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People who paid attention in history class watching the US right now (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 118 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Yall the history majors have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade

Source: am history major and have been freaking the fuck out for over a decade as have several classmates and other historians

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago* (31 children)

    I am not a history major, but I got a 5 on AP US History... and have degrees in Econ and Poli Sci.

    Basically, the last 10 years for me has been everyone I know thinking I am literally insane.

    And then roughly 90% of what I was saying would happen, has now happened, within +/- 2 years of when I said it probably would.

    None of them have bothered to apologize for being wrong, emphatically, derisivesly wrong, about basicsally everything, so, fuck em, and fuck this country honestly.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not only do they never apologize for being wrong, they never apologize for accusing you of wearing tinfoil when what you said would happen, happens.

    Then they continue telling you you're over-reacting about the current thing you're telling them.

    Its like consistently predicting the lottery numbers, and then arguing with you when they keep losing even though you tell them the winning number the day before every time.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's like being Cassandra

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People hate prophets especially when they are right

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    IIRC there was a funny tale ... in christian medieval times, it was illegal to tell the future. (like, fortune tellers and such)

    in the text i read, people predicting the future was seen as a "real" thing, i.e. they believed it really worked. they still didn't like it though. i wonder why.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Hey, uh, great wizard, perhaps you shouldn’t throw stones? ;)

    For real, though, witch hunts were always adventures in scapegoating. People are always easier to placate when you can redirect their fear and anger away from the establishment (whether that’s your chieftain, congregation, parish, fiefdom, governor, or king) and onto someone who can’t defend themselves. That’s usually the marginalised – the homeless, disabled, religiously ‘deviant’, or just annoying – because they can’t fight back. Bonus points if they have property or assets you can seize.

    It’s never been about beliefs, and it’s always been about taking from people who can’t defend themselves – and making them that way by separating them from their community. This is what sociopaths have always done when we put them in charge.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I feel for you, none of us are getting apologies of any kind, nor are we likely to get any accolades for being right. Shit sucks

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Fuck em, they are bad people.

    A friend would not mock someone for being mostly correct about things most of the time.

    This is the behavior of either an insecure person, an idiot, a narcissist, or some combo of all three.

    They also have low EQ and low self awareness and low empathy if they cannot figure out 1) how wrong they were and 2) how much they emotionally hurt you by being pigheadedly wrong.

    So maybe throw a bit of sociopathy in there too.

    Again, fuck em, they are bad people if it never occurs to them to apologize to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Way after the fact but sober question, are there people in your life that you know have realized you were right and you can tell but they don’t actually say it? I have one or three of them

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Nope. Not myself no.

    Most of the people who used to be in my life probably think I am dead, as I ghosted everyone.

    Without going in to a lot of detail, I got very tired of being a doormat in many other ways, absued in many other ways, some actually criminal, some resulting in serious physical injuries to myself, and I disappeared myself.

    Frankly, with few exceptions, if one of these people managed to contact me somehow, I would literally just demand they pay me to speak to me, and then after they pay me, I would change my phone number and/or move again, wipe out and redo my (ephemeral) online presence/accounts, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    serious question, if you have no acquaintances in the US anymore, what's keeping you from moving somewhere else?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I am crippled.

    Been doing physical therapy full time for about the last 6 months, I am making good gains, but uh, yeah, still got a ways to go... kinda hard to migrate when you cannot ambulate.

    Other than that, literally nothing, I have occasionally been unironically asking (on lemmy) if anyone in another country wants to do a sham marriage for months now.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have had friends start to freak out this term. I told them that most of this same stuff happened last term, you just didn't hear about it (or listen to what I was saying) for some reason. Granted, he's become much, much worse since our conversations in February because of SCOTUS backing him, but he had concentration camps last time as well.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I remember reading about them sterilizing migrant women in camps at the border last term and just staring at the wall for a good minute.

    Can't wait (/s) to see what escalations await us.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Holy fuck.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah. The news broke in 2020 during the later part of the election cycle, but the incidents started around 2018.

    A fourth of the population swore up and down it didn't happen ("But if it did, they shouldn't have been here illegally in the first place!"), a fourth said "I don't know who to trust so I'm going to ignore it 😔", a fourth said "I don't follow politics/I'm more worried about consumer prices", and a fourth was pissed.

    Welcome to American politics. Leave your sense of decency at the door.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, Trump did Jan 6th, said he wanted to be a dictator, Project 2025 outlined everything that was going to be, and is currently being done.

    It was not any kind of difficult to figure this out lately, unless one just prides themself on being ignorant or has some kind of unexamined onion layers of normalcy bias at the same they are angry and worried about how not normal things are.

    Oh well, cognitive dissonance is a bitch I guess, time for the Great Filter to attempt to cull that out of the gene pool.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They weren't voting for him, but they have kids and both work full time jobs. They just didn't know how bad it was. The media hides most of this stuff from the front page as well. You have to figure it out for yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Two books you might want to check out are The Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols and "The Tyranny of Merit" by Michael Sandel. Here is a link to his TED profile and talks. Both talk about why this is happening and how we got here. While somewhat depressing, I found both books very validating(? can't put a word to it) of all the frustration with family/friends these last years. Education has been gutted and imho real history is no longer taught. Add the internet and social media to the culture and suddenly everyone is an expert. In less than a year, he has destroyed the integrity, reputation and effectiveness of every federal agency made to keep us safe and let us sleep at night. The UN has been effectively neutralized by our vote on the security council. It's maddening beyond words and I'm scared shitless of what's to come.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I will try and check those out, thanks for the reading list =D

    But uh... yeah.

    I had a terrifying 'validation' moment when I realized that +/- 1 year of when I graduated Uni...

    That was the peak of average US literacy and math abilities.

    I have always gotten a lot of shit for describing myself as usually the most intelligent person I know personally, in the real, in most social situations I am in...

    And well now the chances of me personally running into someone on my level who is younger than me are approaching zero.

    Most people I meet, even doctors, other kinds of professionals... they do not believe me when I tell them I have two degrees and used to work for MSFT, a Fortune 500 logistics company, that I independently taught myself how to code in multiple programming languages and SQL, unrelated to my degrees, that I have enough knowledge to build a video game from "scratch" (yay Godot!), because I have also been making video game mods for two decades...

    They just think I am literally crazy and making it up, because I don't look or talk like a corpo type.

    Yep, I just love it here.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Sadly, us Americans and our Exceptionalism taught us that 'it couldn't happen here', and we are so arrogant as to truly believe we are somehow immune to the forces of history that broadly apply everywhere and at all times.

    Fucking oh well I guess, at least I can sleep soundly knowing that I tried my damndest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You sound exactly like who i imagine i would be if i had grown up in the US.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So when is the last chance to get out before it's too late?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As soon as you can. You will get no advance warning when it is no longer possible, that is the point of it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Same.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Bro why are we not working together at this point

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've been busy crying, it's a lot easier than work and about as effective

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Same comrade, fucking same. If dragonball z abridged didn’t exist as a fun distraction I’d have collapsed by now. Don’t know how you’re doing it and mad respect

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Medication, running on anger, and long periods of dissociation.

    Also, a good social circle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can’t say I’m not envious, but I’m happy for you dude, out here doing work. I’m personally appreciative of all the stress you’ve taken on. Hard salute and I hope you can and do stay safe

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not much, honestly, especially as I don't live anywhere particularly important. But local political groups often need hands, and it makes me feel less useless, even if all it is is raising awareness and trying to connect at-risk folk with resources.

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