GPU makers may prioritize more profitable models; large SSDs are harder to find.

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[–] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's always a reason for prices to go up, never for them to go down, isn't there? Tried and tested strategy with oil. Price per barrel goes up, fuel goes up. Price per barrel goes down, fuel stays stable. We all see through your greed little motherfuckers, but the reality is that it's an oligopolistic market and there's no escape.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    prices can go down, they just dont publicly announce why.

    for example, after covid functionally ended and the cryptoboom crashed, Nvidia and AMD over ordered on dies. so there was a flood of Ampere and RDNA2 gpus they needed to get rid of. because of the flood, it killed the launch value of Lovelace and RDNA3.

    Ampere stock was legitamitely bad that when EVGA left the gpu sales market, one of the biggest reasons was because Nvidia forced AIBs to buy up their ampere stock if they wanted any lovelace stock.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago*

    Ah yes ofc it's obviously a capacity problem, not insane greed that will bite most of them in the ass longterm.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    My main SSD failed two hours ago and the prices are crazy. I’m considering buying on the secondary market.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    When it starts to affect cases, I think we need to start doing something extreme. IDK what, but something.

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    [–] 132 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This is about driving us nuts into cloud computing. Just as people are forced to upgrade their computers for Windows 11. First the drought then the saving tech bros emerge with their offerings.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You don't need the latest Nvidea GPU to self host your own computing. You don't even need ssds. You arguably don't even need that much RAM. A ten year old Dell work fine. Are you self hosting your own AI? Probably not. So what? AI is not mature enough that it is a necessity.

    Are computing prices coming down? Unlikely before the AI bubble pops. I think we have taken for granted that computing will perpetually improve price/performance. This is not sustainable.

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And new computers can break.

    Might as well never buy anything because everything can break!

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Yeah and the stuff releasing right now will be "old hardware" in 5 years.

    I'm still gaming on a Ryzen 1700X. And my GPU is a used RTX 3080 I bought off eBay for $500 two years ago.

    That 3080 was over $1000 during the GPU craze last time. And what was I using before that 3080? A 1080ti I bought at MSRP, which I still have and is my backup because hey, it's nearly 10 years old and still works.

    I'm not saying go buy a dual core Pentium, but "old hardware" isn't some boogeyman and "we will eventually not have old computers" is like saying we'll never have old cars.

    And guess what, if everyone stopped buying all this overpriced crap then prices would come down, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I upgraded all of my devices to 16gb or 32gb of RAM just as all this crap started happening, before prices spiked, and made sure I have enough storage.

    Now I'm just praying that all of the hardware holds out for 2-3 years to weather this storm. Please keep on chugging, my 5800X in a B550 mobo.....I literally can't afford to replace you anytime soon.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Same. I'm thinking about replacing the PSU, which is one of the original parts, to ensure the rest of the parts don't fail due to improper power delivery.

    At least PSUs haven't yet spiked in price.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Good thing about a PSU is they are simply basic electronics with some copper wire in them

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is where I'm at. I'm selling off some old DDR3 RAM I have and I'm hanging onto my DDR4 stuff and systems.

    Just bought a 3700X to replace an aging Ryzen 1700X. $100 on eBay, so not bad.

    For your 5800X if it does die(*knock on wood) then at least you can snag a 5700X or 5800X on eBay for $200. Hopefully that stays consistent.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago

    At this point I'm just assuming we're looking at a greedflation scenario again. They're jacking up prices for an assumed increase in demand due to AI. It's bullshit market manipulation for profit. Also fuck AI I'm fucking sick of this shit already.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Is there a shortage or is it just price gouging? We should be using the right terms.

    I can go on Newegg right now and see tons of listings for Ram.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    I’m expecting software development to begin focusing on optimization in about 3 years as businesses begin to complain about feature updates slowing things down on the machines that they are keeping longer than before.

    CTOs/CIOs that were holding off on purchasing new hardware because of the upcoming improved CPUs from AMD and Intel lost a horrible gamble.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Oh look, American tech is just to completely implode all at once, neat.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So far they are sustaining each other in a giant circle jerk of investments. It is only going to implode when they run out of money, and the problem is they have a mindbogglingly huge amount of money.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Call me cynical, but I believe that companies might be happy keeping the prices high if it means they can shuffle consumers onto computers as a service. Maybe wasted silicon will end up being good for business.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    This doesn’t seem long term viable. 

    they would have to massively expand the amount of compute once the current boom ends, otherwise someone like micron will go back to consumer RAM. Micron and nvidia won't profit long term once the demand for new data centres drops. 

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  • [+] 47 points 9 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    That's an expensive hour of fuck

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Desperate men are everywhere. A lot of the ones around those parts just have more money to throw around, that's why so many go there for sex work. Ain't nobody paying you more than 300€ a session here in Estonia when there's plenty of women willing to do it for 50€ per half hour.

    Can't speak to the quality of the different price ranges though, I only browsed to see if using "services" would be cheaper than the upkeep on my ex was. It would be. Even the expensive ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I only browsed to see if using “services” would be cheaper than the upkeep on my ex was. It would be.

