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[–] 283 points 1 year ago (31 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Plummer

David William Plummer (born August 9, 1968) is a Canadian-American programmer and entrepreneur. He created the Task Manager for Windows, the Space Cadet Pinball ports to Windows NT, Zip file support for Windows, HyperCache[2] for the Amiga and many other software products.

2025: The guy that wrote Windows' Task Manager at Microsoft is creating burner accounts to get the OS installed.

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  • [+] [S] -82 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    Would you really believe any of that?

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He has been making Youtube videos for years, if he was a fraud, which you imply, someone would have found evidence of it

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    He was actually convicted of fraud. Remember "Your computer has a virus. Install my (shady) app to fix it" banners in 2000s? That was also him.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hadn't heard anything about this - quite interesting in context of the discussion, and also in that it only has a grain of truth.

    His company was sued for violations of the Consumer Protection Act (for making shitty misleading 'you may have a virus! Click here for free scan' popups and shady apps like 'RegistryCleaner', as you allude), which they settled for $150k plus $40k in court fees.

    He was never charged with fraud nor convicted - that is something much more serious.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    Wait, believe what?

    I promise real humans made Windows. Like, a lot of them. It's not that weird.

    But beyond that, trust me, that is this guy's entire personality. I believe he uses his Microsoft access card with his picture as an image in thumbnails often. Which I'm now realizing I've judged him for when it's probably in response to getting this type of reaction a bunch.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Well that's the thing though, he claims he did a bunch of stuff at Microsoft and all of it is conveniently very fun to say in a YouTube video for views but literally none of it is verifiable. It would be fine if he was trustworthy but he's also going around claiming "as an intern, I shipped a lot of major features" which that's just straight up false, interns don't do that.

    At the very least, I would take all claims made on his wikipedia article that are not immediately followed by a citation with a massive grain of salt.

    The fact he then went on to sell registry cleaners and support contracts is telling.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    This is astoundingly weird.

    I mean, he didn't show up from the ether to make this tweet, he's a semi-well known youtuber, his anecdotes about his time at Microsoft have been reported in specialist press often and to my knowledge nobody at Microsoft ever went "hey, we don't know who that is". No matter how many grains of salt you take on uncited Wikipedia content, there are enough citations there to verify his identity, from local newspaper coverage of his career to links to public talks mentioning his background. He has frequently namedropped coworkers at the time, who to my knowledge haven't contested his accounts. The Wikipedia page in question isn't even a hagiography, bringing up his failed companies and legal issues surrounding them.

    I don't mind skepticism, but this is paranoia. Is it possible the guy is a bullshitter whose wide reaching lies have somehow not triggered a rebuke from the people he has specifically named? I guess weirder things have happened. Would you be questioning his background if he was saying something you don't perceive as disagreeing with you? Absolutely not.

    I have no more reason to question this guy having worked at Microsoft (and on the Task Manager specifically, which is a really weirdly mid-tier thing to brag about for twenty years if you didn't do it) than to think Niccolo Venerandi didn't contribute to KDE Plasma because he has a Youtube channel. It's just a strange way to react to this.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It's easy to lie about this stuff and not get called out by the company or employees. See: PirateSoftware

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yes, famously never-called-out PirateSoftware

    You are not immune to propaganda

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Brother, he got away with it for years without being called out. Are you stupid? Did you really think I meant that he was never called out for it? Sometimes the shit you nerds say is downright incredible.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Stop going through my post history and harassing me.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    ? I haven't been, I am simply responding to your comments to me, kiddo. That's how the app works. I also never harassed you, I commented on 2 of your comments days ago "this is ableism" because you lied about caring about ableism while trolling. That isn't harassment lol. Because you're a liar and a troll and not good faith.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Digging through someone's post history and replying to multiple historical comments because you're losing an argument in the contemporary is precisely harassment.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I dunno, I don't think he meant "three."

    The :3 emoticon sometimes means "a dog" (if the eyes are on top), and sometimes means "a guy wearing a chef's hat" (if the eyes are on the bottom).

    So, time delta :3 could mean "the time you'd rather spend playing with a dog," or it could mean "the time it takes to make a nice meal." It's more than three either way. And not worth installing Windows when you could use that time petting a dog.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    3 minutes. Clicking the ‘show more’ button before taking a screenshot was too hard for op apparently.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Microsoft will continue to eliminate workarounds. Copilot needs your data for training purposes. Snapshot, Onedrive, mandatory accounts, are all ways of forcing users to give up their data.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I personally think the workarounds are an intentional strategy to drip feed the "power users" and make them stop complaining/switching away. it also probably works to make them feel smart.

    like do you seriously fucking believe ms would unintentionally leave oobe\bypassnro as a command you can type?? this is some Hollywood hacking type shit

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You actually don’t need to setup an Apple ID to startup a Mac.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yep, kinda funny how even Apple is more lenient in this way. The only downside is that you can’t install stuff from the App Store but that’s basically a non issue.

