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[–] 174 points 1 year ago (16 children)

This gives me flashbacks to the one time in my life I really wanted to answer “okay boomer”

My father in law was supporting the claim the climate change might exist, but it’s nothing we have to concern ourselves about because it’s going to take decades to do anything.

And I was like: you have grandkids, they will be there in decades! And: you just experienced the first drought of your country, how is that not climate change??

After half an hour going in rounds I gave up and bit my tongue to not torpedo our relationship. Two years later he admitted that maybe there was something about climate change nowadays…

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  • [–] 117 points 1 year ago

    Decades ago my stepmother did this in front of her 8 year old daughter... I was like, ok you'll be dead, and you don't need to care about me as your stepson, but what about her?

    Ughh... Now her and my dad are MAGA...

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Two years later he admitted that maybe there was something about climate change nowadays…

    At least they changed their mind (a little bit). I think this is a huge part of the problem: admitting an error and being supported for that admission is something that is frowned upon in certain groups. I think toxic masculinity plays one big factor here. Admitting errors is seen as "not masculine", especially within conservative groups.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    it's frown upon by every group.

    nice way to blame 'masculinity' though. as of women or something don't do that shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I am not sure where your defensive reaction comes from, but please read something about toxic masculinity before being so vocal about your opinion. Toxic masculinity can be reinforced by all genders and all genders can be victims.

    And admitting your own errors is definitely not equally seen in different groups.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Life is too short to bother maintaining relationships with people like that. They can rot away in lonely isolation, like they deserve.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    dude torpedo the relationship, who gives a fuck. if they want to be ignorant fucks and ruin their relationship with their child, that's on them

    they won't change if there are no repercussions

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You advocate blowing up a parent-child relationship just for not getting the instant gratification of convincing them to change their political views in a single day?

    That’s decades of history prior and more in the future hopefully. Some things just take time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Some people just take a while to absorb new information.

    My father would always seem like he was completely stuck in his ways and unyielding if you argued with him for one day. But if you came back the next day, he usually had a much better view and had accepted some of your statements.
    I actually enjoyed debating him once I learned this, and learned to drag out the debates over several days. I also understood a lot more by copying his method of learning.

    Not everything needs to be instant. Give people information, then give them time to think about it.

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  • [–] 143 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • [+] -67 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    You can afford a home on a single income if your income is 3-4x of the value of the home, roughly.

    Where I live lots of people can afford homes, but they are just super angry they can't afford the homes that they want. They don't want a 2bed condo for 400-500K. They want single family home with 4bedrooms that's about 3-4x the size of the condo, even if they don't have kids, and are outraged such homes aren't affordable for a single person.

    But also, lots of people, don't save intentionally and still complain they can't afford stuff, even thought they could if they did save. These are the types who argue with you that 300/mo on gyms is a necessity... but they never go to the gym.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Average annual family income in the US is around $80k/a. Are you seriously suggesting that families should be looking for homes in the $20k to $30k range? What kind of home, exactly, do you think you get for that?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think they worded that backwards and are referring to the adage (or maybe that is what the banks go off of?) that your loan shouldn't be for more than 3x your income. So if you make 80k per year you can generally afford a $240k house.

    Going above that 3x means too much of your income goes to paying for the house and you don't have enough for other living expenses+maintaining the house.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Now good luck finding a home for only $240K in an area that actually has decent-paying jobs...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just as a real example, 70-80k/year is very feasible in the Philadelphia area. I saved up around 90k across a decade (with a worse income...) and bought a place for slightly over 350k. The thing is you NEED that initial down payment amount to make those numbers work, PMI with less than a conventionally mortgage down payment is a debt trap. Most people aren't financially literate, and people with large amounts of capital take advantage of that in the lending and real estate industries.

    If you can settle or pool resources this all gets easier, and if you have disabilities or make poor financial decisions it becomes impossible and you rent trap yourself. Renting still makes more sense for people with jobs that move around, though.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For a community called “LemmyShitPost” there is an awful lot of gold here.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The boomers have lost all respect

    "Ok Boomer" means "that's nice, now go sit down grandpa, the adults who live in realityare talking"

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The boomers are like people who think misandry is real. Not necessarily in need of torture and public execution, but definitely not worth listening to.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    The secret ingredient is lead poisoning. The Baby Boomer generation spent over half their lives sniffing leaded gasoline fumes.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ding ding ding!

