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[–] 132 points 1 year ago (11 children)

So if it’s city owned it’s bad because any profits would go back to the city. But if it private owned it’s good because the profits go to a few rich people? I must be missing something

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In fact you could do one better - it doesn't need to make a profit, just break even, so you could either have lower prices, helping the community save money, or higher wages, helping the community spend money. But since it helps most people instead of a few people, it's bad according to capitalism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That'll cause competition with the private owned stores and force them to push down prices / raise wages until their profit margins are gone, putting them out of business.

    The only entity that will buy the defunct stores will be the state , or maybe some actual non-profits , and now the state owns all the grocery stores and communism will be achieved. Then we get bread lines, is that what you want? /s.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Even if people believe that (and I know they do 🙄) that then gives you a niche for a private business to fill. City store always busy? This private store is more expensive but you don't have to wait in line as long. People will pay that difference to save time, especially in NYC.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you're inclined to be charitable, I believe the capitalist-brained reasoning goes something like:

    These grocery stores will inevitably run at a loss and/or need to be subsidised - costing the taxpayers money - because the state couldn't possibly run them as efficiently as a private enterprise competing in the free market.

    (Not saying I agree.)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Being government-run, the store will obviously have:

    • a poor selection of products leaving you with no choice
    • ugly packaging meaning only the poors will go there
    • long waiting lists for entry
    • yearly, quarterly and monthly subscriptions, all required and renewed seperately, taking hours in a queue and three trips to the social services hq each to renew
    • quotas on all items, groups of items and time limited - whenever one is passed the rest don't matter
    • no added value like delivery or good customer service
    • no market research or innovation
    • no incentive to do better or improve service
    • an active loss of money due to bueraucratic ineficiencies

    (Likewise, also spined it (almost) as much as possible.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The reasoning is actually that a food desert means greater revenues from a larger market circle for the desert wanderers to travel so they can eat. Company gets most of the profit without offering convenient service from the captives.

    There is zero reason to run grocery stores at a loss. Competition that doesn't extort as strongly as other cartel members does screw over the cartel.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    Yes but if it‘s city owned, the profits won‘t go towards exploitation of (mostly) non-white laborers and dismantling the social system. Just think of how many humanitarian aid programs could be defunded and how much the environment could be stripped of its resources if we let the private sector maximize their profits!

    /s

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Won't that just drive business to the city-owned stores? Sounds like he's trying to help!

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    Good. And while you're at it close all your other stores, fucking parasite.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Seize his stores then. The city can run them for the people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    My 5D chess move would be:

    • Go: ok bet, you wanna shut it down? Your stores are now in immediate administration under some eminent domain law
    • In order to mitigate political backlash, make it known that they're able to sell their business to someone else, or the city, provided that the subsequent owner is bound to either run it, or sell it to the city

    Watch them get mad because you haven't technically seized it, they can still sell the business (maintaining the sacrosanct rights to private property capitalists love so much), you've just prevented them from closing it down, and everyone gets to keep their jobs :)

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If a billionaire grocer has decided it's not worth the effort to build a grocery store for a community, why would they be upset that the state fills in the gaps left by them? Be reasonable.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No matter the outcome, boycott this fucker.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh no /s

    Its always the same excuses with these mfers. Do it, we dont care. Take your family and go to africa or russia. Most of the assets however belong, rightfully so, to the society that created them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yes! Seriously if they don't like it, just go somewhere else. Go live in your bunker, I don't care just don't come back complaining about it and don't pretend like you can still own all the resources and land from down there.

    There ability to skim money from those that actually do labor doesn't seem like to matter to the farmers who need to grow food to sell it, and the people buying it will continue to do so. I don't get how these skimmers/leeches think they are the beginning and end of all social contracts.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Lol.

    Capitalist leech says he'll willingly lose capital.

    Liiiiiiiiiiar.

    The dollar is holy to these freaks. They won't jeopardize a single one.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Call his fucking bluff. The only way anything would close is if it isn't profitable (enough). And if they can't turn a profit, well then they need to be better at business! (/s).

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I like that lil commie ghost, where can I get stickers?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    It sounds like a great plan, this way there will be plenty of nice store locations available for these state own groceries store.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Didn't starbucks do something like this where they just shut a store down the moment it got unionized?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Probably, it's super common as a union busting tactic. Because once labor is organized you can't really put that cat back in the bag.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Close it and let the city run it.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago*

    Gettin pretty real sick of the class war waged by billionaires against the rest of us. Every one of those wackos on cable news reactionary outlets who went REEEEEEEEEEEEE over the results need to be hunted down like the rabid feral pigs they are.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Gristedes is an expensive yuppie supermarket chain like Whole Foods, in some rich areas. I don't think they have to worry about some city-run stores in underserved neighborhoods. It's just pouting.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    Bullshit, billionaires are too greedy and morally bankrupt to leave exploited money on the table.