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    [–] 62 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    David Plumber is a former Windows engineer, and has a YouTube channel where he shares stories about his time at Microsoft.

    Of course he has positive Windows opinions, and of course he yaps about it like he’s an expert: because he is

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    His "expert" opinion is quite dated

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I watch his videos from time to time, he stays quite up to date when it comes to the underpinnings of modern software engineering. Mind you, just because he retired doesn't mean he stopped tinkering and building. By all accounts he is still poking around in a number of projects and contributes his fair share of expertise. I'm not a fan of him not outright calling out Microsoft for their bullshit, but I do respect the sheer amount of expertise he brings to the table. Calling him out of date, particularly with the level of understanding needed to make something like a task manager, doesn't seem fair.

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    He also loves pretending he developed every single Windows dialogue box, tool, application, default software and interface element, when the truth is more like:

    He says quite the opposite. He's pretty open about what he was involved with and how long it's been since he's worked for MS. I've watched quite a few of his videos. He's not what you claim.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not an awful take to say something like "Hey, you can get around this requirement by creating a burner account, then creating local accounts". His wording is a bit off but he's an odd guy, who also used to scam people, so this isn't that bad in the grand scheme. He's also heavily biased to windows.

    On the topic of the account, I moved to Linux and I threw an LTSC build of Windows 10 on another nvme drive so I could play a couple games that use anti cheat. I figure by the time that's no longer supported developers will just accept Linux in their games or i won't care anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    One bummer about 'burner accounts' in 2025 is it seems to be increasingly difficult to have a true anonymous burner account that doesn't involve someone getting your PII. A few short years ago you could just get a disposable email address from a bunch of places and use it to sign up, but now everything seems to be super locked down to where you either need an existing email address or a phone number to create an email account, both of which tend to have ways of being tied back to you.

    I don't know if there's even any email services left that will just give you an account no questions asked, but I'll bet if there are they'll already be rejected as invalid by the big players.

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    Yeah I was about to say “since when” about MacOS, good thing you added the note. Windows is objectively just more data hungry than MacOS. The fact that you need to sign in to use the default calendar says it all on Windows

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Can confirm. Been using it without an account for several years. It still infuriates me that they ignore default app settings in favor of their own shitty unremovable apps.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have seen someone change default apps on Win11 recently. I'm a Linux user tho, but if I rememer correctly, it was in the Settings app, which is a bit confusing, because there is also a Control Panel app and both change mostly different settings.

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    It ignores it? Doesn’t really happen for me, I have Smultron for my text editor and cog for music player, never has the default apps popped up instead. Are you sure you didn’t forget to click the “change all” inside the get info for whatever file you’re working on?

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know who needs to hear this, but you don't need to smell shit while eating it.

    You do need to get it down your throat, but you can just keep your nose pinched with your fingers, same as MacOS.

    After that, throw up as much as you like. It's what I do. Total calories delta: 100 kcal

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    apple is sorta the opposite. you stop using their hardware and you can't really use your account anymore or at least recover it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You can open the powershell during install to get around the Microsoft id, and make a local user.

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    Are they also removing the Rufus method?

    No idea how that works.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I guess it depends how rufus actually does it? If it's just scripting the command then it will probably be broken too.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Rufus uses the feature for unattended installations. This will never be removed, as this is very commonly used by enterprise customers.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Idk about you guys but I got sick of using an os that obviously doesn't want me to use it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Linux install: maybe 10 or 15 minutes tops from booting USB to desktop access, login is local, network connection is optional.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I installed Linux on a friend's old laptop in an attempt to wring a few more years out of it, and they told me that they were surprised at how easy to use it was. I think most people just struggle with feeling intimidated. There is a bit of a learning curve, but the main obstacle is getting over that initial inertia

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Just set up a windows *spits rig for a family member because old. My god the insanity of it all. From untoggling shit to stop ms *spits from spying and toggling other shit to stop ms *spits from spying, and dealing with uefi settings to get it to a level of security without allowing ms *spits to lock it down cost me a full day.

    Then I had to deal with the ridiculousness that is their permission system to let them browse their own files from a different hard drive.

    I love that it also sets up the first user as a full admin and I had to create another account and lock down all the stupid crap that would allow them to destroy everything.

    Just the initial booting was longer than it would have taken me to install and fully set up the mint distro I had ready to install on my USB stick (for the use case they'd be using)

    I was going to set up a server so they could access stuff and watch free stuff on their TV with the old PC, but that will have to wait for another visit.

    Even I was astounded at the length of time it took. I was expecting stupidity but ms *spits has taken it way too far.

    (I did install without any account at all though, and did manage to get full GUI desktop environment Ubuntu running in wsl though, so that was fun - for me)

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