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[–] 111 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I'm not sure about pure evil so much as sociopathic. I worked briefly in door to door sales, got taken to some high performer award celebration nonsense and was standing in one of those group circles as people were recounting war stories. "Give her the discount? Hell no. And then I realized she was too old to read what I was writing so I just added an extra year on to the contract!" Huge round of laughter, light applause.

To make it more gross... The discount was standard, we got no extra commission for having or not having it, was purely a free promotion to grease the wheels. He just didn't because, well, the old lady he'd scammed was too trusting.

I quit shortly after.

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  • [+] [S] 54 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    That's messed up!

    My rule, especially when I was working in South East Asian neighbourhoods, was something like "stop saying yes to the first dinner offer! There'll be something amazing you haven't had yet by door 5." (Those folks were crazy friendly, really blew me away and opened my eyes to a whole range of delicious foods.)

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    I guess I could tell a story about the worst person I ever met. I don't know exactly what criteria elevate someone to the level of "evil" versus just being an awful, horrid person, so I'll let readers make that judgement.

    It was 2010. I was 20 years old and needed a job. Through family networking, I was able to land a brief stint working with a distant cousin of mine who I'd never met before. Let's call him "James". I'm scheduled to work with him for about a week, traveling out of state to a small town in Virginia to do some maintenance on pools and such. Seems like a simple enough gig.

    He pulls up to my house in his pickup truck to pick me up. Keep in mind I've never met this guy before in my life. We're not 10 minutes down the road when he starts dropping every racial slur you can think of talking about Obama and minorities and such. Guy was like a thesaurus of epithets.

    Fast forward 5 or 6 hours that we've been driving. During this brief window of time I have heard this guy scream at his girlfriend over the phone about how she "better not be at the bar" or "hanging out with her friends". He has road raged at every inconsequential inconvenience, making multiple reckless, dangerous maneuvers to save virtually zero transit time. He has pinned every misfortune in his life on black people, immigrants, gays. Anyone but himself.

    After this harrowing trip, we're finally at our destination and we can get to work. To say this guy was an abusive boss would not do it justice. His preferred method of communication was yelling. He'd light up a joint and smoke it very brazenly when there were children not particularly far away from us (one of the pools we worked on was at a community center where lots of kids would play). I don't have any problem with weed, but c'mon.

    Each day when we were done with work, we'd pick out some place to eat. During this week-long stay in this small town, I witnessed multiple random acts of kindness by strangers. James had nothing but angry, hateful things to say about every single one. I saw a guy let some veterans cut in front of him in line at a Bojangles. "What a kiss-ass," James says. One day at a KFC, an elderly woman gives me and James a big bucket of chicken and biscuits because they got her order wrong and told her to keep it. "Old bitch," says James after she walks away.

    Every night after dinner he'd be at the bar getting hammered. Picking fights with other patrons and generally being a miserable pile of shit. One evening James gets up from the bar to go take a piss. A big biker guy James has been fucking with comes up to me and says, "Your friend's got a big mouth."

    "Not my friend," I reply. "He's my boss, unfortunately. But if you and your biker buddies wanna drag him out back and beat the piss out of him, you ain't gonna hear me complain." Biker guy gives a big laugh and pats me on the back in an understanding way.

    On the last day of the job, we've begun the drive back home. He sees a hotel with a pool that we're about to pass and unilaterally decides we're gonna try to fleece some hotel owner by doing some "maintenance" on the pool. He convinces this old man that the pool needs inspecting and the guy agrees to purchase our services. James fucks around for an hour doing virtually nothing to this pool and then charges the guy several hundred dollars. Brow beating and bullying him the entire time.

    And to wrap it all up, he didn't pay me what we'd negotiated. Unfortunately I wasn't good at advocating for myself at this time in my life, so I just put up with it.

    The silver lining to all this is I haven't seen or heard from him since then. He drove away and has never darkened my doorway in the 15 years since that dismal week. Good riddance.

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  • [–] 87 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I knew a guy in grad school who was a hard-core Trumper back in 2015/16 who thought I was too because we both owned guns and were white I guess.

    Anyway - I was talking to him one day about an epidemiological analysis I was leading a team on for HHS. I'm a geographer, and our group was analyzing the demographic, spatial, socioeconomic, and temporal distribution of cases of gonorrhea in a major metropolitan area.

    I explain that we're doing multivariate analysis on the demographic stuff because of all the issues caused by covariance showing "fake" correlation between gonorrhea and other variables. I explained that while the strongest indicator of gonorrhea in univariate analysis was whether or not you were black, that was actually an artifact from the fact that being black had a strong covariance with other variables like low income status, low employment rate, low education level, high population density, poor access to preventative healthcare, etc, and that when you took all the covariance into account there was no actual statistically significant correlation between gonorrhea and being black.

