Why spend the money? Just wait for a leak on the War Thunder forums.

I have an idea how Gripens could help with that.

We already have 12. The question is whether we take shipment of the rest.

That does further complicate things, because the RCAF won't want to operate two different platforms. If we don't bother taking the rest of the order then those twelve jets, fully paid for, basically sit in a junkyard somewhere. Or, as you say, get dissected or used for training. Not a total waste, but definitely something the Conservatives will gleefully point to as an example of mismanagement.

Sure which law?

It's a huge problem. There is no other fifth gen option available to NATO. The Gripen is one of the best choices out there, and it does have a lot of stealth and EWAR capabilities that other fighters lack, as well as really impressive radar, but that's not the same thing as the kind of stealth that the F-35 and F-22 have.

On the other hand, I can absolutely see how the F-35 now presents an unacceptable security risk.

The good news is that Russia has nothing even close to the F-35, and its honestly unlikely that most of their stuff can even stand up to the Gripen. Their purported fifth gen fighter just isn't. It has a radar cross section over a thousand times larger than that of any US fifth gen, that's according to Russia's bullshit propaganda numbers. And they've only made about 6 of those. The rest of their fleet is slightly upgraded cold war surplus, maybe at the level of the F-16 if you're being really generous, and the Gripen wipes the floor with the F-16 in combat testing (Gripen pilots shoot down F-16s at a ten to one ratio IIRC).

If we assume that Russia is the main threat, then the Gripen will serve very well for now (at least for Canada, with no need for a carrier launch capability) until we can get a sixth gen fighter; Europe has two such projects in the works. If we assume the main threat is the US, then the F-35 would still be a bad idea, since even putting aside any issues with supply of firmware, they would know its capabilities and weaknesses intimately. China is the wildcard and we just don't know what the capabilities of their craft are. OTOH its extremely unlikely that there would be a conflict with China that didn't involve the US as the primary combatant, so I think that's less of a concern for the rest of NATO.

It’s a really really good plane

it's not?

https://www.navylookout.com/us-watchdog-warns-of-growing-risks-to-f-35-programme/

"The U.S. Navy has faced numerous problems with the F-35, including significant issues with its high operating and maintenance costs, software and hardware deficiencies like overheating and landing gear problems, and complex supply chain challenges that impact readiness and delivery schedules. The F-35's stealth capabilities require costly upkeep, its internal weapons can limit payload, and its reliance on software creates vulnerability to cyber threats. Additionally, some naval variants have experienced issues like structural damage from supersonic flight and difficulties with the helmet-mounted display during carrier landings."

It's a fucking lemon. We are better off with older gen planes we can independently maintain, because even the fucking US NAVY can't get these planes to fly reliably.

No credible expert believes that the US has any kind of "kill switch" in the F-35, for the record. Such a system would be almost impossible to completely conceal from the engineers who would have to maintain these planes in service and the risk of that being discovered and instantly tanking the entire project would far exceed any benefit. Remember, the point of the F-35 was to arm the whole of NATO with a single attack fighter. The US benefited plenty from the project as it was, they didn't need to install kill switches, and back under Bush and Obama there was zero motivation for them to do so. People forget how long projects like the F-35 take. They didn't just start building this thing yesterday. The plane first entered production in 2006, and that was after a lengthy design and development phase stretching back well into the nineties.

The concern is not that there might be a "kill switch", but that the US insists on controlling the supply of firmware updates, which would represent a serious risk in its own right, not in a "planes falling out of the sky" way but definitely in a "We can continue to upgrade our planes while locking you out of upgrades" way. It's the sort of thing that, if applied over a decade, could create a serious capability gap between the US and anyone else with the F-35.

NB: To clear up another point of confusion, it is very specifically the firmware that the US controls. Everyone can make their own parts, but they have to load US firmware onto those parts. This another reason why it would be basically impossible to conceal a kill-switch; everyone has the full technical package, they know what's in this thing. Even a tripwire hidden in the firmware would still need some means to be remotely activated, which would be very obvious. This is a stealth plane, all forms of communication in and out are very, very tightly controlled. You can't just slap an extra radio in there.

People who criticize lack of military spending don't get math.

You want a well funded military? Easy, drive the country into $38T debt and take all the tax money for it while letting people starve or die from lack of health care. So you end up defending a sick shit hole country.

commitments to american companies?

there is no such thing as a commitment to a company of a country that threatened to invade you. sure, it can get legally messy. so be it. fuck them.

I understand that, but the point is we could have had a home-grown aerospace industry a bit more robust than now. Some Arrow engineers ended up at NASA after all. And the engines!

No expert, but I'm sure it wasn't the best of all generations, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was not the best of that generation, but correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a damned good option at the time*?

^? Which would have contributed more to the ærospace program than just scrapping it entirely?^

LMAOOOOO GOTTEM

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