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[–] 105 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

I like this better.

The threaded conversations allow a useful interesting discussion to continue, even after some random person's comment derails half the participants.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah. The way forums threaded made things impossible to follow.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    impossible

    Me, following several forums and the topics within: uh

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Like, a forum, at least in the default view, is like a waterfall of conversation. This is because every topic is single threaded.

    When you have subconversations and quotes that form, the entire conversation history gets bumped along with the reply. It ends up being like... an avalanche of text.

    Threading, like we have here, means I don't get barraged by a wall of text if we have a long conversation. Its nested and makes coherent sense, and doesn't overwhelm.

    Its a major improvement.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I'd counter that point though, and say 'then you should be/stay on topic' and not forking the discussion into other topics. It's certainly not difficult to create a new topic about a related discussion, and if it interests the original posters then yay, they might join in, but either way you aren't cluttering up the original discussion.

    I see forums as more... professional? Whereas layouts like we have here are much more 'lol memes'. The two types serve two different users.

    I spent a good chunk of my teen years on forums and it was definitely a direct, 'here is A Thing and I want to discuss A Thing' conversations. Lemmy/reddit comments are like 'I have this one thought of a kinda-tangible idea for A Thing 2' and it's just... It's not 'bad', but it's most definitely scatterbrain thoughts, just shared for other wandering thoughts to collide. Scribbled brainstorming vs careful planning, I guess? I dunno.

    Maybe I'm just old. Blah.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, if you want to chat off-topic take it to AIM.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    If youre reading from the top though, you have all the references of what people would be responding to (especially with quotes), and youre reading in order of reply.

    I still prefer threaded conversations, but I can recognize the appeal of single thread conversations.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The image board style works well for forums, ala 4chan, but the issue with some of those is mainly the lack of any moderation. I feel like there could be a Fediverse version of image board forums that work really well.

    Namely, they should not have anonymous posting/commenting and should have active moderation.

    Imo, image boards were pretty peak for memes and generating original content, when there was any semblance of moderation.

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  • [–] 74 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    Like others I also appreciate threaded comments here.

    But for many niches - forums still abound. I regularly participate in four for specific interests.

    On the flip side I loathe the attempt to replace forums not with Lemmy/reddit-like tools but with Discord.

    Ugh.

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago

    Ugh indeed! Discord is an information black hole, where information enters never to be found again by search engines or even its members

    I can understand replacing IRC with Discord, but using Discord as a forum is madness

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I cannot fathom the popularity of Discord. It's IRC with rich media support - what good is that as a replacement for non-ephemeral communities?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    It certainly scales like shit, but Discord has a very smooth text chat/video sharing features that work extremely well for smaller numbers of people. Like for me and a dozen friends it is the perfect social space, but anything bigger than that and I bounce off hard.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's incredibly simple. No one has to host a server, and it works well enough for everything you might try to use it for. Try to get someone to use something different, like teamspeak, mumble, ventrilo, or the copycats akin to matrix, and you will get endless bitching about some little thing that doesn't get done (usually screen sharing).

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ease of use and screen sharing. It's incredibly easy to share your screen with others in the call/room which I haven't seen replicated to the same quality elsewhere.

    I have a lot of other issues with discord though, I strongly dislike that people have started to use it as a replacement for traditional forums

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It was the forum replacement thing that baffles me.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago

    The other day i necrod a nearly 3 year old forumthread with some new information. A few hours later the person from 3 years ago came back and thanked me because the new information helped them. Sometimes nercomancy is good :)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I am split on this.

    If you allow it, then you get eevblog sort of posts where there are 1000+ comments over 5 years in 50 pages that switch topics so regularly that every 2-5 pages should be entirely seperate posts and reading them because of wanting to find information on the title topic is completely useless.

    On the other hand, sometimes an issue will become stale and someone will comment with an update or solution to a problem and get chastised for "necroing" and sometimes their comment with a solution deleted.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm confused, this post shows as just 20hrs old for me?

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Everyone here saying they still exist.

    That’s not the point.

