Yall the history majors have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade
Source: am history major and have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade as have several classmates and other historians
Yall the history majors have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade
Source: am history major and have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade as have several classmates and other historians
refreshes frontpage/new for the 60th time today to see if the other shoe has dropped
It definitely is falling though. I hope someone catches it before it hits the ground.
They will not. It's way too late.
It's never too late unless we give in to cynicism and apathy. It is heart breaking that so many people already have given up the fight.
I don't read that comment as apathy, more an acknowledgement that fighting seems inevitable at this point. It's probably too late for a peaceful resolution to the current crisis.
It's not too late, but given how little resistance to Trump's regime is taking place in America, there's no indication that anything will happen before it's too late.
I'm sorry but it really is too late. The US government has access to all the money, information, and weapons they need to be 100x worse than Hitler. There is no chance this is stopped by overcoming apathy.
The literal only hope is a coup, and I'm pretty sure that if it was going to happen, it would have already happened by now. Hopefully I'm wrong.
So anyway, now may be a good time to:
Reach out to our foreign friends and ask to help lobby their governments to provide refugee programs before we are cut off from the outside world.
Look into decentralized mesh internet infrastructure.
Given the general trend of far-right everything, fat chance of 1 happening before it's too late. Better hope Mexico is taking people.
You're right that its a general trend, but there are exceptions.
Australia presently has a progressive government, with the largest majority in living memory. Our conservative parties have been gutted.
Granted, we have our share of dickheads, and id be happy to swap them for US lefties.
Don't have high hopes for my own fate, honestly. More interested in convincing our foreign friends to look after themselves and their own government. Take us as a lesson, first and foremost.
This is obviously not an expectation on you personally, alone. But have you guys heard of fucking organising a coherent resistance?
Please. You have nukes, and imperium over much of the world.
Could you like, actually reform and not just roll over? We don't want you. (Well, other countries in general. Not that I'd want to prevent people fleeing, personally).
A mass flight from the US is not a viable solution for the world. It'll be Gilead, and we'll all be fucked.
Sincerely, from the provinces.
(P.S. it's not super rosy here either, but at least it's just sparkling capitalism over here, and not full on fascism)
It might be a good time to: fight like hell. Get involved in your local political groups organising to stop the rise of fascism. If you don't, then it's on you (collectively).
That's me, with a degree in history, and a lifetime of watching it play out. My anxiety level has never been this high. This is not normal life, and we are absolutely careening towards disaster, and NOBODY at the top has the slightest idea how to drive this car. I don't think some of them are even smart enough to know what a car is, or how it works.
I know where this all leads to. I know how many people have said "It will never happen in my beautiful country." Every German said that in 1939. In 5 years, entire cities were bombed to rubble, and millions of their fellow citizens were dead.
In 1984, Sarajevo hosted the Olympics, and showed their beautiful modern city and nation to the world. In 1992, less that 10 years later, they were under siege in the Bosnian War:
Lasting from 5 April 1992 to 29 February 1996 (1,425 days), it was three times longer than the Battle of Stalingrad and more than a year longer than the siege of Leningrad, making it the longest siege of a capital city in the history of modern warfare.[11]
The Huns used to come to a beautiful city, and kill literally every single person. One day, the people are enjoying their lives, and the next day, every single one of them is dead.
The horrors of war happen to normal cities all the time, throughout history. Too many people on both sides don't understand how easily it can happen to them. Nobody is immune.
The US has been clearly moving downhill since 2001. But the acceleration they got this year has been incredible.
And for everybody not there, remember they have the largest nuclear arsenal on Earth.
Largest conventional military as big as the rest of the world combined plus the nukes. The US is beyond scary.
Yeah, I don't know how well their supply lines would cope against basically the entire world. But it's still scary.
Not the entire world, not by a long shot. Realistically the entire third world would have absolutely no problem trading with Trump's America, at least not any more than with business as usual America. Then you have Europe which is ran by pussies who would never go to war unless European mainland territory (i.e. not Greenland) is threatened, which would never happen, and Japan and South Korea are right out. This leaves the only realistic belligerents as Canada and/or Mexico if they're invaded, Venezuela and/or Iran if Trump picks a fight with them and China if and when they decide to take Taiwan. And of course throughout all this Russia would support America, providing easy access to resources and shipping. Point being: Even in a WWIII-ish scenario America will have plenty of people willing to give it resources for the war machine; the "against the entire world" thing is very eurocentric and unduly optimistic. Now that I'm typing this out, I'd honestly bet on America in WWIII.
PS: Europe has plenty of fascists who would trade with America in such a scenario.
And it is infinitely complex. MAGAs are too stupid to wield our military effectively.
2001?
Dude, it started long before that. One could argue that it was Newt Gingrich, and the Contract With America in 1994. Or the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, which allowed unregulated propaganda. Or 1986, when Rush Limbaugh's show proliferated around America, quickly becomes the Conservatives most successful recruiter and indoctrinator. Or in 1974, when the Republicans took advantage of the post-Watergate chaos, and passed a new tax code that baked in Trickle Down Economics.
