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[–] 77 points 1 year ago* (13 children)
  • How to be attentive to one's surrounds
  • How To project effort
  • conflict resolution
  • Extemporaneous creative modeling
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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    What the fuck does "ahh" mean in this context? I can't grok this one.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No, don't do that when it's something so niche, it's cringe and disrespectful. Most people probably assume it's a typo.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The most important office skill was taught by George Costanza: look angry and people will think you're busy working hard.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I found out at a previous position that the best way to get my work done was to be short with people. In that case they wouldn't bother me, and I had more time to do my work.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I found out at a previous position that the best way to get my work done masturbate in the mail room was to be short with people. In that case they wouldn't bother me, and I had more time to do my work masturbate in the mail room.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    As the other person said, it really depends on what people mean by "strict".

    My parents were "strict" in that they enforced a bed time. Now I have better than average sleeping habits. So that worked out.

    But I've also read about "strict" parents that, like, take doors off their kids rooms, or read the kids private messages, or other nightmares

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Yeah, my parents made us leave our cell phones on the kitchen counter so they could read our texts every night, and they installed software on our computers that took screenshots every 5 seconds.

    I wonder why I have issues with authority figures and privacy?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My folks were technology skeptics and limited access to screens. We had strict allotments of time to access electronics.

    This taught us how to game the rules and make up arguments to justify our discretions.

    They were also lawyers, so we walked into the first trap.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    The video games in my house were downstairs, and one time I did a "Can I go downstairs?" instead of "Can I play video games?" when I knew they didn't want me playing more games. Thought it was a clever loophole. Only worked the one time, but got jokingly referenced for the next ten years.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You had a cell phone as a child? Musta been nice. I had no door on my bedroom doorframe and wasn't aloud out of the house except under rare circumstances.

    Didn't mean I was willing to follow the rules. All that strictness caused me to simply rebel to all authority figures. Seriously, ask me my opinions about police or the government. Lol.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    These are all invaluable survival skills, NGL.

    It's the resulting FFF hairtrigger readiness that's fucking hell on the psyche, though.

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    Fight/Flight/Freeze (though, some even add Fawn to that)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not if I constantly dissociate, self medicate, and avoid people to the point where I literally didn't process the threat.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago*

    I had a wonderful combination of “strict” but also “there aren’t actually rules.”

    I could have handled even unreasonable expectations if they had been communicated. But there was no structure at all.

    I could ask permission to do something, do it, and then have that permission retroactively revoked. I could have an entirely normal day without anything seeming off, then be grounded for a week because there were dishes in the sink or something.

    It never made any sense.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok but tbf those are all great skills to have

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    This one hits a little too close to home...

    Also, the word you're looking for might be "abusive" rather than "strict".

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Extreme strictness is a form of abuse. These symptoms are particular, though not individually exclusive, to strictness. As long as you "behave" you avoid the material effects of the abuse. Other forms of abuse typically have fewer "rules" that can be used as safeguards.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The word you're looking for . . .

    Might be, but almost certainly is not.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It 100% is.

    My parents were abusive in this way.

    My wife and I are strict. There is a huge difference.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • It basically comes down to:

    My parents: do it or I’ll kick your ass

    My wife and I: please do it, here are the reasons for us asking and if you do it you get positive attention and possibly a physical reward.

    If you don’t do it, we talk about why and we listen to the reasons they give and adjust our parenting style if necessary based on their feedback.

    They then go and do it.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anecdotal observation from college: Lots of people got hammered on a weekend, at least sometimes, but the people who couldn't draw a line and keep it from destroying their grades were mostly the ones whose parents kept them rigidly controlled at home. It seemed like those folks had no practice in drawing their own lines because their parents always drew the lines for them, so when they were on their own they went nuts. The preacher's daughter is a cliche with a lot of truth.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What does "the preacher's daughter" refer to?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    There's a difference between strict and abusive.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This post is starting to make me think people say "strict" strictly as a euphemism.

    What I think it means: The parents never bend the rules for their kids.

