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[–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

AOC would receive my vote.

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    [–] 100 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    The DNC will absolutely shit all over her efforts. They'd rather lose the elections than have a progressive win.

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  • [+] -57 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Democratic voters don't want to waste their votes on another unelectable female presidential candidate.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    No, the people currently in the Democratic party don't want to rock the boat and maintain status quo. They have cushy jobs they don't want to lose to people that actually want to help fix things so they'll stand in the way in any way they can.

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  • I'm not saying that Americans won't think "oh, a third? really?" but you have to remember that Kamala fucking sucked. She was a pacifier the Biden administration threw at us to shut us up about him stepping down, and she knew she was, and if she cared at all, she lacked the strength to step out of line or say anything about it. Nobody believed she would meaningfully change their lives—that's ultimately why she lost.

    She lost to the fascist head of the new project 2025, and in her closing speech said something about the stars in the night sky and went on vacation. Pointing out that she's a woman before pointing out that she and the rest of her democrat cohorts do not have any beliefs is absurd.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As much as I'd love her to be president ... I agree - this country is not ready for a female president.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not with that attitude it isn't. It also wasn't ready for a black man to be president, a Catholic man, a disabled man, a gay man, etc.

    Also, in 2016 the majority of Americans did vote for a female president. This indicates perhaps it wasn't the right candidate rather than the wrong time.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Time after time we put our heads on the chopping block thinking this Tim it will be different. Do me a favor, save this and let me know how it goes if she somehow gets the nod from the DNC which she won't. But if she does and once again we lose to a repub you let me know how that went. I've heard plenty of women say they don't want a woman in office. I don't agree. But this country is not yet enlightened enough to make that happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Do you even realize that Hillary and Harris have similarities that aren't tits? What voters don't want is another corporate sellout.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    News flash - most voters aren't us progressives.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Except when you actually talk about policy they are. Ask someone "would you rather have free healthcare or means-tested subsidies for employer-sponored insurance purchased through 1 of 50 state-run websites. The plans change every year." "Should anyone be able to go to college without worrying about debt? Or should almost everyone take on random amounts of debt, and have no idea what that debt will be until they've already applied?"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I get where you are coming from, but I am not sure I agree. It would definitely be something to behold if it happened.

    I do share some of your pessimism about this though. I to think that AOC may be shunned by the DNC neo liberals.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right now I'm more interested in 2026. We need to be out there volunteering and promoting the DNC to hold seats and remove the GOP.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    she’s gonna have to primary gavin probably

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    If Gavin is the Democratic nominee, the country is 100% over. Even if he wins, another spineless corporate neoliberal will not be up to the job ahead.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    At this rate, there might already be civil war or at least no regular elections anymore in the US.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    We're already in it chief, just because there's no factions warring on the streets doesn't mean shit, there's stochastic terrorism happening on a regular basis, there's secret police disappearing people from their homes in the cover of darkness, and there's militias training for the next push forward. A fascist trained today, did you?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I can't wait for the DNC to pull a 2016 and tank her campaign for someone more "moderate"

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think this is the point she should start fearing for her life.

    A car accident or random violence could always just, y'know, happen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's rumored that the CIA hacked Michael Hasting's car and killed him before he could expose the CIA Director.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Controversy_over_alleged_foul_play

    Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard A. Clarke said that what is known about the crash is "consistent with a car cyber attack." He was quoted as saying: "There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers—including the United States—know how to remotely seize control of a car. So if there were a cyber attack on [Hastings'] car — and I'm not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it."

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    To all the "pragmatic" Americans will never vote for a woman crowd... There are already women in high positions of government all around the world, including Italy, not exactly a bastion of progressiveness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_government#Current_heads_of_state_or_government

    Hillary Clinton and Harris lost because they were terrible. Maybe the Dems should run a candidate who's not terrible??

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The “never a woman” crowd confuses me because I’ve never seen a president or my father take his dick out to fix anything.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Michelle Obama would crush Trump... But unsurprisingly the dems would rather lose.

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Michelle Obama only polls well because of name recognition, she's essentially a non-political figure.

    What's her position on the genocide in Gaza? What's her take on universal healthcare? What's her plan for Ukraine? Would she fight for gun control? Etc etc...