    He then said something that was etched into my memory:

    "It's just you and me here, [chilie]. You don't have to be all PC about thisbshit with me. We both know that just like how there's stupid breeds of dogs, there are stupid breeds of people, and it's a fucking disgrace that you can't study that honestly here."

    That racist motherfucker has a Master's degree.

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  • [+] 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It seems to me that racism is an easy thing for any human to fall into if they are not conditioned out of that from an early age by their family and by their social environment. Fear and hatred of others not like ourselves seems like it could be potentially be a "default" and may have even been an advantage early on when everyone outside your tribe was seen as an enemy. I haven't read anything about this but is just my impression. Also, you'd be surprised by how racist many countries and cultures are, especially those that are very racially homogeneous and that have less contact with people of other races.

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    [–] 40 points 11 months ago

    My older brother used to run around with a young man that was raised by racist bikers. The guy killed someone during a house robbery. And still I'm not sure that that person was irredeemably evil.

    But I've also done time in prison. And was celled up with an old man that hurt a little girl. No acknowledgement, no remorse. Smiling, outgoing. But at the time I had no idea what he had done. And I had no idea that he was a sociopath until he opened up to me about cutting crow's tongues when he was young, because he had seen a talking crow at a circus. No empathy. As 'nice' as he seemed.

    Looking back, he had that same look in his eyes that you can see in cult leaders and other sociopaths. When I watched the Nixium documentary with my partner, it was like that. A charismatic predator.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I knew a kid when I was growing up that was evil. He would talk people into doing things that were not okay, and then he would immediately turn on them and get an authority figure to get them into trouble, all while laughing and then retelling the story to anybody who would listen. He repeated this pattern throughout the entire time I knew him (many years), only escalating the entire time.

    I'm guessing he's probably caused a death or two in his life by now, either directly or indirectly.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I had a nazi say to my face that they wanted to kill me and hang me from a wall.

    I suppose that counts to be a real pos.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    To me, evil is when you know the thing you're doing is morally wrong, you have the option to do anything else (including doing nothing at all) and you do it anyway.

    I can make space for people who were trained on bad behavior.

    I can make space for people doing the best they can in bad situations.

    But I have met people who looked "normal" and could have easily not done the bad thing they were doing to someone else.

    When you call them out, some will get defensive. They still have shame.

    But the evil ones had this look like a child who knew they were getting away with something. And the something was hurting someone else.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Duper's delight. It's almost like they're surprised to find they're revelling in getting caught too. At least maybe the first time. Afterwards they might do something wrong expecting to feel that way again, and that's all kinds of messed up.

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  • [–] 89 points 11 months ago (40 children)

    My grandmother used to bait a have a hart trap to catch local cats. She would let them finish whatever morsel she tempted them with, asked if they enjoyed their last meal, and would throw the trap in the pond. She would then call my cousin to come drag the trap out of the pond and bury the cat.

    Is that evil?

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  • [+] 50 points 11 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I wouldn't say killing animals is categorically psychopathic, but killing them inhumanely certainly is.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The language of "inhumanely" has always bothered me. They aren't humans. It's an odd word.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But we are. It's about our behavior, not the subject we're acting on.

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  • [+] -27 points 11 months ago (31 children)

    This is a pretty standard method of pest control, were the cats wild pests? Or are we talking neighbours cats?

    Cats should not be allowed to freely roam the streets

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Call me a woke weakling, but I believe even in pest control, you shouldn't make another being suffer. If you have to kill something for a good reason, the fucking least you can do is make it quick. If you don't have the gender-neutral balls to do it properly, you shouldn't do it at all.

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  • [+] -29 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Indeed, drowning is a good method that doesn't accidentally kill the wrong targets and is not causing prolonged suffering like many traps that latch onto the animal. What would you use to kill pests?

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    From what I have heard, drowning sucks as a death. Just shoot them? Or decapitate? Or use anything else that takes seconds instead of minutes?

    To be fair, I have never had to heal with a cat plague, the biggest thing I've come near were rodents and fish. No idea how practical it is. But again, if one doesn't have the means for a humane killing, then don't be the one killing.

    Also, I'm pretty sure those "beartrap" style traps are illegal here, and poison traps are usually designed to allow target only one species (usually, rats, since you can't get them any other way).