    The reason it feels like people from that era are angrier and dumber than they used to be is because they literally are! It’s literal brain damage!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, turns out that lead in gasoline ain't so great for the brain. I remember being oddly fascinated the first time I saw the correlation of lead being pulled from gas and violent crime plummeting 30 years later. You can see it in graphs from all across the world and can damn near set your watch to it.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    They still do. General aviation still uses 100LL aka low lead

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The FAA finally approved 100UL (unleaded), so the US is on track to stop using 100LL in most cases within the next 20 years

    EPA has tight regulations on washing your plane though, so there's no problem with lead /s

    Disclaimer: It's better than nothing that the EPA tried to do something, but the government really should have gotten their shit together and approved 100UL decades ago

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Shh, don't say it too loud or Maga will legislate the lead back in.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Oh don't worry about that, they already caused their havoc

    Thanks to the FAA's shoestring budget, they don't have the funds to just issue an STC to allow existing planes to use it. Each plane owner will have to pay for one to be issued. It costs me $200 to get one issued. It costs that much because the FAA hasn't had the budget to upgrade their systems, so handling applications takes a lot of labor. They need to manually verify the make and model of aircraft will not be at risk of adverse effects from unleaded gasoline, since safety > all else

    It's a good thing the FAA verifies this, but it shouldn't be such an inefficient process. The only reason it's so inefficient is because conservatives have gutted federal agencies for so many years. MAGA will still point to the inefficient process as an example of why they should keep cutting funding, "see how inefficient the FAA is? They don't deserve our money!"

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    While lead pipes were banned in 1986, millions of lead service lines remain in service across the US to this day...

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Lead pipes are less of an issue that it would seem, as the pipes quickly develop a layer of calcium salts on the inside, preventing the water from actually coming into contact with the lead.

    By all means, they need replaced. But they're nowhere near the contributor that leaded gasoline was. That stuff probably fucked up 6 distinct generations. If you lived in a city, you were inhaling lead constantly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Get out of here with your fact-based science, it sounds like you did your own research. We don't like that. Please comply.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Lead pipes are less of an issue that it would seem, as the pipes quickly develop a layer of calcium salts on the inside, preventing the water from actually coming into contact with the lead.

    This right here.

    If people remember the lead in drinking water contamination in Flint Michigan, its because they had lead pipes that were well coated with the protective layers and had no trouble with lead in water. Then the newly elected city manager changed water sources to cut costs against the advice of the water engineers in the city. The other source of water was more acidic and stripped out all that protective coating and suddenly there's huge amounts of lead in the drinking water from the pipes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gen X kid walked arduous hikes uphill back from school in the La Cañada foothills in San Fernando Valley, id est, the Los Angeles smog bowl from ~1975 to 1985. I may literally have lead poisoning brain damage.

    I don't know how I'd get checked. 58 now.

    Curiously, I empathize with kids these days but am also extremely left-wing, and see each generation getting dismissed by the previous one as having it too easy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I do not dismiss the next generation as having it too easy. Their minimum wage is what mine was when I young. They are basically in a ponzi scheme economy. They are either going to have to endure this distopia or violently overthrow it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago
    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Can also be used to refer to a boomer who seems surprisingly OK.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    i have respect for my grandparents so i dont call them this but when they bring up stuff i just nod becuase its better to let them ramble than sit there and argue with someone who could have a heart attack.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Slurs, contrary to popular belief, do have some utility

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  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    slurs used on people for things you cant control ❌️

    slurs used on people for things 100% in their control ✅️

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Yes! So much this!!

    Edit: downvotes really?

    Edit 2: "your boos mean nothing ive seen what makes you cheer! -Rick and Morty

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, so much no. Weight isn't always under people's control. I'd even argue it's not even under our control most of the time.

    https://youtu.be/pOJYTMe_bp4

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    As soon as my PCOS got treated (metformin) I lost 20 pounds. Looking back, it should have been caught decades ago. It pisses me off how much "you just need diet and exercise!" bullshit I swallowed when all I needed to do to lose weight was take a stupid pill to treat the underlying condition.

    Caveat: I believe treating the underlying condition has had a bigger impact on my health than weight loss.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah I hate when food and drink gets teleported into my mouth

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because that's how psychology and physiology works, obviously.

    You should try reading or at least watching the video.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I did watch the video, it’s pretty good. He’s discussing the motivators behind overeating. He points out in the beginning that CICO is something that cannot be violated due to thermodynamics (incorrectly saying it’s the second law when he means first), but where the CICO approach fails is in addressing the obesity epidemic.

