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[–] 156 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Also hot chocolate tastes 10x+ better when you’ve been out in the cold.

    The trick is you have to be out there for at least 20 minutes to acclimate. Otherwise it just hurts a little and then you get hot when you go back inside.

    Source: I work outside in Northern New England including on the sides of mountains.

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  • [–] 76 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Shitty take. It's like: People be like: I love summer and then stay inside in the A/C.

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  • [–] 63 points 9 months ago (39 children)

    Gatekeeping people's enjoyment is shitty behavior.

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  • [+] -20 points 9 months ago (38 children)

    Calling people out for hypocrisy is proper behaviour.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It’s not hypocrisy to enjoy a cozy blanket and a hot beverage any time of the year. It just turns out that winter is a lot more enjoyable time to enjoy those than summer!

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    It doesn't rally have anything to do with the winter, so yeah, kinda is. Unless you're outside first, then coming in for that cozy feeling, them why would it matter if it was winter or not?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Does your house not get cold in the winter? We have winter bedding because the bedroom doesn't get above 60F in the winter and below 80F in the summer.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Not really no. We have district heating, plus my computer runs quite often. I have the same cover/bedding year around. That and we have properly isolated houses, since it does get cold outside. It does backfire a bit during summer though. Especially nowadays. Most people install air conditioners now, which was unheard of 20 years ago.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Makes sense, you've gotta be pretty bougie to think a heated blanket is hypocrisy.

    Edit: it's currently 2C outside and I just turned the space heater off because it's starting to smell funny.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    For the same reason it isn't "winter" year round inside a freezer.

    It's a time of year, with all the changes in weather, climate, and home maintenance that come along with that. Not a temperature.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    Loving something through a window isn't hypocrisy.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (26 children)

    If you say so. Sounds pretty accurate if you ask me. But then again, i really do like the winter and being outside.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    I mean, loving something from the same room (or space) isn't hypocrisy, either.

    People can like the same thing, for different reasons. Someone elses mode of enjoyment differing from yours doesn't make them a hypocrite.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    Saying they like something that they don't actually like, does.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (23 children)

    Yes. But that's not a retort. You're assuming you can tell whether someone is genuine based on how they enjoy the same thing you do.

    You're either desperate to get the last word in, or legitimately obtuse.

    I could rephrase one more time, but you're clearly either unwilling or incapable of understanding what I'm saying.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    I could say the same about you.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (21 children)

    You haven't actually elaborated, though.

    You've just repeated that way the way YOU like it, is the REAL way.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    If you say you like the winter, but you don't like the winter, what would you call it other than hypocrisy?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Sure. But you can't make that conclusion.

    You can't use whether someone likes being outside during it, to tell whether they like winter. It's a time of year, not an activity.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    But their activity doesn't depend on winter. Thats the point.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

    How is the activity relevant?

    Are you sure you enjoy winter? Maybe you just like going outside. No winter "needed" for that.

    And before you say "I like being outside during/because it's winter" the exact same sentence works for people who "like being cozy indoors during/because it's winter".

    The latter is not possible in the summer, the way it isn't possibly for you to enjoy "winter" in the summer by walking into a refrigerated hockey hall. It's not winter.

    Because it's a time of year, not an activity or even a set of conditions.

    Different people enjoy the same thing for different reasons. That doesn't make them dishonest or hypocritical.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yeah you nailed it. I have versions of this debate (although more lighthearted) with friends and family sometimes.

    There are also lots of things to like about the winter season besides just the cold. Like there being less/no insects both inside and outside, the world generally being a bit quieter, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (14 children)

    The activity is the only relevant part. If I like to ice fish, I'm only gonna be able to do that during the winter. Therefore I like the winter, because it enables me to do the activity that i like.

    Nothing about the winter enables you in particular to sit with cocoa and a heated blanket. Other than the fact that you like to sit under blankets with cocoa.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

    Then I'd argue, you just like ice-fishing.

    How does that lead to liking winter? That's just the time of year.

    The answer, is the same way people who like winter for any other reason.

    Nothing about the winter enables you in particular to sit with cocoa and a heated blanket. Other than the fact that you like to sit under blankets with cocoa.

    Ask around. The vast majority of people will simply say "it's not the same".