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think it's pretty hard for random members of the population to successfully decapitate animals. Not everyone is able to use a gun. Drowning is quick with no probability of failure or extended suffering.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Eh, drowning is probably the biggest suffering you can create without going for extra effort. Just because it's quiet doesn't mean it's fast, I'd take being beaten to death over being drowned any day.

    Besides, as I said, if you are not able to kill something quickly, you are not qualified to kill it. People who do stuff like catch fish and then leave them to suffocate just piss me off. If you don't have the ability to at the very least bash it over the head, then get someone to do it for you.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I had a mouse problem once upon a time, and the new "humane" traps didn't actually kill them. I got tired of bludgeoning them with a shovel and drowned one, thinking it would be easier. That was brutal and horrific, and I went back to using the shovel.

    There is nothing humane about drowning an animal.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I had the same experience about the mouse problem. Long ago parents caught a mouse with a trap that won't kill them. With no better idea of what to do with it, they decided to drown it. We watched it drown slowly and painfully. They never do that again.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Have you seen animals drown? In cats specifically, I've seen children drowning a newborn kitty. But I was just a child too, it was a raining day, no adults around. It was a horrible way for an animal to die. I still remember the sounds. Didn't stop them because I was a coward. I didn't know Australians can kill their cats in such a way casually.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Not cats but I had a coworker once that put out glue traps for mice but wouldn't finish the job after they were caught. I ended up dropping a 20 pound weight from waist high on them. It was the quickest way to do it with what I had available. I spoke to him after and there were no more glue traps.

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  • [+] [S] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    This is eye-opening, in a post that talks about evil people. If it's for population control, isn't it usually Trap, Spay, Return? But then again, there are some parts of the world people can torture or causally kill cats and dogs with no legal consequences. Humans are disappointing.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Wild cats are driving our native animals to extinction

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Again, that's what capture, spay and release is for. You can control the wild cat population without resorting to putting them through a slow, extremely painful and terrifying death. Don't be a monster.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    No, that's not normal. The fuck?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I'm not agreeing with nathan from satan up above in his implication of it being fine, but it was normal in undeveloped nations (read: before cell phones or even the 'car phones'). My friend would repeat the story his father's generation did in scandinavia: kittens that you didn't want born were gathered up in a sack, which was tied, and said sack was tossed in a pond or stream. It was relatively simple, didn't require you to 'waste' a bullet, and if you walked away for a while you didn't have to deal with (in other words, see/hear/comprehend) the horror of what you just did.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Far better than leaving poisoned baits for random animals to eat that are not the intended target, or traps that cause extreme suffering in the same manner as bear traps, and doesn't require guns which are very hard to access now

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  • [+] [S] 17 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    look up Australian Cat Plague, if you want to see what happens when you truly let cats just go ham outside "because it's natural" or whatever reason most people use. they're little apex predators that kill anything they can get their claws on, if there's no native predators to control them they will dominate everything smaller than them

    you cannot save them all, no amount of adoption centers would be able to receive the inflow of cats from a proper plague of them. there entire pet industries designed towards selling these animals to people who probably can't even take care of actual human kids let alone an animal

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Maybe the commenter can tell us

    Feral cats kill an extreme amount of native wildlife here and are essentially the sole cause of extinction for many animals. You cannot rehome feral cats as pets and there's basically nowhere to take them.

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  • [+] [S] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    There's a bit of a difference between domesticated street cats and feral wild cats...

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  • [+] [S] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I wonder if he was himself sexually abused as a child, since I think I've heard that being a victim of pedophilia makes one much more likely to become a pedophile themselves.

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    [–] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I work in residential mental health and my boss is a progressive queer wiccan. I thought we'd get on great.

    But then she started using an HR mistake i told her about to falsely bill medicare, and lied about not knowing in official emails. She tried to force me to pay for a company parking ticket and acted shocked when i wouldn't.

    When a staff was punched in the head by a resident in the evening she took hours to arrive on site, told the staff they had to finish their shift before going to the hospital, then let them drive themself after a possible concussion, and tried to get staff to reclassify it as a non critical incident.

    Not truly evil, but sociopathetically dishonest in her dealings, and about who she is.

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  • [+] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    She doesn't really go on about it though.

    There's a kind of terminally online identity-yelling that's easy to spot and definitely a red flag, but she rarely talks about her personal life at work, other than mentioning samhain and yule.

    I found out who she claims to be from coworkers who use mainstream socials and stalked her.

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  • [+] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)
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    loudly talking about the anal sex with a trans person they had over the weekend.

    Oh that sounds lovely.

    If you say it was problematic in context i have to believe you, but i would happily take that over the advice a psychic gave them, obviously made up trauma dumps, or how the eastern orthodox church is the one true faith - all real examples from my current coworkers.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Someone called me evil in their suicide note once, and ever since then I've been wondering if they were right.

