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[–] 118 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Yall the history majors have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade

Source: am history major and have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade as have several classmates and other historians

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago* (31 children)

    I am not a history major, but I got a 5 on AP US History... and have degrees in Econ and Poli Sci.

    Basically, the last 10 years for me has been everyone I know thinking I am literally insane.

    And then roughly 90% of what I was saying would happen, has now happened, within +/- 2 years of when I said it probably would.

    None of them have bothered to apologize for being wrong, emphatically, derisivesly wrong, about basicsally everything, so, fuck em, and fuck this country honestly.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not only do they never apologize for being wrong, they never apologize for accusing you of wearing tinfoil when what you said would happen, happens.

    Then they continue telling you you're over-reacting about the current thing you're telling them.

    Its like consistently predicting the lottery numbers, and then arguing with you when they keep losing even though you tell them the winning number the day before every time.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People hate prophets especially when they are right

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    IIRC there was a funny tale ... in christian medieval times, it was illegal to tell the future. (like, fortune tellers and such)

    in the text i read, people predicting the future was seen as a "real" thing, i.e. they believed it really worked. they still didn't like it though. i wonder why.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Hey, uh, great wizard, perhaps you shouldn’t throw stones? ;)

    For real, though, witch hunts were always adventures in scapegoating. People are always easier to placate when you can redirect their fear and anger away from the establishment (whether that’s your chieftain, congregation, parish, fiefdom, governor, or king) and onto someone who can’t defend themselves. That’s usually the marginalised – the homeless, disabled, religiously ‘deviant’, or just annoying – because they can’t fight back. Bonus points if they have property or assets you can seize.

    It’s never been about beliefs, and it’s always been about taking from people who can’t defend themselves – and making them that way by separating them from their community. This is what sociopaths have always done when we put them in charge.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I feel for you, none of us are getting apologies of any kind, nor are we likely to get any accolades for being right. Shit sucks

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Fuck em, they are bad people.

    A friend would not mock someone for being mostly correct about things most of the time.

    This is the behavior of either an insecure person, an idiot, a narcissist, or some combo of all three.

    They also have low EQ and low self awareness and low empathy if they cannot figure out 1) how wrong they were and 2) how much they emotionally hurt you by being pigheadedly wrong.

    So maybe throw a bit of sociopathy in there too.

    Again, fuck em, they are bad people if it never occurs to them to apologize to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Way after the fact but sober question, are there people in your life that you know have realized you were right and you can tell but they don’t actually say it? I have one or three of them

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Nope. Not myself no.

    Most of the people who used to be in my life probably think I am dead, as I ghosted everyone.

    Without going in to a lot of detail, I got very tired of being a doormat in many other ways, absued in many other ways, some actually criminal, some resulting in serious physical injuries to myself, and I disappeared myself.

    Frankly, with few exceptions, if one of these people managed to contact me somehow, I would literally just demand they pay me to speak to me, and then after they pay me, I would change my phone number and/or move again, wipe out and redo my (ephemeral) online presence/accounts, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    serious question, if you have no acquaintances in the US anymore, what's keeping you from moving somewhere else?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I am crippled.

    Been doing physical therapy full time for about the last 6 months, I am making good gains, but uh, yeah, still got a ways to go... kinda hard to migrate when you cannot ambulate.

    Other than that, literally nothing, I have occasionally been unironically asking (on lemmy) if anyone in another country wants to do a sham marriage for months now.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have had friends start to freak out this term. I told them that most of this same stuff happened last term, you just didn't hear about it (or listen to what I was saying) for some reason. Granted, he's become much, much worse since our conversations in February because of SCOTUS backing him, but he had concentration camps last time as well.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I remember reading about them sterilizing migrant women in camps at the border last term and just staring at the wall for a good minute.

    Can't wait (/s) to see what escalations await us.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah. The news broke in 2020 during the later part of the election cycle, but the incidents started around 2018.

    A fourth of the population swore up and down it didn't happen ("But if it did, they shouldn't have been here illegally in the first place!"), a fourth said "I don't know who to trust so I'm going to ignore it 😔", a fourth said "I don't follow politics/I'm more worried about consumer prices", and a fourth was pissed.

    Welcome to American politics. Leave your sense of decency at the door.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, Trump did Jan 6th, said he wanted to be a dictator, Project 2025 outlined everything that was going to be, and is currently being done.

