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[–] 100 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And now instead of Marge, it’s ChatGPT.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I have a gen-z friend who unjokingly does that. He's like "I asked grok if it was true and it confirmed it."

    I wish at least he followed up with the logic or sources behind it... but no he was like "grok said so. I asked it." he was dead serious. and I wanted to hit my head into a fucking wall

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago
    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If you had a question that nobody could answer, you’d go down to the library, open up a drawer with a bunch of note cards in it, look to see if any of the note cards had a word about a concept you wanted to learn about, hope that the card existed, was in the right place, and listed a book that would actually give you the information you wanted.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Or you wouldn't go through the effort, you'd ask a trusted elder or a friend, they would lie to you, and you'd peddle that misinformation for decades while refusing that you might be wrong. Guess which one was more likely

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The first step would be opening an encyclopedia. A lot of households actually had an encyclopedia on their shelves for this very reason. Something which these "pre-internet" rumination threads always seems to neglect.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I still have an encyclopaedia on my shelf. I have to admit it’s the small edition though.

    I also still have a bunch of dictionaries (different languages), and a very outdated atlas.

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    [–] 142 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Now instead of your aunt coming at you with misinfo she learned from her aunt, it's your aunt coming at you with misinformation she learned from a russian bot farm.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Yes and to make it even worse, your aunt back in the day would tell 10 people some BS and maybe 3 would believe her. Not some Russian bot factory spits out BS to 10 million people and a lot more believe it.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Did you spray for Russians under your bed before going to sleep? You really should, and check behind the sofa and in the dryer too. Russians can disguise themselves as Bounce dryer sheets, and the latest Russians can send themselves over Ethernet using the RoE protocol: Russian over Ethernet.

    Russia! Quite an imaginary world you live in! Aunts and Russians and bots and misinformation and all these people targeting you! How exciting!

    Can I send you my Moral Rearmament and John Birch Society fliers?

    https://imgur.com/a/john-birch-society-satire-1965-YkVs2mK

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yep. The mark of a stupid Westerner is how much they blame Russia for their country's problems (the exception being Ukraine obviously). Meanwhile the US literally has a billion+ dollar anti-China propaganda budget (taxpayer funded) and a decentralized, private network of pro-Israel propagandists backed by the richest people in the country, buying up entire media companies for that purpose.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You went to a library and read a couple of encyclopedias.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had a fantastic working class education at the local library and our home encyclopedia. I definitely carry around 40 year old random factoids and such just like everybody else, but I still love researching things to this day.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I remember that one time when I was around eight, a neighbor put the entire 1976 World Book encyclopedia at the end of his driveway. I ran home, grabbed a wheelbarrow and carted that knowledge back to my house. It was about twenty years out of date at the time but still the basic concepts were valid enough that I kept referring to it until I left for university.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Glad AI is finally taking us back to an era of disinformation

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I haven't really seen a huge shift in the volume of misinformation. Sure, the topics and delivery methods have changed, but it has been a firehose this entire time.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The volume has increased exponentially. With generative AI, there are thousands of "news" sites with landing pages that look better than many real local news organizations.

    These sites have agendas and are able to post the same story across the web, written differently each time, to look like events are taking place across the country/world and all being reported on by local news orgs. It's all astroturf, as far as the eye can see.

    This list from Wikipedia just barely scratches the surface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fake_news_websites

    And this doesn't even touch on the amount of bullshit real news orgs publish without proper investigation thanks to the 24 hour news cycle and the rush to be the first to cover a story.

    Yeah, there used to be misinformation published by news organizations and people with agendas. But that used to take significant effort. Now, I can set up a fake news website and fill it with stories in an afternoon.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    There were tons of misinformation sites in place the moment the web existed. I was there, 6,000 years ago...

    Seriously though, Fox News and all the other Murdoch owned media has been a firehouse for decades. Magazines and print media like the Weekly World News as well. On the internet the misinformation spreader set up shop early, and it was mainly the search engines that directed people to the better sources.

    The main change is that the people are choosing to consume the firehose of social media.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is actually a pretty interesting topic.

    I was born in 1982 and we didn’t get the internet until 1998. Which means I was a kid and teen in a mostly analog world.

    Your day to day knowledge was formed by things you were taught in school, the things you saw on the news and the people you were surrounded by. That gave you a fairly broad understanding of the world.

    If you really NEEDED a correct answer, you’d use an encyclopedia at school or the library, or any specific book on the topic. But you had to be motivated to do that. And even those resources might be limited in scope or unavailable. My local library in the Netherlands would’ve had some books on US history for example, but you wouldn’t really find say, a biography of Jimmy Carter. So at some point, you’d reach the maximum depth of knowledge to be gained in your particular situation.

    The internet really helps us drill down way, WAY deeper than what we could find in the 80’s and 90’s. I can now have in-depth knowledge on the most obscure topic and drill down as far as I want.

    It’s unfortunate that a lot of people don’t use the web for that. Or end up actually misinformed because of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My high school in NZ was pretty poor, so even in the early 00s, we still had Cold War-era maps of Europe in textbooks and on the wall, and no access to the internet (computers were taught to us as glorified typewriters). It took until I was older than I care to admit to learn that Czechoslovakia was no longer a thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    When I graduated HS, the map on the wall in our history class still had "French West Africa" on it (textbooks were at least more up to date :-)) "French West Africa" hadn't existed for . . . looks it up . . . about a quarter century before then.

    Damn, before I was even born!

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  • [+] 28 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Even as a kid I thought that was stupid. If blood is blue in the body and only turns red when it touches oxygen, then why is it red in the water?