    They won't close the highest producing stores and effectively kill a revenue stream out of conviction in something that isn't money, because if they had any beliefs or values above "gimme gimme gimme moar moar moar" they wouldn't be billionaires.

    It's not a matter of not needing it, no shit, they have a socially encouraged mental illness.

    It would be better for the new socialist stores if they did vacate the market, but they won't. They'll even pull a Walmart and try to do some loss leaders to convince idiots that der free merket menes lower prices for as long as they can stomach it until they find a vector to make the state stores illegal and Jack those prices back up forever.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I mean, sure, that's very funny, but please don't help feed the right-wing lie falsely equating democratic socialism with communism.

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  • [+] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    socialism and communism can be any form of government you want because they are economic styles

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    which form of government isn't compatible with which form of economy? I guess a communist anarchy would be pretty hard, but not impossible. totalitarian free-market capitalism, not as hard. I'm not saying some don't work better together.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I think it's a bit confusing, but in my view almost all socialists (including democratic socialists) are communists since the end goal they are trying to achieve is communism. Socialism (which can be described as welfare state, majority-publicly owned capital, and planned or market-socialist economy) is almost always seen as a stepping stone towards communism (stateless, classless, moneyless society), even though it is would also be an improvement on its own.

    (to confuse matters even further, Lenin's party was initially called Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party, even though today's understanding of social-democracy would only apply to the Menshevik wing).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Was tempted to troll lemmygrad with this classic meme: https://lefty.pictures/post/view/15726

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Great, now do Amazon.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do it. Someone will fill the gap in the market.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Welcome cheap and wholesome cooperative

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Instead of closing them, accept NYC offer of 5cents on the dollar to take over their lease. Everyone gets what they want.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    oh no but think of the shareholders?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    socialist candidate

    looks inside

    another socdem

    Think the billionaire is safe, even more so considering the proposed pro-business policies by the candidate

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Socialism != Communism

    Socialism advocates for collective or government ownership of key industries to reduce inequality, while communism seeks a classless, stateless society with communal ownership of all property.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think this is way too narrow. Following Marx? For sure, you're right.. but if you look at "Liberalism" - which can span anything from "taxes and government are literal hell" to "we support LGBT rights" - and "Conservatism" - which can span anything from Angela Merkel to Trump to follow-my-millenia-old-book-by-the-letter-or-I-will-murder-you - the word "Socialism" in the modern age can definitely contain nuances as well. For instance the main centre-left party in Denmark is called the "Social Democrats" then right to the left of it you have the "Socialist People's Party" - which is far less revolutionary than it sounds - and then you have a few other parties, including one identifying as "Communist" but which doesn't even really fight for any kind of revolution or the total elimination of class but recognises the requirement for collaboration and compromising when in power.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Kinda? Socialism was initially described as a transitionary stage of Communism in the same way as totalitarian violent revolution was described as a transitionary stage of Communism. This view also contained the belief that Capitalism is simply a transitionary stage of Fascism. A mixed market economy then with Socialism and Capitalism then describes an economy that is in a superposition of transitioning to both Communism and Fascism. In reality the transitionary times if you call them that are just as validly real times that people live in and regimes change and come and go and we must strive to fight for justice, equity and self determination while preventing too much power from falling into the hands of too few now and try to find the best system for now rather than acting as though everything is an inevitable slope to one extreme destination and that nothing else matters.

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I wildly disagree with the premise that the principle difference between european style socialism and the socialism practiced in china or NK or the USSR is whether the state or private ownership has the steering wheel. The difference is how dispersed and shared the power structure is between groups with differing ideas. Concentration of power inevitably leads to corruption and further concentration of power and unfettered private ownership is an incredibly efficient way for power to concentrate. Capitalism is a very powerful tool to create an oligarchy and if private ownership is allowed it will at least WANT to create an oligarchy given enough time. However, a one party system also WANTS to create an oligarchy, even if the one party ostensibly represents the people. The modern socialist movement contains many, many people who have little to no interest or belief in seeing pure communism happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    We are going to have to agree to disagree on the modern common definitions of things then. If socialism means only be definition a transitionary stage to communism then there is no meaning in people saying they are a socialist vs a communist, but clearly many people identify as socialist but not communist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We are going to have to agree to disagree on the modern common definitions of things then.

    That sounds like you being mindlessly stubborn.

    but clearly many people identify as socialist but not communist.

    Those people are usually welfare capitalists.

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