    The variety and quantity have all been replaced by spaces like Facebook, Youtube, Discord, and Reddit. Heck, I used to help run two gaming phpBB forums and participate in several others. They’re all gone or the groups have moved to Discord or whatever. PhpBB forums were usually run by private individuals, modded by those with shared interest, and subsisted on donations to run if the owner didn’t just pay for it out of pocket. It was still a little bit of the “old internet” where anyone could create their own slice of it for next to nothing.

    I miss them because is was a concentration of each niche and there usually wasn’t much competition. No competition for “likes” or whatever. More of a conversation. If you were into something like old tractor restoration (this one still exists as a forum), you could find a wealth of knowledge in text and photo form, videos, if any, are short and generally to the point without deliberate monetization. I absolutely cannot stand YT as a “information” source because of the constant fluff generation to extend the video for adspace and groveling for subscribers. But that’s a whole different rant.

    Anyway, yeah…some forums do still exist. Thankfully they’re generally pretty good at what they do. The others have vanished or moved to corporate social media platforms.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, forums exist but they have a real hard time growing their userbase these days. It's just more deliberate to visit a particular forum's website, then usually click on a subforum, then look at a thread, and then see its contents. Then you might be on page 37 of a thread and people are all discussing that post from page 33. It's slow compared to something like Reddit/Lemmy or Xitter style sites that put the content right in your face without having to look around.

    I'm prone to falling for this myself even as I lament forums growing quiet. But I guess the best thing to do is link directly to forum threads from other social media and hope enough users trickle in.

    What I REALLY hate is Discord servers replacing forums for things like video game FAQs and it's really hard to find the latest announcement, bug workaround, or whatever without butting into the conversation and asking (you're the 48th person to ask today and people are a little annoyed).

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Discord’s format 100% absolutely sucks. It’s like they took one look at how forums normally work and decided to do the exact opposite and mix it with IRC to boot. I almost never use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I'm just confused by the notion that discord could replace forums. To me it's always been a messaging service first and foremost. You can have something resembling a forum discussion on some servers, but that's really just allowing users on a specific server to make a channel with a specific subject for live discussion to happen at, it just happens that since it's so niche that people leave messages and come back to it later forum style.

    And that's not even to mention how discord's search functionality is garbage, or how anything on a discord server is basically non-existent to search engines.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Everyone here saying they still exist.

    That’s not the point.

    :-/

    It kinda is, though. "I'm here, rather than over there, because I'd rather product content complaining about a lack of a thing than adding to the content of the thing I say I wish I had".

    I miss them because is was a concentration of each niche and there usually wasn’t much competition. No competition for “likes” or whatever.

    I think its easy to mis-remember the past. But the idea that people on forums weren't competing for attention, or that whole communities weren't competing for degrees of participation, is a product of nostalgia. Jump over to 4chan - a very Old Internet relic - if you don't believe me.

    The thing you remember was the fun you had in your younger days doing a thing you were passionate about. And the thing you hate about Social Media is largely the absence of fun.

    I'll tell you what was good about the old school forums. Once you got up the right combination of browser add-ons, there were no ads. I go on Instagram now and I'm getting 2-3 ads for any given real post. I'm getting a flood of click-bait "Suggested For You" content I didn't subscribe to or ask for. I'm getting pop-ins and notices and updates and reminders shoved on me. That's what fucking sucks in Web 2.0/3.0 Just a deluge of corporate shit raining on you at every interaction.

    But this dogged insistence that the newer model of forum organization - the Reddit or Wikipedia content ranking formula, rather than the traditional Groups organized by Last Update - is somehow ruining the internet... I just don't see it. What I see with the newer model is more images and videos, which would have sunk an old school dial-up powered forum 30 years ago.

    And I think what old-heads are really asking for is a community that doesn't use thumbnails/images/videos in the feed. And I'm sympathetic to that. I'm just not nostalgic for fucking WoW forums or SomethingAwful posters or 90s-era content rings. Just like with the modern internet, that era was choked with shitty posters, bot posters, and endless scams. Those things just weren't memorable in the same way as the fun stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    When someone says “I miss the old forums” I think they probably know they still exist and are lamenting the lack of the ubiquity of them and not a total disappearance.