    Because it isn't. It's not winter.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    You can't do it at another time of year. Now i think you're the one being dense.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    Why does that lead to liking winter?

    I hate insects.

    They only show up in summer.

    Does that make me a liar if I claim to like summer?

    You can think whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact you're detecting dishonesty where none is present.

    You're just wrong.

    Liking a time of year does not require engaging in "exclusive" activities to "prove" it.

    End of discussion.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    Why does that lead to liking winter?

    I can tell that you lack reading comprehension, go back and read it again.

    Liking a time of year does not require engaging in “exclusive” activities to “prove” it.

    What a pointless argument then. Why do you bother arguing about liking seasons or not, if you don't care about the characteristics of a season?

    Does that make me a liar if I claim to like summer?

    Well, either you are lying to yourself or to me. But what do I know about you.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    The discussion is over.

    I'm clearly incapable of helping you get it.

    That, or you're a troll. Which seems much more likely.

    I can't imagine any sane person discovering how unpopular their position is as yours, and not stopping to reconsider whether they might not have an accurate understanding of how people think about the subject.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    So being correct is a popularity contest? Really?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    No.

    I'm right because I'm right, and your refusal to actually consider what I've said in your position is mind boggling. You HAVE to be trolling? Right?!

    Your position would require omnipotence on your part to be valid, yet you claim to be able to determine the presence of hypocrisy based on factors that have no obligation to correlate with the conclusion you are claiming is obvious.

    Oh look, here I go paraphrasing my own point again. As if you'll finally comprehend it enough to put together the beginnings of a valid retort.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Your position would require omnipotence on your part to be valid, yet you claim to be able to determine the presence of hypocrisy based on factors that have no obligation to correlate with the conclusion you are claiming is obvious.

    No, my point explains itself. You on the other hand require whole paragraphs to try to convince yourself that whatever you think is true, is. Do you not understand the word "lie"? Do you not know what the word "hypocrisy" means?

    In that case I can understand how you would need to paraphrase YOURSELF. Even your own argument against me, claiming that I'M claiming to be the omnipotent one falls on the fact that you only care about your own arguments, making you, dare I say, a hypocrite?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    You on the other hand require whole paragraphs to try to convince yourself that whatever you think is true, is.

    I might write with the confidence of knowing I'm right, but at least I'm not at the level of hubris where I write as if you're delusional enough to already agree with me, and desperately trying to pull the wool back over your head.

    If your goal isn't to make a genuine attempt to convince me, why are you here?

    Clearly, your stance doesn't stand on it's own, so for gods sake reinforce it.

    And if you wont do that, how are you NOT a troll?

    you only care about your own arguments

    I'm literally begging you to present yours.

    claiming that I'M claiming to be the omnipotent

    You're replying too fast. I'm saying you can't be, but would need to be, to have a valid argument.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Getting downvoted by the majority is your idea of a "point that explains itself"?

    Either your point doesn't explain itself, or you made it poorly. Or it didn't make sense in the first place.

    Either way, the next step any normal person would take, is to ELABORATE. If to no one else, at least to themselves, so as to validate their assumptions.

    If you can't, your point should be dropped.

    If you just go "well, it's obvius" then you didn't do that. What you did, was ignore potential data.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    No, my point explains itself.

    If you can't explain it, then you don't understand it. As far as I can tell, your only point is that you can tell when someone is being hypocritical, based on a single point of behaviour, on a matter as wide as the seasons. That's correlation=causation type nonsense.

    Semantics? Really?

    Rewording an argument when someone refuses to engage with it is a great way to make a point multiple times, to try to get enough pieces of it into someones head, so they might get it.

    This way of doing it has a chance of working even when someone is actively refusing to think.

    What is your strategy? Be annoying?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Winter is defined as the cold season, meaning snow, shorter days.

    If you say you like the winter but you dislike the cold and the snow, then what would you call that?

    You keep arguing as if I am the one who defined what winter is. I obviously didn't. So when you make the claim that "I" somehow define what winter is, I'm frankly at a loss of what to say other than that you don't understand what words mean.

    But i suppose anything is winter if you do it during the winter.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago*

    If you say you like the winter but you dislike the cold and the snow, then what would you call that?

    Normal. Again, people can like the same things for different reasons. They don't have to enjoy the weather conditions to find snowy landscapes beatiful, for example.

