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[+] 136 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I expect better of the rail network in America. This is a tiny network for the size country we are.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The thing is the rail network was pretty comprehensive at one point. Only a few remain.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It still is, if you're a piece of rail freight.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even for freight, it used to be better. My tiny rural town used to be serviced by a rail line hauling passengers, timber, and agriculture, but it was gone before I was even born. You can still see some of the old tracks if you know where to look.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    and what remains is in such a hilariously horrendous state that the rest of the world struggles to comprehend it, lines with 20km/h speed limits and trains passing over the tracks literally visibly wobble from side to side

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    it takes me 24 hours to go by train the same distance it takes me to fly 1.5 hours. and the cost is the same. there are some problems.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This has more to do with how commuter trains are forced to give priority to freight trains, causing delays, than actual travel times

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's not that extreme, but even if we assume a 200 mph HSR train:

    • It would still take 12 hours to drive the 2500 miles from Los Angeles (California) to Jacksonville (Florida)
    • It would still take 6 hours to drive the 1200 miles from Jacksonville (Florida) to Boston (Massachusetts)

    Admittedly, there's a point to be made that hardly anyone would drive from Florida straight to Massachusetts or the other way around, but the distance is still impressive.

    Airplanes who fly at 600 mph reduce that travel time to 1/3rd (excluding boarding, which can be time-consuming). I did not calculate how much a train ticket would cost, compared to a flight ticket.


    Admittedly, i travel 400 miles by train in Europe all the time. (a couple times every year). It takes about 6 hours in total.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    why do all tracks lead to Florida?

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Its the other way around, there needs to be as many ways to get out of Florida as possible.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    One reason for this is hurricanes are more frequent, and sometimes the notice level is too short to have safe evacuation from Miami through highway systems. There has been anger over deaths from evacuation, when a storm warning did not destroy as many homes as was "hoped"/feared.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A bunch of individual reasons.

    Chock Full-0-Sea ports

    Nasa historically moved a lot of big stuff over rail.

    Florida has a shit ton of Agriculture but a lack of raw materials

    Tourism

    It's flat as hell

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  • Chock Full-0-Sea ports

    Is really the big reason. Less and less portage is going through the traditional East Coast hubs of NY and NJ, mostly going to places like Louisiana , Texas, and Florida instead.

    Historically Florida has always been pretty big on trains as well. In fact you used to be able to take a train from Florida to Cuba....kinda. You could take a train across the overseas rail line to Key West where they would ferry the whole train car over to Cuba.

    We used to be an actual country that did stuff, and that's because we weren't afraid to do cool stuff with trains.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thats a weird way to spell Chicago? 3 out of 8 tracks is far from all of them

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look how many tracks are aligned for consecutive stops in the state though

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Those aren't necessarily tracks but services. 3 services can share one mainline and several stops. Makes (dis)boarding easier for longer distances if passengers don't have to change trains after they get out of the peninsula, plus 3 services hitting the same stations means 3x as much frequency along that corridor. Someone going Jacksonville to Miami can pick between the Chicago, LA or New York route and someone going from Miami to LA can just hop into the LA route and stay there until they arrive without changing trains

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Lots of people in a pretty small area in relatively dense cities that currently drive or fly between the cities (technically called strong city pairings). There's also a pretty enormous tourism industry in Florida that captures much of the Midwestern US/anyone not going to California or Hawaii for their beach or disney vacation. Florida is also flat which makes for very cheap high speed rail. Note how the map goes out of its way to avoid the mountains out West.

    That being said, I'm not sure this map is one of the ones made with serious city pairing calculations. I'm skeptical that Quincy, IL has a really strong draw for high speed rail, for example, and that long gap between Portland and Sacramento/San Francisco, while beautiful and filled with cool places, is way too sparsely populated to justify 6hrs on high speed rail. I think it's a sort of meme map that's been going around for years, though I wish it were real.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I assume the gray gaps are due to red states refusing to get on the Tylenol/Autism Train, but I can't believe, if the Autist Party were in power, they wouldn't insist on connecting ALL the dots.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It's kind of weird too because logistically the northern border is the easiest place to expand rails: big flat great planes region, with both of the two largest rivers for ferrying in supplies, followed by a bypass around the bulk of the rocky mountains into Oregon or Washington State.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's about need. Like yeah, Chicago through the Dakotas is easy as pie, but the demand would be to seattle and that crosses two mountain ranges and the only stops between Minnesota and Seattle with much demand there would be at national parks.

    Like yeah it would be awesome as hell and the American version of the CCP would absofuckinglutely have a high speed rail to Yellowstone and the badlands since they're on the way. But Yellowstone is past the start of the mountains and you need to connect all the way to seattle for it to be more than a vanity project.

    The important lines are the NY-Chicago (land is dirt cheap for lots of it, mountains are small, and population is dense with several makor cities you can hit) and the west coast line (basically actually do California high speed rail, then extend it from San Diego to just outside British Columbia. From there the east coast line, something involving texas, or stretching the ny-chicago line is good.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The above map basically connects every major city in the country with a high speed rail route, makes it easy to travel by high speed rail from any major city in a region to any other major city in a rrhion and standard speed routes to connect some of the smaller major cities and provide alternate cross connections for less populad itineraries

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I would think that Kansas City would be a bigger hub since it already has a lot of rail through there and is more central in the country.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    for freight, not passenger rail, which is what high-speed rail is primarily designed for

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Freight rail is a lot less than it should be as well.

