Shaming people into having kids works so well
They rush to have children who are then cherished and not resented
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Shaming people into having kids works so well
They rush to have children who are then cherished and not resented
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Fight fire with fire. Time for the Chinese Kids to start spamming their parents with AI-gen'd videos of Men and Women regretting getting married.
What ghouls. Let people live the lives they want.
Parents (not being able to tell the videos are AI-generated): "See this? This will be you in 30 years if you don't get married and have kids very soon!"
Kids (able to see the videos are visit AI-generated): "Suuuuure!"
Nice to know the ungodly toxic, overbearing and boundryless parent is a universal phenomenon.
My parents and extended family: "why don't you find a nice girl to [blah blah blah]"
Me: "haha yes I'll get right on that"
Me: having mega gay sex in addition to actively not wanting children, even if I was medically a good candidate to father them
Parents/extended: "I just don't understand"
Me: upgrades to ultra mega gay sex
Out of curiosity, what is the second level upgrade or evolution?
asking for a friend
Ultra Mega Gay Sex Pro Max FE Special Edition+
I imagine that Xi probably doesn't care all that much whether you're having mega gay sex, but I expect that he is very interested in whether you are also employing that dingus in ways more-conducive to sustaining future state output.
Childless, child free.
This is such an important distinction, tbh
They're each trying to put their own spin on it, there is no actual distinction in the words, just in the subtext/implication.
The former implies it's a lacking of a necessary thing, the latter implies it's the avoidance of an unnecessary burden. It's completely subjective whether a child is one or the other to someone.
It's a broadcast of one's own biases to consider either of these terms more 'valid' than the other.
At the very least, if you're trying to persuade to have kids, people who have chosen to not have kids, those people are not childless, they are child free. Their will is to be without child. They are not failing at having kids, they are succeeding at not having them.
I also always note how these discussions seem to utterly forget about the ability to raise kids communally, it's perfectly possible to just want to raise kids part time, e.g. by having a friend or sibling's kids over for the weekends so their parents get some time to themselves.
I am dubious of your intermediate and final claims. For something to be necessary, it means that one cannot go without it. Is procreation a biological imperative, with strong positive reinforcement from the individual's biological feedbacks? Sure. But is it necessary? Strictly, no.
I don't think you can make the claim that someone saying it is not necessary is inherently biased. To claim that procreation is not strictly necessary is a neutral, objectively true position. The bias in the perspective of "child-free" is the implied framing of the lack of procreation as a personal or moral good. Procreation is, again, unnecessary, and is (in many ways literally) a burden. Whether one frames that unnecessary burden as positive or negative is at issue here.
I don't appreciate the claim that people must be biased in order to observe simple facts, denuded of emotion.
Maybe work on fixing that 16% youth unemployment rate, think that'll work a lot better then showing them slop
I would lose so much respect for my parents if they used an AI generated video to try and convince me of something.
Would you respect your parents more of they paid actors and a cameraman to create the video instead?
Why pay though?
Why do people pay for anything? So they don't have to make it themselves.
It's AI generated, it takes two seconds
Most people don't realize how easy it is. Then it's also hardware intensive to do locally. So, they end up going to some service online that does it and they charge.
Why would anyone in their right mind bring a child into this chaos right now? Humans probably need a good ole fashioned hard reset. First we need to fix oil dependency and the climate. That's a start.
Worst than going to the hospital alone and spending old age alone is doing that after doing all the work of having kids. I will be alone and I'm taking care of that but I know people relying on children that don't give a fuck about them.
How is life in China actually? There must be a reason people don't want children. I imagine work culture, bad pay, bad prospects, and inability to secure housing are top among the reasons.
Not that I am disagreeing with your assessment, but I think low child brith rate is pretty universal in developed country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate
Yes, education is a big factor in reduced birth rate, but I doubt it's the biggest factor. If educated people lived in societies with good conditions for raising and bearing children, I imagine they would make the informed decision to get children.
NYT put out a video 3 weeks ago covering a few guys that couldn't get women. The video says there's 30 million more men than women in the country due to the one child policy.
But that figure could be inflated
I've seen a documentary (i think it was on Arte) with similar numbers. It was about a guy founding an organisation to search for kidnapped city women sold as wifes in the countryside. His own wife was kidnapped and sold... the police never found her (like many others) so he took it in his own hands.
There must be a reason people don’t want children.
Yeah, kids cry and shit a lot. You don't need a reason not to want them, you need a reason to have them.
They also take up all your goddamn time with storytime and cuddles and teaching them how to ride a bike or type their name out on a keyboard or playing lego or making crafts or going on adventures or eating cheese
And doctor appointments, and driving them to school and from school and standing next to them watching them stand there not doing anything just in case the fall down and hit their head on the floor and cooking 3 different breakfasts for them because they changed their mind 3 times and so on and so on. Yeah, it's very rewarding for some, not that appealing for others.
None of those reasons are why I decided not to have children. My reason is: my wife and I like to play computer 8 hours per day when we got home from work.
I believe China has too much housing right now. But the rest seems to be reason enough.
If you're a wealthy non-political anybody it's great.
Edit: Apparently my sarcasm wasn't detectable. Have a /s.
Don’t get carried away. The reason is the opposite of what you think.
Their birth rates dropped dramatically because they raised so many people out of poverty with socialism. But now capitalism demands that they generate more workers.
Pretty deep irony, because very recently they weren’t allowed to have more than one child.
You’re correct. It’s an oversimplification…but not a big one.
Cold hard predicative and replicable facts are better than “it must suck in China so they don’t want kids, bro”
It’s an oversimplification…but not a big one.
It's a massive oversimplification that seems to whitewash China's policies.
Every country that undergoes industrialisation and urbanisation has a big drop in birth rates. Same in capitalist and socialist countries, there's no essential difference in how it plays out (the tempo is different from case to case for many reasons, but the trend is the same). But China additionally made the rates plummet through govt intervention.
So you stressed and praised the part that wasn't truly crucial for the outcome (socialism), but ignored the part (one child policy) that drastically contributed to the outcome and that can't be presented as nice or intuitively desirable (regardless of whether it objectively was or wasn't a good decision). That's not simplification but selectiveness.
(Yes, it is true that many lemmings who live outside China just project their own "China sucks" logic onto the Chinese, and their approach is wrong, I agree with you on that count.)
Yes…because those things create wealth. Sounds like you agree but are trying to find an argument. We know birth rate and wealth/poverty are directly related…it’s is what it is. Once upon a time it was just understood that was the case…before everybody injected personal politics into everything.
For the purposes of my comment I’m ambivalent about the political “vehicle”…I’m just plainly stating what happened: social policy raised billions out of poverty….then the capitalist elements of the society demanded labour. We know it’s not the other way around. If you think I’m assigning value to either capitalism or socialism, you’re projecting.
Meh…what, in your headcanon, am I “selecting” for? I don’t even know if you got “offended” about socialism or capitalism, I don’t want to debate something I didn’t say.
china's long history of controlling their citizens’ prisoners’ reproduction
it's such a shame there's no way to get a child when you're single, wouldn't it be great if you could, like.. "adopt" a child to care for?
Seems more likely to cause some suicides.
"Oh, if only I had children I wouldn't be able to afford this hospital visit and could've cried in squalor, knowing I contributed something other than minor economic output!"
Shitty gov telling everyone to have slaves so they can get more workers. Selfish fucks.
If the governmrnts dont want to put in the work to create a society that works for the workers? (the very fucking workers who ensure that things run smoothly in those societies…)
Then the workers have EVERY right to not produce more workers
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