    You keep arguing as if I am the one who defined what winter is.

    Winter is a time of year. Winter still comes and goes, even if there is no snow, or negative temps. The one constant, is the earths position relative to the sun, and some of the effects that has, such as amount and angle of light in a day.

    I'm arguing like your idea of what winter is, is horseshit. Because it is. You act as if select aspects of it are intrinsic, and that each of them must be enjoyed, for a person to be able to claim they enjoy winter, without you labeling them a hypocrite. But each person can enjoy or dislike whatever aspects they want, and come to whatever conclusions they come to, about how it all balances out and makes them feel about it.

    If you really want to get pedantic, you could reduce all this "oh yeah, I really enjoy when our hemisphere of the planet is tilted away from our sun, it's my favorite orbital phase". And guess what? That would still be a valid reason for someone to honestly like winter! Who are you and me to judge whether their dislike of the cold outweighs their enthusiasm for orbital mechanics?

    But i suppose anything is winter if you do it during the winter.

    Yes! That is how seasons work!

    Was that so hard?

    Enjoying the mere concept of something, is a perfectly valid reason to enjoy a time of year. Regardless of how directly you engage with the actual conditions involved.

    I'm frankly at a loss of what to say other than that you don't understand what words mean.

    I mean exactly what I've said. I don't know what to tell you if you can't read it in sequence, and get something that makes sense.

    If you're going to bring up semantics, you should be pointing out what it is you've noticed, what confuses you, and why.

    If you want me to correct for a difference in our definitions, you'll have to actually point them out, not just blankly ask "what do you think words mean?".

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  • [–] 111 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You can only be cozy in the cold weather, plus you can wear a coat if it's cold but you can't wear an anti-coat if it's hot. When I was too young to fully understand seasons I used to have nightmares about it suddenly becoming summer because it's just such an awful time of year

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I still get panicked about summer, or even the thought of tolerating that hell of a season. Mainly it's because it has been a pain in the ASS to keep my house comfortably cold or to even have and maintain an air conditioner. It's expensive, and if the heat gets over a certain threshold, swamp coolers and air conditioners become ineffective at a certain point. It's legitimately scary. I don't want to boil alive or die of heat stroke. One power outage in the summertime could mean you're completely fucked. I wish more people treated summer and climate change as more of a threat to life.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago

    At least winter is comfortable inside. Summers get so warm now that there’s often no escape from the heat. Where I live AC used to be completely unnecessary so rental apartments with AC basically don’t exist.

    And as someone with a delayed circadian rhythm I also hate daylight saving time. I don’t want to get up an hour earlier every day. Why do morning people get to force their lifestyle on us?

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I like winter because I can control it, you can always get warmer, it's harder to get colder in summer.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I like winter because I can control it

    Can you make it stop for a bit, like maybe the next 24 hours? We need rain much more than we need snow and ice.

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    [–] 25 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    While winter is far from my favourite season, it has its charms:

    • Cold temperature outside means indoors is never too hot for comfort
    • The snow is pretty
    • Winter sports are fun

    Given the choice, I would take spring or autumn however, which has more sunlight and better conditions for biking

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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    You can have all the snow we're getting right now if you'd like! So much snow!

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    People be like, "I love pizza," after having a couple of slices for dinner. No. Eat 10 pizzas. Let's see.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Jokes on you. I love the cold. I unironically enjoy being out in - 30 weather. Yes its cold as fuck but it feels fucking fresh. If theres a bit of sun too. Perfection.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I don't get cold much either. If the temps are subzero, I just heat myself up in my bigass jacket and heavy clothes inside my home with the heater going a little before I leave, and I'll feel comfortable even in subzero temps for hours lol it's not bad at all.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    For me it's partly the cozy socks, partly the fact that people in general aren't out and about as much so it makes the whole world feels less chaotic and overstimulating.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A sun nap in 90°F/32°C is the absolute best idk what you’re talking about

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What’s wrong with loving putting on snuggly warm clothing in winter? Not to mention that I love both warm inside and cold outside in winter.

    When I was a child, I loved snow. The adults told me that when I had to start shoveling the walkway and driveway, my love would fade. It did not.

    Then I was told that when I learned to drive, I would hate it. First snowstorm after I got my license, I instantly headed out to an empty parking lot to practice donuts. I’ve been caught in sudden storms and watched other cars slide off the road. I still love snow.