    It was not any kind of difficult to figure this out lately, unless one just prides themself on being ignorant or has some kind of unexamined onion layers of normalcy bias at the same they are angry and worried about how not normal things are.

    Oh well, cognitive dissonance is a bitch I guess, time for the Great Filter to attempt to cull that out of the gene pool.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They weren't voting for him, but they have kids and both work full time jobs. They just didn't know how bad it was. The media hides most of this stuff from the front page as well. You have to figure it out for yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Two books you might want to check out are The Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols and "The Tyranny of Merit" by Michael Sandel. Here is a link to his TED profile and talks. Both talk about why this is happening and how we got here. While somewhat depressing, I found both books very validating(? can't put a word to it) of all the frustration with family/friends these last years. Education has been gutted and imho real history is no longer taught. Add the internet and social media to the culture and suddenly everyone is an expert. In less than a year, he has destroyed the integrity, reputation and effectiveness of every federal agency made to keep us safe and let us sleep at night. The UN has been effectively neutralized by our vote on the security council. It's maddening beyond words and I'm scared shitless of what's to come.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I will try and check those out, thanks for the reading list =D

    But uh... yeah.

    I had a terrifying 'validation' moment when I realized that +/- 1 year of when I graduated Uni...

    That was the peak of average US literacy and math abilities.

    I have always gotten a lot of shit for describing myself as usually the most intelligent person I know personally, in the real, in most social situations I am in...

    And well now the chances of me personally running into someone on my level who is younger than me are approaching zero.

    Most people I meet, even doctors, other kinds of professionals... they do not believe me when I tell them I have two degrees and used to work for MSFT, a Fortune 500 logistics company, that I independently taught myself how to code in multiple programming languages and SQL, unrelated to my degrees, that I have enough knowledge to build a video game from "scratch" (yay Godot!), because I have also been making video game mods for two decades...

    They just think I am literally crazy and making it up, because I don't look or talk like a corpo type.

    Yep, I just love it here.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Sadly, us Americans and our Exceptionalism taught us that 'it couldn't happen here', and we are so arrogant as to truly believe we are somehow immune to the forces of history that broadly apply everywhere and at all times.

    Fucking oh well I guess, at least I can sleep soundly knowing that I tried my damndest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You sound exactly like who i imagine i would be if i had grown up in the US.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So when is the last chance to get out before it's too late?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As soon as you can. You will get no advance warning when it is no longer possible, that is the point of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Bro why are we not working together at this point

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've been busy crying, it's a lot easier than work and about as effective

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Same comrade, fucking same. If dragonball z abridged didn’t exist as a fun distraction I’d have collapsed by now. Don’t know how you’re doing it and mad respect

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Medication, running on anger, and long periods of dissociation.

    Also, a good social circle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can’t say I’m not envious, but I’m happy for you dude, out here doing work. I’m personally appreciative of all the stress you’ve taken on. Hard salute and I hope you can and do stay safe

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not much, honestly, especially as I don't live anywhere particularly important. But local political groups often need hands, and it makes me feel less useless, even if all it is is raising awareness and trying to connect at-risk folk with resources.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    refreshes frontpage/new for the 60th time today to see if the other shoe has dropped

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It definitely is falling though. I hope someone catches it before it hits the ground.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They will not. It's way too late.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's never too late unless we give in to cynicism and apathy. It is heart breaking that so many people already have given up the fight.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm sorry but it really is too late. The US government has access to all the money, information, and weapons they need to be 100x worse than Hitler. There is no chance this is stopped by overcoming apathy.

    The literal only hope is a coup, and I'm pretty sure that if it was going to happen, it would have already happened by now. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    So anyway, now may be a good time to:

    1. Reach out to our foreign friends and ask to help lobby their governments to provide refugee programs before we are cut off from the outside world.

    2. Look into decentralized mesh internet infrastructure.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Given the general trend of far-right everything, fat chance of 1 happening before it's too late. Better hope Mexico is taking people.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You're right that its a general trend, but there are exceptions.

    Australia presently has a progressive government, with the largest majority in living memory. Our conservative parties have been gutted.

    Granted, we have our share of dickheads, and id be happy to swap them for US lefties.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is obviously not an expectation on you personally, alone. But have you guys heard of fucking organising a coherent resistance?

    Please. You have nukes, and imperium over much of the world.

    Could you like, actually reform and not just roll over? We don't want you. (Well, other countries in general. Not that I'd want to prevent people fleeing, personally).

