Fake videos show frustrated, unmarried, childless middle-aged women crying and venting in hospital hallways about their life choices.

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[–] 164 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Shaming people into having kids works so well

They rush to have children who are then cherished and not resented

/s

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  • [–] 55 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The one child policy really gonna be up there with killing all the sparrows long term...

    It was in place 45 years and only gone a decade.

    You can't just flip a cultural switch and expect them to become bunnies overnight. And that's not even getting into the economic part.

    Kids are fucking expensive.

    When workers aren't paid well, people stop having kids. That shrinks labor supply in a generation, workers can command enough pay to have kids, and population will stabilize.

    The wealthy hate populations dropping, because they have the luxury to plan ahead and know eventually it leads to more powerful workers.

    It's why it's a constant boogeyman and reproduction has been prioritized thru virtually all of recorded human history.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The one child policy really gonna be up there with killing all the sparrows long term...

    Except that killing the sparrows was a bad idea.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Getting rid of pests was the problem, and it was a real one...

    Killing all the sparrows was a legitimate attempt to help that backfired.

    Overpopulation was and still is a problem.

    One child would have theoretically been managed, but ignored how people act individually and the desire to have a son. An honest and legitimate attempt to mitigate a real problem backfired.

    I feel it's an apt comparison, even if I didn't explain enough at first

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah… the difference is that one (sparrows) was just a bad idea due to a total misunderstanding of the problem. The sparrows weren’t the pests, the bugs they eat were.

    The other (one child) is a good idea that was poorly managed due to unexpected cultural mores. Even so it would still be effective once people are “incentivized” to give up on the foolishness of prioritizing one sex over the other.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Fight fire with fire. Time for the Chinese Kids to start spamming their parents with AI-gen'd videos of Men and Women regretting getting married.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    What ghouls. Let people live the lives they want.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Parents (not being able to tell the videos are AI-generated): "See this? This will be you in 30 years if you don't get married and have kids very soon!"

    Kids (able to see the videos are visit AI-generated): "Suuuuure!"

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago

    Nice to know the ungodly toxic, overbearing and boundryless parent is a universal phenomenon.

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  • [–] 130 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    My parents and extended family: "why don't you find a nice girl to [blah blah blah]"

    Me: "haha yes I'll get right on that"

    Me: having mega gay sex in addition to actively not wanting children, even if I was medically a good candidate to father them

    Parents/extended: "I just don't understand"

    Me: upgrades to ultra mega gay sex

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Out of curiosity, what is the second level upgrade or evolution?

    asking for a friend

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    I imagine that Xi probably doesn't care all that much whether you're having mega gay sex, but I expect that he is very interested in whether you are also employing that dingus in ways more-conducive to sustaining future state output.

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    [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Humanity priced itself out of the market.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This is such an important distinction, tbh

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    They're each trying to put their own spin on it, there is no actual distinction in the words, just in the subtext/implication.

    The former implies it's a lacking of a necessary thing, the latter implies it's the avoidance of an unnecessary burden. It's completely subjective whether a child is one or the other to someone.

    It's a broadcast of one's own biases to consider either of these terms more 'valid' than the other.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    At the very least, if you're trying to persuade to have kids, people who have chosen to not have kids, those people are not childless, they are child free. Their will is to be without child. They are not failing at having kids, they are succeeding at not having them.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I also always note how these discussions seem to utterly forget about the ability to raise kids communally, it's perfectly possible to just want to raise kids part time, e.g. by having a friend or sibling's kids over for the weekends so their parents get some time to themselves.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago*

    I am dubious of your intermediate and final claims. For something to be necessary, it means that one cannot go without it. Is procreation a biological imperative, with strong positive reinforcement from the individual's biological feedbacks? Sure. But is it necessary? Strictly, no.

    I don't think you can make the claim that someone saying it is not necessary is inherently biased. To claim that procreation is not strictly necessary is a neutral, objectively true position. The bias in the perspective of "child-free" is the implied framing of the lack of procreation as a personal or moral good. Procreation is, again, unnecessary, and is (in many ways literally) a burden. Whether one frames that unnecessary burden as positive or negative is at issue here.

    I don't appreciate the claim that people must be biased in order to observe simple facts, denuded of emotion.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    AI is a shit show.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Maybe work on fixing that 16% youth unemployment rate, think that'll work a lot better then showing them slop

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Absolutely unhinged lol

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I would lose so much respect for my parents if they used an AI generated video to try and convince me of something.

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    Why do people pay for anything? So they don't have to make it themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's AI generated, it takes two seconds

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Why would anyone in their right mind bring a child into this chaos right now? Humans probably need a good ole fashioned hard reset. First we need to fix oil dependency and the climate. That's a start.