    As for the rest, yeah. The internet has always been that way. Shitty mods, trolls, whatever.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yeah, threaded conversations based on replying to comments and sorted by a recency/popularity algo are less usable, in some ways. But the forum format of sorting everything by most recent reply and only being able to append to the end of a conversation has it's own issues. So I don't think one is worse than the other, it's more like the difference between how threading and replies work on email vs. IM, they each have their uses and their drawbacks.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I prefer and always have preferred a vote system like we have here. Forums made paralel conversations impossible to follow, gave a bigger voice to trolls and made finding information in big threads difficult. I absolutely hated the common answer to a question being "search the forum". I already have Jared, the search function is trash and the information is scattered and outdated.

    What aspect I do miss is the fact that threads stayed relevant for more than 24hrs. I think a combination of the two systems would work for a forum 2.0, where ranking is based on activity and votes, so a post gets pushed back up in ranking if it's still active and relevant, instead of just taking raw votes and age in considerarion, but also the comments within are grouped in conversations based on who replied to who and can move up and down based on activity and age.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly, threads that get new activity should be bumped. Maybe they don't need to be super-visible for people who ignored the thread in the first place, but they could at least go to the top-50 posts.

    I think it would be cool if conversations that link to the same URL are all automatically grouped, so that reposts just become bumps with a new context/title.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Except vote systems are abused to hell. Dissenting opinions are down voted into oblivion and we end up with the echo chamber.

    I spent a lot of time on the ebaumsworld forums in the early 2000s, and it was your classic shitshow. Not a huge amount of traffic, though, so you could have conversations, but you'd leave, and come back the next day, and sometimes you'd have pages of nonsense to read through.

    Then, they introduced rep, and it was such a shitshow. Users conspired together to abuse it, because that's how it goes, except now, instead of late night Skype sessions, it's bots, and marketing, and PR.

    I guess the problem was and always is, when there's too many people, it ruins things.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I guess the problem was and always is, when there’s too many people, it ruins things.

    This is the thing when people talk about the Fediverse's traffic compared to Reddit. To me it's very much a feature. I don't think trying to get everyone and their dog on the same platform is a particularly good idea!

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    Forums were cool. They often had their own culture and in-jokes. People would become well-known on the forum. There's a couple names I recognize on here, but it's mostly transient. (On the other hand, I've probably had a vicious argument with someone and then a nice chat with them later, without realizing it was the same person).

    Most internet users seem bland, and just congeal onto youtube, discord, twitch, and other nightmares.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Unrelated but does anyone know how to fix my gpu drivers?

    Never responds again

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    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I miss forum signatures. The best you can usually get these days is a tiny little piece of flair. It would be fun if Lemmy or something supported forum signatures, though I suppose the moderation for that could be annoying.

    I just really liked that level of expression.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Couldn't agree more. I don't miss getting information from forums. A voting system for posts and comments makes it easier to filter out the bullshit and get straight to the answers. It also encourages people to make more helpful replies so that they get upvoted. Definitely don't miss the days of going through pages and pages of dumb, pointless replies, just to get to the one comment with the helpful response.

    What I miss is the same thing you do: the fun part of forums. The signatures, avatars, ranks and titles. The sense of community, because everyone knows each other and they all post regularly. You don't get the same sense of community on a social media platform like Lemmy. Just strangers sharing their opinions and nobody remembers anyone.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I used to mod for a forum. I would not do that again.

    Also, isn't this interface just forum+?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    I always hated the UX of forums. It was incredibly difficult to follow long threads with loads of pages. Personally I prefer the format we have here on Lemmy where comments are nested off the main post.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The absolute pain of opening an old forum thread with an exact solution/guide and all of the images are long gone.

    Of course asking for the same solution on reddit will get you a 300 long chain of useless comments.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, for one particular reason: I've always favored longer, slower posting - structured responses to earlier posts with multiple paragraphs to propose a point, explain, and support it. Including the ability to quote / link back to multiple different posts in a thread if needed. The... for lack of a better way to put it, "Reddit-esque" style of branched comments to a post (which includes Lemmy) is nice because it allows multiple parallel discussions rather than one dominating one, but it also seems to discourage longer, more in-depth responses. It also means that interesting ongoing discussions which I'd love to get into can get buried down later in the comments.