    A mass flight from the US is not a viable solution for the world. It'll be Gilead, and we'll all be fucked.

    Sincerely, from the provinces.

    (P.S. it's not super rosy here either, but at least it's just sparkling capitalism over here, and not full on fascism)

    It might be a good time to: fight like hell. Get involved in your local political groups organising to stop the rise of fascism. If you don't, then it's on you (collectively).

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That's me, with a degree in history, and a lifetime of watching it play out. My anxiety level has never been this high. This is not normal life, and we are absolutely careening towards disaster, and NOBODY at the top has the slightest idea how to drive this car. I don't think some of them are even smart enough to know what a car is, or how it works.

    I know where this all leads to. I know how many people have said "It will never happen in my beautiful country." Every German said that in 1939. In 5 years, entire cities were bombed to rubble, and millions of their fellow citizens were dead.

    In 1984, Sarajevo hosted the Olympics, and showed their beautiful modern city and nation to the world. In 1992, less that 10 years later, they were under siege in the Bosnian War:

    Lasting from 5 April 1992 to 29 February 1996 (1,425 days), it was three times longer than the Battle of Stalingrad and more than a year longer than the siege of Leningrad, making it the longest siege of a capital city in the history of modern warfare.[11]

    The Huns used to come to a beautiful city, and kill literally every single person. One day, the people are enjoying their lives, and the next day, every single one of them is dead.

    The horrors of war happen to normal cities all the time, throughout history. Too many people on both sides don't understand how easily it can happen to them. Nobody is immune.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    The US has been clearly moving downhill since 2001. But the acceleration they got this year has been incredible.

    And for everybody not there, remember they have the largest nuclear arsenal on Earth.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Largest conventional military as big as the rest of the world combined plus the nukes. The US is beyond scary.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I don't know how well their supply lines would cope against basically the entire world. But it's still scary.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Not the entire world, not by a long shot. Realistically the entire third world would have absolutely no problem trading with Trump's America, at least not any more than with business as usual America. Then you have Europe which is ran by pussies who would never go to war unless European mainland territory (i.e. not Greenland) is threatened, which would never happen, and Japan and South Korea are right out. This leaves the only realistic belligerents as Canada and/or Mexico if they're invaded, Venezuela and/or Iran if Trump picks a fight with them and China if and when they decide to take Taiwan. And of course throughout all this Russia would support America, providing easy access to resources and shipping. Point being: Even in a WWIII-ish scenario America will have plenty of people willing to give it resources for the war machine; the "against the entire world" thing is very eurocentric and unduly optimistic. Now that I'm typing this out, I'd honestly bet on America in WWIII.

    PS: Europe has plenty of fascists who would trade with America in such a scenario.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2001?

    Dude, it started long before that. One could argue that it was Newt Gingrich, and the Contract With America in 1994. Or the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, which allowed unregulated propaganda. Or 1986, when Rush Limbaugh's show proliferated around America, quickly becomes the Conservatives most successful recruiter and indoctrinator. Or in 1974, when the Republicans took advantage of the post-Watergate chaos, and passed a new tax code that baked in Trickle Down Economics.

    Personally, I maintain that it all started in 1968, when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. He would have ended the Vietnam War earlier, saving thousands of lives, and taken America in a completely different direction. Instead, Nixon was elected, and took us down the path of evil that has led to us being occupied by treasonous, corrupt, pedophile MAGA Nazis.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the failure to prosecute Nixon and the gang of criminals around him is where it started. If they were brought to justice back then everything would be different now. All of the breakdown we have now flows from the lawlessness that failure unleashed.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Damn, I just had the conversation with my partner saying this. The patriot act kicked all of this off. The invaded our privacy in the name of protection. We didn't get protection then and now we are being actively attacked.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Long before that. So much of what happened in the 50's and 60's is the same as today. Witch hunts, denouncing education for the wrong people (poors and women), surveillance, illegal wars and actions, detaining people for no reason, no checks and balances.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just enjoy the ride until it ends. People are worrying but there is not much anyone can do.