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Worst than going to the hospital alone and spending old age alone is doing that after doing all the work of having kids. I will be alone and I'm taking care of that but I know people relying on children that don't give a fuck about them.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Have a feeling this will backfire simply because comedy

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    How is life in China actually? There must be a reason people don't want children. I imagine work culture, bad pay, bad prospects, and inability to secure housing are top among the reasons.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Not that I am disagreeing with your assessment, but I think low child brith rate is pretty universal in developed country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, education is a big factor in reduced birth rate, but I doubt it's the biggest factor. If educated people lived in societies with good conditions for raising and bearing children, I imagine they would make the informed decision to get children.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It would take more than financial incentives I suspect. It's the time cost that is so demanding and it would likely require a restructuring of society that either results in people working much less hours, or a more community-based child rearing approach.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    NYT put out a video 3 weeks ago covering a few guys that couldn't get women. The video says there's 30 million more men than women in the country due to the one child policy.

    But that figure could be inflated

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    I've seen a documentary (i think it was on Arte) with similar numbers. It was about a guy founding an organisation to search for kidnapped city women sold as wifes in the countryside. His own wife was kidnapped and sold... the police never found her (like many others) so he took it in his own hands.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    There must be a reason people don’t want children.

    Yeah, kids cry and shit a lot. You don't need a reason not to want them, you need a reason to have them.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They also take up all your goddamn time with storytime and cuddles and teaching them how to ride a bike or type their name out on a keyboard or playing lego or making crafts or going on adventures or eating cheese

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And doctor appointments, and driving them to school and from school and standing next to them watching them stand there not doing anything just in case the fall down and hit their head on the floor and cooking 3 different breakfasts for them because they changed their mind 3 times and so on and so on. Yeah, it's very rewarding for some, not that appealing for others.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Don’t get carried away. The reason is the opposite of what you think.

    Their birth rates dropped dramatically because they raised so many people out of poverty with socialism. But now capitalism demands that they generate more workers.

    Pretty deep irony, because very recently they weren’t allowed to have more than one child.

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  • [+] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    You’re correct. It’s an oversimplification…but not a big one.

    Cold hard predicative and replicable facts are better than “it must suck in China so they don’t want kids, bro”

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It’s an oversimplification…but not a big one.

    It's a massive oversimplification that seems to whitewash China's policies.

    Every country that undergoes industrialisation and urbanisation has a big drop in birth rates. Same in capitalist and socialist countries, there's no essential difference in how it plays out (the tempo is different from case to case for many reasons, but the trend is the same). But China additionally made the rates plummet through govt intervention.

    So you stressed and praised the part that wasn't truly crucial for the outcome (socialism), but ignored the part (one child policy) that drastically contributed to the outcome and that can't be presented as nice or intuitively desirable (regardless of whether it objectively was or wasn't a good decision). That's not simplification but selectiveness.

    (Yes, it is true that many lemmings who live outside China just project their own "China sucks" logic onto the Chinese, and their approach is wrong, I agree with you on that count.)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Yes…because those things create wealth. Sounds like you agree but are trying to find an argument. We know birth rate and wealth/poverty are directly related…it’s is what it is. Once upon a time it was just understood that was the case…before everybody injected personal politics into everything.

    For the purposes of my comment I’m ambivalent about the political “vehicle”…I’m just plainly stating what happened: social policy raised billions out of poverty….then the capitalist elements of the society demanded labour. We know it’s not the other way around. If you think I’m assigning value to either capitalism or socialism, you’re projecting.

    Meh…what, in your headcanon, am I “selecting” for? I don’t even know if you got “offended” about socialism or capitalism, I don’t want to debate something I didn’t say.

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    china's long history of controlling their citizens’ prisoners’ reproduction

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    it's such a shame there's no way to get a child when you're single, wouldn't it be great if you could, like.. "adopt" a child to care for?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Seems more likely to cause some suicides.

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    [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    Even in China it's boomers using AI to make boomer memes.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Just send them back a real video with feet up chillin in peace.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    "Oh, if only I had children I wouldn't be able to afford this hospital visit and could've cried in squalor, knowing I contributed something other than minor economic output!"

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Shitty gov telling everyone to have slaves so they can get more workers. Selfish fucks.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Exactly. If the governmrnts dont want to put in the work to create a society that works for the workers? (the very fucking workers who ensure that things run smoothly in those societies...)

    Then the workers have EVERY right to not produce more workers.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    If the governmrnts dont want to put in the work to create a society that works for the workers? (the very fucking workers who ensure that things run smoothly in those societies…)

    Then the workers have EVERY right to not produce more workers

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