    This is quite the misogynistic take, dude. Did you marry only to fuck someone? People usually marry for many reasons beyond just sex. Love, companionship, shared dreams.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No, I actually loved her at first. Then it turned out she only ever wanted me for money. Said she'd kill herself if I didn't buy her things, threatened to divorce when we had disagreements, etc.

    We had 50 baby strollers in less than 2 years. She had over 20 expensive jackets and coats in one winter, etc.

    In the end it became kind of an inside joke how much cheaper a prostitute would be. Prostitute would probably have more feelings too. My ex doesn't actually see other people as human, but rather tools to survive.

    I now drive a rusty old car. If I meet someone, they won't think I have money. It's better that way. Anyone can fake being a nice person at first. But if I don't give them reason to do it, I'm hoping they won't.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, I actually loved her at first. Then it turned out she only ever wanted me for money.

    Sad to hear that. I hope you meet someone better in the future

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Heh, so far it's mostly been downhill i.e my first ever girlfriend was actually an amazing person and then the next few serious relationships have been... mistakes.

    But at least I know a bunch of signs to watch out for now.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    You would think that RAM manufacturers would ramp up production. Hopefully the fact that they aren't means the bubble is going to burst within a couple of years.

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  • [–] 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I doubt it will take a couple years. They're burning through so much cash right now that they'll be bankrupt in a couple years and despite sunk cost fallacy they won't let it get that bad. At some point they'll cut their losses and pivot to some other new fad. The small handful of uses that make sense will stick around and a few companies will be in just the right place to make it turn a profit but the vast majority won't. Some will go bankrupt (if we're lucky Meta and/or X will be one of them) and some will just write it off as a failed experiment. Either way just as hard as prices spiked we'll see them cratering before they rebound back to normal. Six months would be highly optimistic, but a year probably isn't out of the question.

    Of course all of this might be moot if Shitler manages to start WW3 by attacking Greenland. If that happens RAM prices will be the least of everyone's worries.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Practically all DRAM production is sold out for next year, there isn't going to be any significant new supply into the consumer market in that timeframe. Also, when these massive piles of memory end up sitting in a warehouse because the bubble pops, this stock will never make it to the consumer market, because AI data centres use HBM, which is soldered directly to motherboards in such a way that it's impossible to turn it into modules again. Even if all the DRAM producers start selling to the consumer market jan 1st 2027, the pent up demand will still probably keep prices high.

    All that to say, I don't think prices will crater.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Of course all of this might be moot if Shitler manages to start WW3 by attacking Greenland. If that happens RAM prices will be the least of everyone’s worries.

    Which WW3? You really mean European militaries won't back out when threatened? Suppose Shitler kills a few Danish hikers in camouflage with professional pride. Nothing will happen, he'll just take it.

    I swear. For a big war based on alliances and rules to happen you need principles and institutions of the military sort.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    It takes time to build factories, the big three RAM manufacturers apparently think AI is a bubble, although that could just be an excuse for price fixing.

    China's cxmt is apparently ramping up production, but they're still relatively small.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    China is pushing hard to make their domestic brands the new standard world wide so they're not worried about whether the bubble pops or not. They want to drive prices down even if that means selling at a loss because they know that's what it's going to take to dislodge the entrenched players. For better or worse it's likely a winning strategy because the existing players are more concerned with maximizing their quarterly profits rather than meeting any kind of consumer demand or indeed even selling to consumers at all.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    They are ramping up production. But it all goes to AI data centers.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Why can't anyone go against the current and sell to individual customers only?

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If I as a customer pay, idk, 10€ per gb of RAM and an AI data center pays 20, do you really think they are going to consider how they are feeding a bubble that in the not-so-long term will burst and fuck them up too?

    Nah, mate, they are capitalists, they only care about the money they can make in the extremely short term.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    Because consumer sales is slow and expensive.

    What do you think costs more? Building RAM sticks for individual users who'll pay $200-300 per 8/16 DRAM modules, or building sticks for enterprise customers who in one single order will spend millions of USD? Also latter requires no fancy packaging, marketing, or variations in the product.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This whole "America First" and interfering foreign imports/exports is really working out great. /s

    He interferes with the economy like some communist government.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/trump-introduces-25-percent-tariff-on-export-of-chips-including-nvidia-h200-amd-mi325x-figure-could-increase-in-the-future

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I traded a 3080 for $300 off a 5070ti and a week later they stop making them.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    modern reality where only governments and massive corporations control the hardware, and hardware itself is today’s weaponry, replacing tanks and guns?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm thinking about making an EU petition on this RAM pricing chaos.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I am intensely lucky and smart to gave gotten my new computer and a 14TB HDD right before this insanity happened. I am thinking of buying another 8TB HDD just for the hell of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I feel similarly. I pretty much maxed the RAM on my DDR5 gaming/daily driving desktop before this. I wish I had also maxed the RAM on my DDR4 server, though I did acquire significant storage space and a new SSD while it was more affordable. If we see a reasonable dip in storage prices or RAM, I'm buying spare drives in the sizes I use so I can be a bit more insulated from market swings and will have spares on-site immediately if needed.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I got 64gb of DDR5 ram. I got my computer from Dell and maxed out all what was available on their option. I have zero regrets.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    jensen needs a new shiny jacket though.

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