    It is also owned by Private Industry without clear rules on what they can charge in that more than it should be.

    The rails were only made with eminent domain, Private Industry should not be able to screw people on it, or give preference to large companies over people and small ones.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (25 children)
  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Trains are a common special interest of people with autism.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Then I must be autistic then, because I love trains and dream of having high speed rail.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The California railroad museum is definitely one of the best in the country but if you want to see potentially the largest collection with lots of cosmetically and mechanically restored equipment, you have to check out the Illinois Railway Museum

    Of course if you're more into narrow guage the Colorado Railroad Museum is hard to beat. Or if you just want an epic train ride, take your pick of the Durango and Silverton, the Cumbres and Toltec or the Royal Gorge Route

    Personally I've been to the California Railroad Museum (back when they were still Orange Empire), the Illinois Railway Museum, the Cumbres and Toltec and the Colorado Railroad Museum. The IRM is great anytime but especially if you come during an event weekend like Labor Day or Memorial Day because they run their mainline and trolley loop at full capacity during the holiday weekends with as many as 8 trains running at once, but they also have enough accessible equipment even on weekdays when they just run a single electric interurban to make it still worth a visit. The Colorado Railroad museum whelmed me when I was there on a weekday, but I'm sure it's far more exciting on a weekend or event day with more going on. It's pretty small but has pretty unique collection (including 3! of the galloping gooses) Cumbres and Toltec was definitely a worthy bucket list ride, and when I was at the California Railroad Museum I joined a tour group, had the entire group split off, so the guide took me off the beaten path and gave me a really in depth tour of literally everything he has keys to and shared a ton of neat information about a lot of the equipment (such as the interurbans that were specifically built to serve one of the college campuses. As he put it "y'know how in Wisconsin bored college kids will go cow tipping? Well here they'd go street car tipping, so they built these to be much heavier so they couldn't be tipped and ran them exclusively at the campus")

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm really hoping the Colorado museum gets their wigwag fixed one of these days. Poor thing lights up but doesn't swing, probably needs new electromagnets.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There might still be an operating wigwag signal at Devils Lake State Park. When I was last there about a decade ago it was still there and operational (and for revenue service no less!)

    Otherwise the IRM has a really good collection of railroad signals. Many are actually in use on the mainline (so crews have to be familiar with even the biblically accurate railway signals along with all sorts of fun obscure variations. And if I remember correctly as you first enter and cross the streetcar loop and the steam shop/long barn sidings (long enough to store the entire Zephyr trainset on one track, as well as where quite a few cosmetically restored locomotives are stored including multiple articulated locomotives and a DDA40X) there's a wig wag protecting the crossing

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Oh, probably. And at the very least the Colorado museum also has the Delhi wigwag which does still work thankfully. The IRM has a ton of really cool crossing signals too for sure. While I'm a railfan, I'm also a total railroad crossing nerd lmao

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Yes, but how does that pertain to this picture, I would need like a before and after photo to know any context for this image, thank you for sharing, though I appreciate the response response

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In two parts.

    1. The before map would be of the only high speed train the US currently has, and it's the Acela Express. So, something like this.

    1. If lots of people are consuming Tylenol in day to day life, and it causes autism, and some autistic people love trains, then the US should have a system like the map posted.
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I always forget the Acela is technically a high speed rail. It would only actually be a tiny fraction of that line. Less than 10% of the line is HSR

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Acela trains are the fastest in the Americas, reaching 150–160 miles per hour (240–260 km/h) (qualifying as high-speed rail), but only for approximately 40 miles (64 km) of the 457-mile (735 km) route.

    That has to be the slowest high-speed rail in the world. 260km/h is not even that fast and it only reaches this speed for couple minutes.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    In short, the US has absolutely zero high-speed rail infrastructure - and barely any rail infrastructure at all compared to what it used to have and the size of the country.

    This was one of many proposed high-speed rail networks from (I think) the late 2000s/early 2010s, but the fledgling train companies were largely strangled or bought up and closed by freight rail, car, and fossil fuel companies, so nothing ever happened.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    OK, so it was like a real life who framed Roger rabbit situation, thank you for taking the time to explain

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Weird aside, but Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Is actually kind of base on a true story. Oil, tire, and car companies did actually conspire to dismantle Los Angeles' then extensive street car network, and then pretty much every other major American city too.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    China will swallow up everything. This is how useless that extremist, "fuck the peasants" ideology is. It just leads to being outcompeted heavily.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The rich are also really stupid and shortsighted. The consolidation of wealth leads to populism, which leads to authoritarianism.

    Have they not seen what happens when they clash with authoritarianism? They should look at Jack Ma and realize that, from a game theory perspective, if they just stand against tyrants and ease up on tax reform, they stand to preserve their power and wealth better...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We have rail infrastructure…it just happens all be mostly owned by freight rail companies

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  • We do, but it's really scaled back compared to what we used to have. There are so many scars of abandoned rail lines all over major cities where they were torn out and replaced with road infrastructure. So many central train stations that are shadows of their former selves.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My dumb ass thought this was a ticket to ride map for a minute.

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