    Like OP, I recognize that there's nothing actually stopping me from doing this on Lemmy. There's chat and sort-by-new, and of course I can link as many other comments as I want. But the overwhelming trend is towards shorter, snappier answers before you move on to the next comment chain or post; discussions rarely last more than a few hours, whereas forum threads used to be able to keep them going for days.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, this format is quicker. It's quick responses to quick topics, and you don't get the in depth ongoing conversations. Back in the day you used to get really interesting, ongoing debates, I've not seen one of those ONCE in this format.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    While I miss forums and "old internet" in general, reddit-style threads is a zillion times better.

    I think what people actually miss is pre-corporate, pre-botted internet, where everything felt more real, personal, and insightful.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I miss the individuality of the old internet. Websites, communities, and users being themselves.

    ShitNugget9000 on one forum might be SirReginald79 on another.

    Policies set for the community, not the leaseholder.

    The internet controlled by a hegemony sucks.

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    [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That forum structure worked for nice forums with like a hundred active users, it doesn't work when it's tens of thousands of people. I mean I miss old time BBS forums, for what it's worth, but the "reddit style" system is much better in my opinion.

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    [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I miss the annonimity of them, and the lack of robots crawling them

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I feel like forums sucked too because of the lack of sorting.

    They just don't scale well to many users. Once you hit a certain number of users, without some method to sort, its just information overload.

    Hell, forum threads that are too long inevitably go completely off the rails and become off topic troves.

    I think there has to be a better intermediate format, like perhaps a mix of systems, but I think the main thing that makes reddit-likes suck, is their systems of governance.

    Something I realized very quickly with lemmy for instance, is that its the not at all benevolent dictator positions that are the big problem. The main incentives for people choosing to spend their time in mod positions still remains to impose their will, whether that be their opinion or power over others speech.

    There is something at its core which is wrong with this system at scale. It allows for mods to collect up critical masses of people before then knowing that due to that critical mass they have captive audiences where there is high friction to leave or start something else.

    Lemmy has a very bandaid "solution" for this in that there can be multiple of any given community/subreddit, but they all suffer from the fact that whatever a moderator wants is what happens, and even in the worst case scenarios, that is just moved up one layer to admins, who are incentived to appear as hands off as possible on moderators, lest they get turned on by the people who "help" them.

    Reddit sucks because of a lot of other profit driven reasons, but I think this is the main structural problem and lemmy shares in this.

    Forums have this problem too by the way, but its just that forums are so separate and so bad at handling massive amounts of casual users, that they run into this far less.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    I miss the community. I was a member of a community forum for about 18 years. You knew everyone and it was generally nice.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    I definitely miss being able to search the internet for helpful forum posts. The fact that most things are on discord now and not internet searchable is extremely annoying and only going to get worse.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I miss them so badly

    This is such a disappointing alternative

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    They’re still alive and kicking.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They still exist, they're just kind of rare. There's even federated forums like NodeBB. I actively read stuff on SpaceBattles, Sufficient Velocity, etc. It's admittedly difficult to find something with absolutely no like/karma system, but for instance the hellhole known as GameFAQs still exists.

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I absolutely do. I've often dreamed of setting up a forum for my immediate friend group but I don't think the idea would get a lot of traction.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    No. I feel like reddit/lemmy is a good progression for forums, and I absolutely hate discord when used for technical stuff

    I still use some forums like xda-developers and I don't enjoy it as much a I did 10-15 years ago

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You guys are missing out on my badass image signatures.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Do we have a list of not death forums in 2025, I have been eyeing the following (Spanish forums) and even logged in again!

    Emudesc.com Elotrolado.net Forosdz.club

    As I only frequented forums as a kid and I didn't know the English language back then, Spanish forums is the only sweet memory that I have, but now I can be part of English forums too, the sad part is they are no longer mainstream 😅

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    There's a big Italian eMule piracy forum, I don't know if it's a good idea to link it here, but it starts with dd and ends with unlimited. It's based on old-school PhpBB.

