Linux as my daily driver, Linux Mint on the devices I manage for normies.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Debian is my daily driver and for regular people I help. Comes with a service card saying "it will work and you will like it".

    I help for free. If someone does not like it, they can pay to have what they want done. But they don't get to ask for help again.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Debian is solid as fuck, perfect for work computers, but I like tinkering with bleeding edge software on the AUR in my free time.

    When a huge batch of laptops at my workplace that couldn't support Windows 11 stopped receiving updates, I switched them to Mint for a drop-in-replacement that wouldn't scare them too much. Now that they're used to it Debian is probably the next step.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Devuan seems more pure Debian.

    Debian took a turn from a bad vote, and kept the name, while being a different thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Systemd makes perfect sense for Debian, its a stable OS and systemd is objectively stable (its also more usable and easier, additionally its what every other distro uses and has the most support)

    Debian is an OS for everyone that anyone can install

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    also

    systemd is objectively stable

    more stable than sysvinit (or runit or openrc or other init systems)?

    more usable

    not in my experience.

    easier

    not in my experience.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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    It's a bucket list item to someday have a pull request merged into a branch of the Linux kernel.

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    • Boot computer
    • Steam, emacs, evolution, newsflash, and web browser auto open
    • Check email
    • Check news
    • Cry
    • Go to dropout or nebula
    • Log onto Wurm Online/FFXIV/Whatever
    • Do something obnoxious in emacs that could probably be done elsewhere
    • Maybe tweak a config if it needs it. Haven't needed to in a year tbh.
    • Shut down
    • Realize I forgot to update
    • Say I'll do it tomorrow Like I'm on Arch but it's a computer. I do computery things on it. Write my silly little stories that would traumatize a therapist. Do obscene things in video games.

    I got really into customizing my system for a while, but now that it works I just leave it be, mostly. Most recent major change was my update command now spits out a list of packages, so if I need to reinstall I can just shove that into pacman

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    Um, the POSIX kind?

    img

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I am certainly one of the Linux users that ever lived.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Fedora, simple, consistent, versatile, up to date.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The kind that pretends he understands the terminal output before entering "Y" after pasting in a decade-old user script suggestion on stack exchange.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You know, the kind that insists on using Arch, despite being slightly (or more) below the skill level one should have before using it.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Honestly the skill level for Arch is kinda overblown nowadays.

    You can use Archinstall and get a full desktop and a pretty hands off experience if you don't go around tweaking any lower level system stuff.

    And if you're extra lazy (like me) Endeavour or Cachy makes the minimal setup even more streamlined with good default settings. But you still get the AUR and fast updates, which I assume it what the average user wants more than complete control over how their system is setup.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Yes, you are mostly correct. In some sense, it is more a cultural thing. If your Arch breaks, the expectations for your ability to deal with it yourself are a bit higher. There are good instructions and people willing to help, but the latter (both inside and outside of Arch community, I think) may tell you that you shouldn't be using Arch if you don't meet their expectations.

    Anyway, another aspect of it is the fact that with my system, I am a bit of a tinkerer.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And if you're extra desperate, there's always manjaro. But I love it. My hardware somehow works out of the box with them. Having the AUR is definitely a godsend for some things. One day I'll likely contribute something to it as a tiny tribute back.

    Does anyone who installed arch using archinstall actually use the 'i use arch, btw' meme?

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