    Ultimately, it is a personal decision to consume food. The genetic difference is in how hard this is. Genetics does not affect the physics at play. If you consume fewer calories than you expend, you will lose weight. There are no genetics that will permit you to derive more calories from food than what is consumed. Period.

    Sometimes you just have to embrace the ascetic part of dieting and just suffer. Life is suffering anyhow, so you might as well make peace with it. It’s okay to be hungry, just like it’s okay to be bored. We’re not supposed to be satiated 24/7.

    Please note I’m not saying over or under weight people are somehow worse people than those who are fit because they have poor willpower or something like that. We all have our problems, and everyone deserves respect as we navigate this fucked up life.

    The thing is, nobody is going to be able to solve your problems except you. There is no pill that will fix your diet, and it’s not your genetics that put the food in your mouth. Genetics can make you want to eat, but you can choose not to act on this impulse. It can be trained just like anything else. The only lasting solution lies within, whether that’s learning how to deal with not giving into your hunger pangs, or forcing yourself to eat when you’re not hungry, or just learning to love yourself as you are.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The hardship Boomers had was mostly far away and hypothetical. They grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war.

    The old Star Trek episode "Gary Seven" has an interesting take on this. Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood. Then it didn't, and they had no idea what to do with themselves.

    Then they come to a time when they're resented by both their parents and their children. The Greatest Generation was horny after the war and literally fucked the Boomers into existence, but realized too late that they didn't actually like having children. Boomers treated their children the way their parents treated them. Gen X sorta puts up with it, but Millennials aren't having it.

    Other than that, capitalism knew by the 1950s that if they push the working class too hard, they'll revolt. Better to back off the money printer a little to make sure we can keep running it for as long as possible. And so the working class could have a reasonably comfy life doing the same trades for their whole working life (provided they were white). Over time, capitalism found that it can keep a working class revolt from happening by dividing the working class against each other; racism and religion works pretty well. Then it was time to overclock the money printer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood.

    I figured that was our (Gen X) curse. I remember being fairly sure I'd not see age 20, given all the dystopian nightmares that seemed to surround us. Maybe it was all the boomer-created media we were saturated in.

    I seem to recall Douglas Coupland writing on that in much more evocative ways than I could ever muster...but then, even though he coined "Generation X", I think he's one of the very oldest in that generation.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I feel like “having it easier” can be relative. I definitely have it easier than my grandmother who is a black woman born in the late 1930s who only has a high school education. I’ve even had an easier life than my parents in many ways, even if they did achieve the “American Dream”. I may not be able to afford a house right now, but everything else has been easier as a whole so far. I’m in the USA, so we’ll see how the rest of it goes.

    ETA: spelling

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    don't let context and subtly of reality get in the way of your intergenerational rage narrative!

    my parents were stupid ignorant fucks... but the sad fact is their life circumstances meant they were never going to be anything but that.

    and plenty of people think stupid and ignorant merely because I dont agree with their extremist political ideology or their doomer mindset or chasing whatever trend is popular on social media that month.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They were channeling their inner Gen X with that one. "Whatever."

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As a Gen X person, this is kind of my response to any sort of right-wing nonsense now. Especially that thing where you say something that's obviously true and they ask what your source is for that so they can nit-pick it and exhaust you with irrelevant bickering until you give up.

    "Society seems to be degenerating into fascism again"

    "oH yEaH wHaT iS uR sOuRcE"

    "Outside."

    Or I'll just be like "no" if I even bother responding at all. You're probably just arguing with a bot to drive up engagement that benefits some rich dickhead somehow anyway. 100% not worth it IMO.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    it's arguing in bad faith. as in you aren't actually arguing or debating, they are just seeing to beat you down for not agreeing with them.

    lemmy full of these types, despite their claims of being educated and data-driven or whatever. i had someone the other week tell me my citation of data form the USA Labor Bureau about jobs numbers was 'lies' because apparently statistics don't count if Trump is in office... pointed out the data was from Biden to now and they just told me I was an idiot then cited some other source that was totally partisan nonsense.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Where are you finding conservatives like that?

    Honestly question, lemmy feels like its 30% leftists, 70% center-right libs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    i am saying human beings are like that.

    political belief has nothing to do with it.

    people just call you whatever 'other' they think is bad. here on lemmy i get called a commie, MAGAt, or centrist anytime i point out facts that disagree with whatever bullshit narrative people are pushing.

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Here's the thing: They don't need to get with the times, we don't expect them to. But they should shut the hell up judging others. What's screwed up is the selfishness and lack of empathy for people.

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