    What it apparently means: The parents have anger problems.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The problem is it's often difficult to admit you had abusive parents, and abusive parents love to describe themselves as just strict. So yeah it's kinda a euphemism

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oof, that's a sobering realization.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. And a lot of parental abuse happens in gray areas and with good intentions. Sure you have obvious cases, and they're common enough I'd suspect most people know someone or another who was a victim to one. But there's a hell of a lot of parents projecting their fears, traumas, or other issues relating to their kids onto them hard enough to fuck them up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, it's a thing. Word usage varies. One range of the various usages of strict is adhering to, or enforcing adherence to, a set of rules. It can also mean that part of "strict" is enforcing discipline to maintain those rules.

    Taken to its extreme, it edges into authoritarian behaviors. But the usual, more typical usage would be far less extreme.

    As an example, ever hear of a strict vegetarian? That just means that don't deviate from the diet. That's it.

    The problem comes in when the usage of it as unnecessary, arbitrary, and cruel enforcement of rules for their own sake takes over. There are plenty of abusive people that would call themselves strict, despite violating boundaries and social mores in the process, which means they're just pretending.

    But there is a difference between a kid being tightly supervised and abuse. There's an even bigger difference for having expectations for a kid's behavior and activity and abuse. Both of those are strict, but not abuse.

    The key to that difference is usually in how boundaries are handled. You also get different outcomes, and if the methodology being used isn't adjusted to the individual kid, it's often going to feel abusive no matter what the intent is.

    Not all kids are going to respond the same way to any parenting methodology. Twins can even respond differently. So you absolutely have to be ready to adjust what you're strict about and how that's applied if you want to stay in line with the right balance of structure, support, and freedom. What one kid thrives with, the next may utterly reject and be harmed in the attempt.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I once cut a small artery above my left elbow right before I left work (We were young and just fucking around) Cant remember my exact age, probably late 16 early 17. I took my undershirt off and tied it around my arm to try to slow the bleeding while I drove home. The blood goes threw the shirt, and is all over the inside car door, seatbelt and created a puddle on my pants in the creases because they were those Dickies work pants that are water resistant. When I got out of the car I heard the blood splat on the ground so I figured it was to much. Went inside tied yarn tightly above it and wrapped an old shirt again around it to replace that one as I didn't have any superglue. I spent the hours of 330am-630am crawling in circles around the house with 2 bottles of resolve, paper towels and wet rags in a bucket trying to clean blood drops off the carpets and floors from when I walked in. The entire time dropping more blood in a near endless cleanup chain with only one thought on my mind. My mother is going to fucking kill me for getting blood on her carpets. At 630 (they open at 7), dizzy as all get out from lack of sleep and blood loss I got back in my car to drive to the clinic just hoping no one pulled me over or I passed out driving. I got there with a blood soaked rag wrapped around my arm and the lady handed me a 2 page clipboard to fill out and I remember staring at her with an expression that clearly said, can't I fill this out while he stitches my arm? Of course not, so 5 minutes later I hand her a clip board mostly free of blood and paperwork that says I have no insurance.

    The clinic doctor was great. Told him I had no insurance and couldn't afford anesthetic and asked if he could just do it without. He cleaned it a bit, poked me with a needle of some kind and put in 7 or so stitches. Then marked it down as a consult or something, so I wasn't charged with any of the items he needed/used. (Like $40 for the visit)

    I'll always remember that guy. Moral/point of the story though... If you are less afraid of bleeding to death than you are to ask your parents for help, your parents might be abusive as opposed to strict.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's a perfect example of where it isn't strict, it's abuse. Or at least right on the border.

    Also, damn. I'm sorry you went through that. I'm just glad you found a doc that handled things right.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Strict is only "bad" when the structure is bad.

    Being strict about not playing with fire is a good thing. Being strict about never going near a campfire is, at best neutral, and could be bad when taken to an extreme. Being strict about never going camping is bad.

    Strict only means keeping rules in place. It doesn't mean you can't be flexible, that you can't adjust rules as the kid ages and matures. It definitely doesn't mean the rules have to be arbitrary and can't be explained and discussed.

    You think being strict about a kid not using racial slurs is a bad thing?

    Or making them see a doctor regularly and as needed?