Personally, I maintain that it all started in 1968, when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. He would have ended the Vietnam War earlier, saving thousands of lives, and taken America in a completely different direction. Instead, Nixon was elected, and took us down the path of evil that has led to us being occupied by treasonous, corrupt, pedophile MAGA Nazis.
I think the failure to prosecute Nixon and the gang of criminals around him is where it started. If they were brought to justice back then everything would be different now. All of the breakdown we have now flows from the lawlessness that failure unleashed.
Damn, I just had the conversation with my partner saying this. The patriot act kicked all of this off. The invaded our privacy in the name of protection. We didn't get protection then and now we are being actively attacked.
Long before that. So much of what happened in the 50's and 60's is the same as today. Witch hunts, denouncing education for the wrong people (poors and women), surveillance, illegal wars and actions, detaining people for no reason, no checks and balances.
Just enjoy the ride until it ends. People are worrying but there is not much anyone can do.
The true test of being here is managing to stay a good person in the middle of a world telling you to become a bad one.
It’s impossible to stay a good person if you’re just “enjoying the ride.”
Evil flourishes when good people fail to act.
Not much anyone can do? You're MAGA, right?
right now
I mean…
I think in many ways the people who paid attention are the least surprised.
World Wide Financial Crisis ✅
World Wide Pandemic ✅
Fascist Take Over of a Super Power ✅
History doesn’t repeat itself but it sure rhymes.
Me, as a Canadian, irl
There's no way this shit doesn't spill over into Canada in horrifying ways.
I am seriously considering leaving. Like, going and never coming back. Ever.
When Spain collapsed into civil war in 1936 it didn't spill over into Portugal. But, Portugal had its own problems then, with a dictatorship starting in 1933 that lasted about 40 years.
During WWII Austria was the first to fall to Germany, but there was at least some popular support for that. There would be virtually none for Canada joining the US at this point. Poland required an invasion, but they collapsed in almost no time. But, then there's Switzerland, which wasn't touched.
Italian fascism never really spread beyond Italy. But, again, much of that was the Great Depression so other countries had unrelated problems of their own.
If a unified US decided to invade Canada, there's nothing the Canadian military could do to stop it. But, if the US descends into a conflict between multiple factions and Canada stays neutral, it could avoid being invaded. IMO, one of the major reasons that Switzerland was never invaded during WWII was that it was useful for both the Axis and the Allies to have a neutral place nearby that was untouched by all the conflict. It's a place to get hard-to-get items when there's a blockade. It's a place where the elite can put their families where they're safe from the conflict, etc.
No matter what happens Canada would be in trouble. The US is a major trade partner and the border has been something Canada hasn't had to worry about defending for a long time. But, there's a chance the worst of the chaos could remain on the other side of the border.
Great insight.
I'd add that there are practical reasons no one invaded Switzerland, as well. It's borderline fucking impossible with all the mountains.
In the sense that anything is possible it could obviously be invaded but the terrain would ensure that any attacker would pay very dearly for trying. Same was true in we2.
It's borderline fucking impossible with all the mountains.
Parts of it are, but there's the whole Swiss Plateau area that's just hilly. That whole area from Zurich through Berne to Lausane isn't too bad.
Makes sense.
Still, someone who is willing to work with you and who would make you pay dearly for any land you conquered doesn't really make an appealing wartime target I'd imagine.
From what I've read, the Germans did consider invading, and especially did consider attacking France by going through the Swiss plateau, but it wasn't necessary in the end.
In the end, I think it was useful to have a neutral trading partner in Switzerland. I also don't think Switzerland would have been all that hard to conquer in the end. Switzerland imported (and still imports) most of their food, so they could have just starved them out if they weren't in a rush. An armed invasion might have been slowed by all the mountainous terrain and the tunnels and bridges which the Swiss defenders could destroy. But, considering they had the country surrounded, they could have just starved them out.
Too bad these MAGA failed out or peaked in high school. Then lost all that was "learned"
Not just right now. For more than a year, at least, for the sweating. If they really paid attention, they'd be off packing their things and planning their escape.
Yeah, no. That was 2015. Then from 2016-2019 it was:

Then from 2020 to 2023 it was:

Then in 2024 it was:

And now in 2025, it’s:

I barely paid any attention and even I know it's 1936 over there right now.
Is it weird that I actually was taught more of the history involved with current events in English class than a history class?
Like every single essay outside of a legit book report on literature we were assigned, had to do with WW2 and/or major political issues like abortion and gun control.
I actually took AP European History as an elective my senior year because I was so sick of everything in English abd regular history class being about 1 single war my country was involved in.
For a long time now I have been saying that They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer is probably the most important book anyone can and should read. Now I feel like Cassandra.
Not great in history but normal higher education in Europe...
Nah this is all unique. This has definitely never happened anywhere else and they're are absolutely no parallels that can be drawn.
The US is such an exceptional democracy, land of the free and all that.
If only it were that. This is an evolution of what happened then, and even though the descent is less drastic it has far more downward momentum because of what's involved. Given the most likely global victors this time around, the narrative shift that Europe is going to experience this time around is not going to look good.
People think this is going to be World War III when the reality might be closer to the silence following the height of extinct civilizations, except involving the whole world and with a pending environmental catastrophe to displace humanity to boot.
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