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    [–] 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    My parent told me of a family they knew who lived on a farm in their village. All of them were outright monsters. There were only brothers in that family. No daughters. They had barn cats and when they had kittens, they'd crush their skulls in their hands for fun. They loved torturing animals. They were pysically big and they imposed themselves on everyone and everyone was scared shitless of these dudes. One ended up in jail for killing someone early on for some banal reason, and another became a Hell's Angel motorcycle gang hitman essentially.

    In a different kind of pure evil, I've always been affraid of Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadephia. He really scares me. No joke. The character is a real psychopath. I've met a few people like this in real life. They were the rich successful types. They gave me the fucking creeps. Manipulative, controlling, always working to get what the want and always have the advantage to have power over others.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Wild. That reminds me of this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

    It's an amazing story (emphasis mine):

    Kenneth Rex McElroy (June 16, 1934 – July 10, 1981) was an American criminal and convicted attempted murderer who resided in Skidmore, Missouri. He was known as "the town bully",[3] and his unsolved killing became the focus of international attention. Over the course of his life, McElroy was accused of dozens of felonies, including assault, child molestation, statutory rape, arson, animal cruelty, hog and cattle rustling, and burglary.[4]

    In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last.[4][5] In 1981, McElroy was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of the town's 70-year-old grocer Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp.[3] McElroy was released on bond pending an appeal, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister.

    On June 30, 1981, he appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp.[3][6] The next week, McElroy was shot and killed in broad daylight as he sat with his wife Trena in his pickup truck on Skidmore's main street.[4] He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46.[3] Despite the many witnesses, nobody came forward to say who shot him. As of 2025, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death.[3]

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I don't know, psychopathic tendencies run all over the Reynolds family.

    Lack of empathy, a pattern of manipulating others, persistent antisocial behaviors (the DENNIS system, most of the gang's plans), an innate immunity to stress (like when he just willed his stress away in the 'mental health day' episode)

    Man's a psychopath

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    [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Never met what I'd describe as a truly evil person, but definitely a lot of narcissistic people whose selfishness and lack of self awareness have caused numerous instances of wondering if they were in fact just evil people.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I find these people evil (like my ex wife) because they are aware when they want something. When they don't you are nothing to them.

    However, it's not like they are clubbing baby seals or killing infants at the border. They just have opinions on life that clash with mine in a huge way. They generally don't DO anything different than I do. They go to their jobs and take care of themselves and don't hurt other people other than the occasional stupid opinion.

    As much as I think the psychology is evil their actions are totally normal.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I think it blends the line a bit the more you know someone. There are selfish things that you can do without it being narcissistic and everyone can get to a point where from the outside it looks selfish, but context changes that calculation.

    Whenever someone is selfish and throws me under the bus or asks for far more than what they give I try my best to come up with excuses for them. Usually this is the right approach and saves me from making an ass out of myself and allows me to "be there" for more people who truly need it, but sometimes I'm searching for that excuse so long or gaslight myself into thinking up a good excuse and I end up as a narcissist's host for a while.

    Personally, evil has to be clear, even when devoid of nuance or context.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    A couple of them.

    One, I met when we were both five years old, and I knew then he would end up in prison. He helped beat someone to death when he was 19 and went to prison.

    Another I met when I was a child and he was an adult. I knew he wasn't quite right, but I had no idea how bad it was. As a teenager, I had an encounter with him that almost turned violent. He later raped both his daughters and went to prison.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I see American and Canadian politicians on TV news every day (I'm Canadian by the way)

    The epitome of evil to me is in watching a group of wealthy affluent, influential people doing their absolute best day in and day out to keep their money and the money of those with way too much away from those who need it just to have a little bit of a life. They work to make us all miserable in order for them to keep having everything and to take even more from everyone else who have little or nothing.

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  • [+] [S] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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    I have sat and met with some mid level regional politicians and provincial politicians in the past. They're all the same. There is something pathological with wanting to achieve a high office and then regardless of your political affiliation (I'm socially left and I always vote and support the New Democratic Party, left of the top Liberal left party in Canada) they all act in the best interests or influence of money and monied interests. I know they have to survive politically to do anything but at the same time, they'll support monied interests even if it means the suffering of hundreds or thousands of people.

    There is something fundamentally wrong with our modern mentality and social conditioning if our world is entirely based on the accumulation of wealth against everything including human comfort or even the right to life.

    And that's not even talking about the political figures who are conservative, very conservative or ultra conservative ... they would rather dump entire segments of society if it meant it would advance their agenda.