    I was told that's only in the movies. In real life it would be blue.

    But then again I got a detention for arguing that the moon is visible during the day. The detention was because I pointed out to the window and said look, and she was embarrassed.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    That's wild to me cos like... We didn't need internet to tell us this was incorrect.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    It's not like it doesn't have some logic to it. Blood carries oxygen throughout the body and then cycles back through the lungs to get more oxygen. So when you look at your arms and see the blue veins we just thought that was obviously the deoxygenated blood returning to the heart.

    It made basic sense, so no one was running down to the library to check out a medical textbook to disprove it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ever see a blood draw? Blood comes out of a vein, into a non-O2 environment.

    I think we just don't do as much critical introspection as we like to think. Its easier to imagine maybe there was a tiny amount of O2 or something than that the thing we were taught was entirely false.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think we just don’t do as much critical introspection as we like to think.

    It's definitely true, and it shows that the stuff you learn as kids is even more ingrained than we even notice most of the time. Kids don't normally have blood drawn, so it's not like elementary schools were filled with a bunch of kids saying "wait a minute, that didn't happen with my last blood draw."

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is why encyclopedia salesmen was even a thing.

    If you didn't have that, go to a library.

    Eventually there was encyclopedia britannica which was basically one of the coolest things you could have for free on your computer in that era.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Funnily even the usage was pretty similar to doom-browsing Wikipedia:

    • pick a volume
    • open random page
    • read about medieval remedies for mental illnesses
    • open another random page
    • read about some rare tropical bird
    • repeat and rinse
    • maybe brag about your tidbit knowledge to your friends later (if you had any)
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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Whenever I would ask a question I would be told to go look it up. I was never sure if I was surrounded by people who didn't know anything or if they just wanted to get me out of the house by sending me to the library for a few hours.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And there was a friend's older brother or cousin, who said some unbelievable horseshit, you thought was true for many years. And you didn't even ask.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We got misinformed at a much slower rate though. The newspapers could only tell us so many lies at a time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Doesn't misinformation involve intent? Aunt Marge probably thought she was right.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    no, thats disinformation. disinformation is willful malicious intent to spread misinformation, knowing that its wrong info in order to achieve a certain result(such as propaganda by russia, or giving wrong intel to an enemy). misinfo is just saying potential info that may or may not be true, and no fact checking, and just ignorant to the info.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's better than what we have now though, which is going "I think elephants are actually seals that got lost on the way to the south pole" and then going on the internet and searching until you find exactly what you already believe, and then forming a social group around that, then voting in politicians who think that until that stupid belief becomes mainstream and there are politicians debating in congress whether to invade Kenya to transport all the elephants to Antarctica.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I had people arguing with me about blue blood long after the internet was available to everyone. I wouldn't ever tell them they were stupid, but I would say, "I don't think that's right" and they would usually say they learned it in biology or a science class in high school and I would say, "that still doesn't sound right. We should look that up later when get home to our computers" and then They would look at me like I was the idiot for suggesting they were misinformed in school... because you know... school teachers NEVER misinform their students... like ever 🙄

    Speaking of misinforming your students; shout out to Miss O'Leary for saying Russia could Invade Canada with Tanks because we were landlocked during the colder months via the arctic.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Speaking of misinforming your students; shout out to Miss O’Leary for saying Russia could Invade Canada with Tanks because we were landlocked during the colder months via the arctic.

    For anyone wondering, no it doesn't freeze over in winter but there are chunks of ice you can hop across that might eventually get you to the firmer ice along the respective shores:

    https://angusadventures.com/adventurer-handbook/beringstrait/

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    aunt Marge has been replaced by AI now

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Regarding to the diamond ring thing: Most "old traditions" or "old traditional things" aren't actually old at all. In most cases, something that has been done for longer than you are alive counts as "old tradition", because we don't experience the past through history books and facts, but through our experience and through what adults told us when we grew up.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Fun fact: You can still order a current print volume of World Book Encyclopedia for the low price of $1,349.00

    proof

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My parents got me this set of the Childcraft children’s encyclopaedias when I was like 6? I inhaled those things for knowledge back in the pre-internet days!

    Am considering getting one for my own kiddo when they get old enough, but like most things from my childhood - they look to have been discontinued.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Honestly surprisingly inexpensive given that about what a set of encyclopedias would cost you 35+ years ago. Not sure about World Book specifically but I know Britannicas were over $1k in 1990 because I remember a door-to-door salesmen trying to sell them to me. Can't imagine anyone other than a library buying these now, and even there they're probably all collecting dust.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    shit I still remember a primary school classmate explaining to me:

    one sneeze is from dust
    two sneezes in quick succession are from cold
    three sneezes in quick succession are from allergies

    It's been 30+ years, someone pls remove this nonsense from my brain 😩

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    four sneezes means someone's thinking of you
    five sneezes means someone's cutting peppers
    six sneezes is anthrax
    seven sneezes is the absolute physical maximum

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Eight sneezes is instant death.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nine sneezes means you are in Hell, unfortunately. You have already been dead this whole time, and your torture for this moment of eternity has been temporary amnesia and experiencing the sudden terror of realizing you are sneezing yourself to death. That price of darkness can be a rascal like that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had a professor that gave a student $100 for reaching 7 sneezes. His previous student record was 6.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've never heard of that, but I've kind of used it for children. If it's winter and you hear you kid sneeze, do not worry. If they sneeze again, they are probably barefoot some something, go check on them. 3 times they are either already sick, or allergies

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