What a coincidence - I just finished the Manhunt: Unabomber TV series. It’s well made, reminded me of Mindhunter. And very sympathetic towards Ted Kaczynski actually. Highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it.
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That’s going to be me and my peeve regarding the malapropism “assless chaps”.
Chaps with asses are PANTS!
(Turns back to manual typewriter and resumes typing furiously.)
To me when someone says assless chaps it refers to the configuration of wearing chaps without anything underneath. Similar to "going commando" being a configuration of clothing meaning pants with no underwear.
Indeed, chaps by definition have no ass.
They’re assless pants, really.
Tangentially, I hate it that pulling someone’s pants down became popular and was called “pantsing.” You’re not putting pants ON the person…
My (completely un-researched, straight from my ass) hypothesis is that the term comes from British English and not American English. In the UK "pants" are your underwear, so "pansting" somebody is exposing their underwear.
I hate it that pulling someone’s pants down became popular and was called “pantsing.” You’re not putting pants ON the person…
Do you feel similarly about shelling peanuts?
Oh excellent point, I hadn’t thought about it.
I think it’s different for parts of living things.
Shelling is removing the entire shell. “Peeling” something doesn’t mean adding peel, and “pitting” means removing the pit.
However, for bodies, removing skin in general is “skinning,” but if you lose the skin of just your hand it’s called de-gloving. Removing the bowels isn’t called “boweling,” but “disembowling.”
If I said someone did a “shirting,” maybe I’m weird but I’d think of getting hit with a shirt before removing someone’s shirt. And in hockey, a “jerseying” is more about pulling the jersey over the head than removing it.
Removing the bowels isn’t called “boweling,” but “disembowling.”
But the synonymous process of removing the guts is called gutting.
Should it be de-pantsing, or disempantsing, then? I think it'd be the former, but I want it to be the latter
I think most people would say “de-pants” but I agree with you that it SHOULD be disempantsing.
Though I’m worried the “em” implies the pants are being extracted.
“Dis-pantsing” is also really good though. Then when it happens people can be like “Jimmy got a dis-pants-ation”
The difference between pants and chaps is more than just the presence or absence of an ass. There's the whole area between the legs. You can have chaps with an ass in the same way you can have a shirt with sleeves.
Counterpoint, saying "assless" is fun, and saying "assless pants" would probably make most people confused
There was a reverse of that scenario in our neck of the wood where the murderer phoned the cops with details only he would know (from a payphone close to where he worked), and although his voice was recognized by a relative, his (somewhat successful) defence was that he never pronounced "creek" as "crick."
The phrase makes no sense to me at first glance because if I say "I'm going to have some cake" what I mean is I am going to eat it.
You can't eat your cake and eat it too!
Weirdo. The rest of us mean that we are going to posses some amount of cake for a period of time.
What do you want to do with cake other than eat it though? Apart from saving it for later because the only thing you'd be saving it for later is to eat it later.
Don't speak on my behalf. That's not what I mean when I say I'm having some food. "Yes waiter I'll have the steak. Not for eating. Just for possessing ike a psychopath."
Apparently I never understood this saying until today.
I still don't think I fully understand, even as the unabomber put it. Can't eat it and have it? Like, I can't consume and expect the thing to remain, that it?
Side note: only in English, one can "understand", but nobody can "overstand" and anybody that "stand" is doing a wholly different thing.
It comes down to "You can't have the best of two situations. Pick one."
Yeah, I think that's it?
Pretty sure his brothers wife played a big part.
Is it really pedantry if the phrase makes no sense with the incorrect order
Its like "I could care less" - so you do care? Start making sense and I'll understand you. Words have meaning god damn it.
It’s not like that at all. “I could care less” is just wrong. The phrase is “I couldn’t care less.” “I could care less” is more like “one and the same” or “for all intensive purposes.”
If a phrase conveys the opposite of their literal meaning, and the speaker and the audience both know it, then it is pedantic. Choosing to derail whatever the topic is in favor of criticizing someone's understandability when everyone did understand them is pedantic.
I get it, I hate the way people use "literally". It's terrible, it's usually unneeded, and it just makes any actual correct use of literally have less impact. But I'm not gonna correct people who say it wrong, because I do know what they meant.
If they said "I could care less" and you're comfortable enough in your understanding of the conversation to know for a fact they actually mean they do not care about it, then they did make sense and you did understand them.
If they said "I could care less" and you're comfortable enough in your understanding of the conversation to know for a fact they actually mean they do not care about it
And what if I am not comfortable enough in my understanding? When someone is hard to understand because of how non-standard their use of language is, it is a communication barrier, not just pedantry.
It's a problem, because I'm never quite sure if they're saying they care a little bit, and are using the phrase literally, or don't care, and are a moron.
That's quite a problem. You tend to get those by dividing things into black and white like that. I've known quite a few smart people that just still don't care about English being imperfect, and I've met a few dumb ones that care greatly about details like word choice and ignore the conversation to focus on errors.
Splitting the world between "people who do a thing you agree with" and "morons" is a choice, but its one I try to avoid as a rule.
Just because you’re being pedantic doesn’t necessarily mean you’re wrong.
Idioms don't have to make literal sense. How do you feel about being "head over heels" about someone?
I'm not sure what part doesn't make sense about the original
have your cake and eat it too
Alone it sounds normal but doesnt make sense in context because its supposed to be
eat your cake and have it too
Because the idiom is supposed to mean that you can't eat it and somehow still have it. The first implies you got cake and then were unable to eat it which doesnt make sense because thats literally the point of cake
Wikipedia:
you cannot enjoy two incompatible things at the same time; once you eat the cake, you no longer have it. It highlights the idea of trade-offs or making choices in life.
Apparently have is supposed to be synonymous with "keep" but language has evolved
It can sound misleading but the second part doesn't actually mean the "having" at the first part has ended. It's not incorrect, it's just more confusing than the other way around.
I wouldn't say the language has changed. You either have something or don't. If you eat your cake you don't have it anymore
I see this one a lot, and it always says to me that people just use these phrases because other people use them, without ever thinking about what they mean.
I've always taken "I could care less" to be sarcastic. Like "It's technically possible, but quite unlikely."
Yeah if they cared enough to care less. Therefore they don't care enough to care less about something.
I'd love to hear the Unabomber's takes on "taking a piss/shit."
I leave a shit, there's no shit when I return, so presumably someone came and took a shit. What they did with that shit, I prefer not to know, but I'm not going to fault such a vital function.
It would actually be quite funny to say you're going to leave a shit, come to think of it.
LOL that's awesome.
The statement has been around since the 1530s; it's probably due for some modernization.
Reminds me the advice "when commiting crime put a rock in your boots so people can't recognize you by your walking style."

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