    The true test of being here is managing to stay a good person in the middle of a world telling you to become a bad one.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    right now

    I mean…

    • J6
    • QAnon
    • Unite the Right
    • Back The Blue (et al)
    • Chutkan swatting
    • Pelosi attack
    • Whitmer plot
    • Malheur
    • Gamergate
    • Birtherism
    • Tea Party
    • Patriot Act
    • Snowden
    • Abu Ghraib
    • George Lincoln Rockwell
    • John Birch Society
    • Goldwater
    • Reagan (and hell, the ways Carter teed him up)
    • Nixon
    • That whole white nationalist enclave project in the remote Northwest
    • …

    I think in many ways the people who paid attention are the least surprised.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    World Wide Financial Crisis ✅

    World Wide Pandemic ✅

    Fascist Take Over of a Super Power ✅

    History doesn’t repeat itself but it sure rhymes.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There's no way this shit doesn't spill over into Canada in horrifying ways.

    I am seriously considering leaving. Like, going and never coming back. Ever.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    When Spain collapsed into civil war in 1936 it didn't spill over into Portugal. But, Portugal had its own problems then, with a dictatorship starting in 1933 that lasted about 40 years.

    During WWII Austria was the first to fall to Germany, but there was at least some popular support for that. There would be virtually none for Canada joining the US at this point. Poland required an invasion, but they collapsed in almost no time. But, then there's Switzerland, which wasn't touched.

    Italian fascism never really spread beyond Italy. But, again, much of that was the Great Depression so other countries had unrelated problems of their own.

    If a unified US decided to invade Canada, there's nothing the Canadian military could do to stop it. But, if the US descends into a conflict between multiple factions and Canada stays neutral, it could avoid being invaded. IMO, one of the major reasons that Switzerland was never invaded during WWII was that it was useful for both the Axis and the Allies to have a neutral place nearby that was untouched by all the conflict. It's a place to get hard-to-get items when there's a blockade. It's a place where the elite can put their families where they're safe from the conflict, etc.

    No matter what happens Canada would be in trouble. The US is a major trade partner and the border has been something Canada hasn't had to worry about defending for a long time. But, there's a chance the worst of the chaos could remain on the other side of the border.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Great insight.

    I'd add that there are practical reasons no one invaded Switzerland, as well. It's borderline fucking impossible with all the mountains.

    In the sense that anything is possible it could obviously be invaded but the terrain would ensure that any attacker would pay very dearly for trying. Same was true in we2.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's borderline fucking impossible with all the mountains.

    Parts of it are, but there's the whole Swiss Plateau area that's just hilly. That whole area from Zurich through Berne to Lausane isn't too bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Makes sense.

    Still, someone who is willing to work with you and who would make you pay dearly for any land you conquered doesn't really make an appealing wartime target I'd imagine.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    From what I've read, the Germans did consider invading, and especially did consider attacking France by going through the Swiss plateau, but it wasn't necessary in the end.

    In the end, I think it was useful to have a neutral trading partner in Switzerland. I also don't think Switzerland would have been all that hard to conquer in the end. Switzerland imported (and still imports) most of their food, so they could have just starved them out if they weren't in a rush. An armed invasion might have been slowed by all the mountainous terrain and the tunnels and bridges which the Swiss defenders could destroy. But, considering they had the country surrounded, they could have just starved them out.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Too bad these MAGA failed out or peaked in high school. Then lost all that was "learned"

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Not just right now. For more than a year, at least, for the sweating. If they really paid attention, they'd be off packing their things and planning their escape.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, no. That was 2015. Then from 2016-2019 it was:

    Then from 2020 to 2023 it was:

    Then in 2024 it was:

    And now in 2025, it’s:

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    I barely paid any attention and even I know it's 1936 over there right now.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Is it weird that I actually was taught more of the history involved with current events in English class than a history class?

    Like every single essay outside of a legit book report on literature we were assigned, had to do with WW2 and/or major political issues like abortion and gun control.

    I actually took AP European History as an elective my senior year because I was so sick of everything in English abd regular history class being about 1 single war my country was involved in.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    For a long time now I have been saying that They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer is probably the most important book anyone can and should read. Now I feel like Cassandra.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not great in history but normal higher education in Europe...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nah this is all unique. This has definitely never happened anywhere else and they're are absolutely no parallels that can be drawn.

    The US is such an exceptional democracy, land of the free and all that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    If only it were that. This is an evolution of what happened then, and even though the descent is less drastic it has far more downward momentum because of what's involved. Given the most likely global victors this time around, the narrative shift that Europe is going to experience this time around is not going to look good.

    People think this is going to be World War III when the reality might be closer to the silence following the height of extinct civilizations, except involving the whole world and with a pending environmental catastrophe to displace humanity to boot.

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