    Or that they bathe?

    The list of things that can't be negotiable is very long if you go into detail.

    The list of things that can't be negotiable at a given level of age and maturity isn't short either.

    Strict doesn't have to be done badly at all. It's just that uncompromising strictness is the opposite end of a slider from utter laissez faire. Which has just as many flaws.

    There's a reason that authoritative is the usual recommended goal; it's being strict when necessary, and loose when not. But "strict" is part of that. Strict is making sure that there's a reliable structure a kid can build a foundation of self on. It's the walls of the sandbox and the sheet of material under out that keeps weeds from poking through.

    The sandbox of development is the freedom to play within those boundaries. It doesn't have to mean all noes, or all have tos.

    Strict is, "you'll do your homework because it's part of the process of learning. When do you want to do it, and what can I do to help?"

    Abusive is "you'll do your homework or I'll beat your ass", and then beating their ass as the first and only option.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Being strict with a few select things is fine. Being a strict parent is not. That means being strict with everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well, no, it doesn't mean that. That is one meaning out of a solid eight or nine, depending on what dictionary you use.

    Also, seems like you're being pretty strict about what it and isn't strict. If you're that inflexible about that, what else are you inflexible about?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes it does mean that. People who call themselves strict parents are happy to have power over their children in everything.

    No idea why you try to change the topic. I am inflexible about a lot of things. About hitting children for example, shouldnt do that.

    About politics. Shouldnt be a fascist.

    About human rights. Shouldnt be questioned.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    That's not strict, that's abusive.

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    My mom was barely there on medication and my father just wasn't. It was cool to be able to do whatever I wanted, but I had to make sure Mom fell asleep on her side.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    So basically how to operate in most of the jobs I've ever had

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I've become so used to it that now I lie to any sort of authority figure or any authority adjacent figure out of habit.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Great lessons for the underpaid and overworked workforce though.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    A girl I knew in high school had parents that didn't let her do very much. She got pregnant her first semester of undergrad. I think she also experimented with some drugs, but I don't have first hand knowledge of that, just rumors.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Depends on what you mean by "strict". I think the meme is about the parents who get angry over little things but don't actually pay attention to their kids much - the ones who just assume that their kids would not dare to misbehave. However when I was in high school, I also saw plenty of kids (often immigrants) who had successfully been taught to work pretty much non-stop. I think their parents watched them (or at least their grades) closely enough that they couldn't have gotten away with anything. It seemed to work well - they got straight A's, never got in trouble, and went to prestigious universities. I can't think of a single one I knew who burned out or rebelled (while in high school - I don't know what happened to them afterwards). However, the ones I got to meet were already filtered, with the low- and medium-achievers not admitted to that school.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, it is about the ones that keep an eye on their kids at all time.

    The kids are unable to do anything unless they find way to circumvent all that bigbrothering.

    And if they need to lie constantly, they will gain experience in it.

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  • It's fairly straightforward to give a child no opportunity to lie about the things important to the parents, if the parents put in the effort. They can watch the kid come home right after school and sit in the living room doing homework all evening, and the school will tell them his grades and whether or not he's behaving well.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Strict for strict's sake is bullshit. Holding your kids accountable for their actions, enforcing boundaries, and channeling their energy into productive ventures might be considered strict, but that's good parenting in my book.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Perfect training for a lifetime of unfulfilling work for insecure bosses!

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
  • I got paddled once at school in 6th grade (this was in the '70s when they still did that shit). Two whacks for talking during class or maybe it was because my desk was messy. The teacher let me choose between two paddles (an evil all by itself) and I foolishly chose the one with holes drilled in it (which leads to greater whack speed and less surface area hit). She took me out in the hall and her first blow missed badly - hit me on my hamstrings behind my knees and they kept hurting for days. She said "oh that one doesn't count" and hit me on my ass twice more.

    Weirdly enough, she had marched with Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights era and played his "I Have a Dream" speech for the class (not on the say day as my paddling, though).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is it unusual for 10 year old kids to walk around alone where you are from? Its quite old to just atart with that here. Many kids go to school alone from first grade onwards.

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