    Speaking of piracy, another Italian forum is MIR followed by "crew", they share torrents over there.

    If you can manage the language barrier, there's a lot of good content over there (usually with double language: Italian + original).

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I like forums, but maybe I'm part of the problem. I've read a forum obsessively for years without registering an account. Even when I have an account, I rarely post/comment. I've been reading Lemmy almost daily for over a year before registering an account and don't reply much even with an account. Decentralization starts with individuals, so I'm going to try to add signal to the fediverse.

    I generally prefer the traditional flat forum UI with oldest first, but that's mostly a client issue. The problem though is if others are using a different UI the conversation may flow differently (think threaded vs flat forums).

    RE karma, a lot of forums show post counts and like counts next to their forum profile, which is often included in every reply, so in some ways, the likes (karma) was a little more in your face. I think there was less astro turfing due to scope of benefit. What I mean is that while traditional forums were decentralized, so was the account and its reputation, so karma (like/post count) farming was isolated to that specific forum/community and if you were astro turfing, you'd get banned and lose that and could not transsfer that to other forums. Services like reddit effectively make this transferrable between forums. I'm concerned about how this will play out as decentralized platforms grow. It could be worse than reddit. I've been trying to come up with ways to handle this, but I can find flaws in every idea I've had so far.

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Personally I think that this Reddit style is an upgrade design wise. And as far as recognising people goes, I'm using an app that lets you tag users (Summit) and this has gone quite a long way. It's also made the start paying attention to other usernames to an extent, so if I notice that someone often posts content that vibes with me or whatever, I can give them a ⭐ or something.

    What I do miss from the days when forums were dominant is that people stayed in their lanes a little more. A particular forum or board or even thread is for a particular topic, and people who derailed or came along just to insult and shit on everything were dealt with, without this crying about 'free speech'.

    Current day social media has spawned a bunch of people who feel entitled to say whatever they want to whoever they want in any space they want, and cry about blue haired SJWs or something if there's consequences. And they act like the internet used to be this place where forum moderators didn't rule with an iron fist, or like the 'real world' is somewhere that you can behave this way without being punched in the face.

    I just think a lot of problems could be solved if jocks went back to discussing sportsball and cars and stayed in their lanes, instead of considering themselves to be experts on biology and sociology and vaccines. There's a fine line between 'free speech' and letting the inmates run the asylum, and the last 10 years have proven that.

    Basically what I miss from the forum days is that back then, the conspiracy theorist idiots would've probably been banned, and would've stayed in the fringes of society instead of going mainstream.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Current day social media has spawned a bunch of people who feel entitled to say whatever they want to whoever they want in any space they want, and cry about blue haired SJWs or something if there’s consequences. And they act like the internet used to be this place where forum moderators didn’t rule with an iron fist, or like the ‘real world’ is somewhere that you can behave this way without being punched in the face.

    Block them. Why do you need someone or something else to do this work for you? Curate your feed. If you arent seeing what you like... thats a you problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why do you need someone or something else to do this work for you?

    Lmao way to turn that on me, good one. I'm literally talking about the people who can't just scroll past or block something without needing to act like it was forced on them. The people who campaign to cancel Netflix over 1 show out of 1000s that they could've just scrolled past. The people who live in an era where you can follow exactly what you want online, and watch and listen to exactly what you want on streaming, but still complain about having the wOkE aGeNdA shoved down their throats because they're incapable of wiping their asses (or they think it's gay).

    Trust me, I'm not the one with the problem of inserting my business everywhere that I don't belong. I'm not going anywhere near incel forums, or manosphere support groups, or to tell people how fucking stupid their hobbies are. And knowing these people, I'd get banned quickly if I did because they're the biggest pearl clutchers of all. This problem is entirely one sided and caused by certain types of people who are more emboldened than ever these days.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I hate the notion that fringe lunatics have opinions that are just as valuable as anyone else's. Push that fucking Overton Window back to somewhere sane. We do need people shutting these disruptive idiots down. The answer is not just to act like they're not there.

    Has that approach worked on any bully ever?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    you just get new topics on top and replies are sorted oldest to newest.

    you can do that here too.

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