    It's not fully evil .... but it is a lot closer to evil than anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Are Canadian politics dominated by money like American politics are? If they are, that could explain at least some of what you've noticed. In a system where money wasn't such a huge factor needed to win elections, I think we would see a lot more people who genuinely wanted to help people run for office and win. The problem when you introduce money as such a major factor to win is that unless the candidate is already independently wealthy, they will have to kowtow to wealthy people and money interests in order to win. A system like that will select for people who are willing to compromise their principles for money, even if they deep down would genuinely like to help people.

    I've thought about this occasionally, and feel that it's a tragedy that there are probably many politicians who get into it for the right reasons but at some point (maybe from the start) compromise that by justifying that they can keep helping people even if in some minor fashion if they go along with this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Which is why I look at it as a Plutocracy, a government run by money and the wealthy .... rather than a democracy, a government run by the people.

    It's democratic (which is still a stretch) during an election.

    But for the rest of the time, which is all the time, it's Plutocratic

    We like to play with definitions and we easily are critical of other nations but we never want to admit what our own systems actually represent. We are so blinded by our own status that we never consider that we don't live in a democratic system ourselves.

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    I mean yes. If youre a normal good person you want other people to succeed.

    Until it means them building low income housing directly across the street from your house. Ill admit, I am in the camp that would hate this (i dont want my shit stolen, and i want to be able to walk my dog in peace).

    Lemmy will crucify me for this but sorry its the truth. Just like bus stops (in my city) are only used by homeless and drug users and are not safe places to hang around. Thats just how it is, im not saying those people are evil or bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Not... really?

    The US probably has more people trying to get more money than other places due to cultural issues; but even as many people as do want more money, it seems rare to want others to have less.

    Speaking for myself, I just want money to make sure that food, shelter, and medical needs are taken care of for my family. Beyond that, I actually don't want more than what I have.

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    [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    My ex wife was abusive, manipulative, and just turned out to be an awful person all around. Like her whole personality changed on our wedding night and she went from being one of the kindest people I knew to fearing she would stab me in my sleep over the course of a year after knowing her for 3.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I ran into a curious individual.

    He was bullying me because I was in his way (I did not move, the goal did). As soon as I was not in his way he would try to recruit me into bullying the next person who was.

    I'd say he was a manipulative psycopath but he was so inept at what he was trying to do and calling him a psycopath would be an insult to psycopaths. He kept falling into the holes he dug for others.

    It's the only person I've felt joy when they suffered.

    Side note: what do you call a person who is manipulative, no remorse, see people as something to step on to get where they want but are incredibly bad and keep getting caught, fired, dumped because of it? Psycopaths seems to be good at what they do, he was in his 30s and bad at it.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Your perception of what a psychopath is colored by media portrayals and what notable psychopaths have done. Not all physicists are like Richard Feynman, and they're all at least reasonably smart.

    What you're describing is a psychopath who is stupid. They do stupid things because they are stupid, and they do psychopath things because they're a psychopath. They aren't going to lead the police on a chase across the country after a string of murders. If they kill someone, they'll probably be caught the very first time. The reason they will kill will be somewhat less nuanced than an intelligent psychopath's reasons, but that's the smart vs. stupid difference - they're both psychopaths. Neither will feel remorse, neither will feel any compelling need to achieve their goals by not harming someone else, and both would do it again if they felt the circumstances warranted it. One will just do it in a way where he might not get caught and the other won't think that far ahead or will do such a poor job of it that thinking ahead won't help.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    I did. A boomer guy, he must be in his late 70s, early 80s now. He owned a construction company that killed 20 people in the 1999 earthquakes in Turkey, including distant members of his extended family. The guy did shoddy construction work, did not use proper concrete and dressed up a damaged building to look ok. The result was 20 dead lives when the building came down on November 12, 1999. (the building was damaged in the first quake in august and collapsed in the second one in november) The name is Hamza Cebeci, and a quick internet search today shows that his family business is still in the construction business.

    I met the guy almost 10 year after the earthquake (and almost 15 years ago from today) at an event where he spoke. From outside you would not guess that he has the blood of 20 people on his hands. It was the purest example of the 'Banality of Evil' that I have ever seen. I'm orginally from the same small town (Düzce) where all this happened and knew the story well.

    News article from those days: https://postimg.cc/HctXCVFT

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    yep, a guy with a history in law enforcement, had a job where he investigated claims of misconduct of employees, he seemed to use that to serially sexually prey on the people who he ended up investigating

    can't be more specific for legal reasons unfortunately

    not sure he was inherently evil per se, but what he did I would consider evil

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