    Then I was told that when I got a job and had to support a family that I’d hate snow. Yet this has come to pass, and I still squee like a child when snow starts. I long to take walks in it. I dream of sledding, or building snowmen, or throwing snowballs, even in my middle age, even if I can no longer run as I used to.

    No, you will never take my love of winter from me. Summer heat, get thee behind me.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I just got frostbite in my ears yesterday because I was having an absolute blast in -24c weather lol. Once they heal (or fall off idk we'll see, but doctor says they'll probably heal) I'm going to be right back out there again with better headgear. I love the cold, the dark, give me more winter

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yesss I freaking love winter too. I can take walks during the polar vortex and be absolutely fine because of my clothing. I recommend ear muffs. Although, I don't even need ear muffs as I usually have my headset on for music, so it's basically the same thing lol

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    So the thing is I was ice skating for the first time and I didn't want to brain myself in a crash. I wrapped my head up in a good scarf but I think the helmet prevented proper coverage. I do have a really good hat with ear covering though that I've taken out for several hours walks in -30 weather just didn't fit with the helmet

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Yes I love winter and I love being outside during winter, I imagine I would have a whole other perspective if I couldn't afford to heat my home.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    I mean the feeling of coziness and warmth inside is a huge part of why winter is so great! I do also actively go hiking, snow-shoeing, skiing, etc in winter and love that too, but that just adds to the beautiful contrast between crisp, fresh winter air and warm cozy indoors.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Went hiking with temps in the 20s last weekend. Saw some elk. 10/10 would recommend.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Last week we had a number of days it was in the twenties. I take my dog hiking every morning become breakfast. We go out on mostly unused trails so she can be off leash, because of that I do not see much wildlife. Bit I did see a Bald Eagle trying to catch breakfast this morning.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    ❌ hot girl summer

    ✅ cold bitch winter

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Love winter, its just so quiet and peaceful outside, just the sound of the wind and the bitterly fresh air

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    People who don't like winter act like they are freezing to death the second it's below 50F

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My least favorite thing about winter isn't the weather. It's how little daylight we get.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I like the night. It's definitely got a certain vibe that I quite enjoy. Daytime can be cool too, but it does suck having the sun getting in your eyes sometimes. Especially if you live somewhere in higher elevation where the sun is more bright. The only thing that sucks about night for me is that all the shops are closed super early nowadays ever since covid :/

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It feels that way as someone who has lived in the Midwest my whole life. I'm only comfortable above 60 and can never get warm when I get that no matter how many layers I put on when I'm forced to go outside.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I fucking love me a proper snowy winter. Ideally the temperature should drop below -20 at least a couple times, for that crispy cold-bite feeling. Cross-country skiing, ice skating, winter hiking, or just doing a winter BBQ in the snow, sign me up

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I just got in from shoveling round one.

    I'm thankful that it's cold when it snows, I love sledding with the kids.

    But now that there was snow and snowmen and snowball fights, can it please be fucking summer now?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    I imagine having an excuse to never go outside is part of the appeal.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Don't threaten me with a good time.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    Same. I don't get cold when wearing the appropriate clothes. This might sound weird and maybe it's just me, but even when I do get cold, the goosebumps and tingles I get almost feel euphoric in a way. I like it. Not to the level of freezing to death obviously. I want winter to last forever. Why does the earth have to be heating up instead of cooling down with climate change... :(

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    As an adult I loved winter still. I could be outside, do stuff without suffering heart stroke, and I loved running in the snow with my trail running shoes for 13+ miles.

    I now live in the southwest and man so I miss winter.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I work outside, and I have to go to work regardless of the weather, even in a blizzard. I fucking hate winter. I’m convinced the only people that like winter are those who get to choose if and when they go outside.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    While I love cozy warm bed, I will in fact be going for a walk in the worst part of the big scary blizzard purely for fun.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I just got home from being outside for hockey in 1 degree F weather and I LOVED it. I’m happy outside to about -9. I get so invigorated.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    50cm of snow outside. Walking is only option to go anywhere. Even if its a longer walk to take side streets, its a nice walk to have once a year. Going to the beaches in the south next week, and the escape great too, but fresh snow on a quiet walk is an awesome experience.

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