    Right now, people can imprint their personal beliefs onto Michelle. If she would run, she would have to clarify all of her political positions, and then her poll numbers would naturally drop.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Schumer better just retire

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think people underestimate how powerful it is to have a candidate that is even moderately attractive. Democrats are obsessed with running the oldest dinosaur they have because it’s “their turn”

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    running the oldest dinosaur they have because it’s “their turn”

    Nothing says "in touch with the needs of the American People" like making sure to enforce the written rules and unwritten customs of the line of noble succession everybody is waiting in. But they're lined up to take turns on a ride that burned down long ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Except when you realize that the last five Republican presidents have looked like: Annoying Orange with a cobweb toupee and a perfectly cylindrical body; the guy who bullied literally everyone in high school; an unholy combination of Jeff Daniels, age 70 on the right side and Jeff Daniels, age 40 on the left side; a washed up movie star with too many hours under the warming lamp; and the villain in a teen movie about having a bake sale to save the local dance hall.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Be honest with yourself. Of the candidates that have run in the last 20 years, who was the “most” attractive? Keeping in mind the majority of voters are boomers. With the exception of Kamala, the “attractive” candidate won. Hell go back even further, Al Gore won the popular vote, Clinton before that. You could argue that to win the presidency you just have to be the most attractive.

    Edit. I should have phrased it better. I meant of the 2 presidential candidates, not necessarily attractive in general.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Ok, last 20 years. So that's Obama v. McCain, Obama v. Romney, Clinton v. Trump, Biden v. Trump, and Harris v. Trump. Five elections: two featured probably the most attractive (or at least youngest) president in recent history winning, and the other three featured maybe the ugliest S. O. B. on God's green earth, who won twice. I feel like it's generally a tossup.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Really hope she does run for POTUS. She'd make a great President.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Have u learned nothing from the last 10 years. America is simply too racist and sexist and stupid, so fucking stupid, to accomplish this. She will probably be a great Commander in the Rebel Alliance though. In the coming civil war.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    I'd be happy to see her win. But, I don't think she would have a real shot in 2028.

    Even just ignoring the fact that she's a woman, relatively young and has non-centrist positions. It's not common for people whose only political experience is in congress to win the presidency.

    • Biden: Senator then VP
    • Obama: Senator
    • Dubya: Governor
    • Clinton: Governor
    • Bush: VP
    • Reagan: Governor
    • Carter: Governor
    • Ford: VP
    • Johnson: VP
    • JFK: Senator
    • Eisenhower: Supreme Allied Commander, Europe; Military governor of American-occupied sector of Germany
    • Truman: Senator then briefly VP
    • FDR: Governor
    • Hoover: Secretary of commerce, Director of the United States Food Administration
    • Coolidge: Governor then VP
    • Harding: LT Governor then Senator
    • Wilson: Governor
    • Taft: Governor of Cuba, Governor-General of the Philippines
    • Roosevelt: Governor then VP
    • McKinley: Governor
    • Cleveland: Governor
    • Harrison: Senator
    • Cleveland: Governor

    IMO, she really should first run for Governor of NY. Especially if Mamdami wins and she has a strong ally as mayor of NYC. Even a short term as Governor of NYC would give her experience as an executive, which she currently lacks.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This list is missing 45/47. If you add his qualifications to the list, then I guess reality show host, felon, rapist, etc are also presidential qualifications, but congressperson is still not one? I think it's safe to say all norms are out the window now and past performance is not anything to bet on going forward.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Maybe I'm an old timer around these parts, but I remember these same exact arguments being used against Obama. "He's only been a senator for two years, and what was he before that, a """community organizer"""?"

    In fact, I'm pretty sure she's got more political experience, on a national scale, than he did at the point where he as nominated.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Obama was a constitutional scholar. We can debate academic vs hands on, but he was well versed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    AOC is herself, pretty well educated:

    [In high school] She came in second in the microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in 2007 with a research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans.[23][24] In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the MIT Lincoln Laboratory named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[25][26] In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session. After graduating, she became the LDZ secretary of state while attending Boston University. Ocasio-Cortez had a John F. Lopez Fellowship.[27]

    That was before she even went to college

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm gonna focus on college and after. But it's not that just that Obama was educated, he was a practicing lawyer and professor steeped in constitutional law.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean she graduated cum laude from Boston University with a Bacheslors in International Relations and Economics

    That isn't nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Sigh. I didn't say it's not nothing. You're making up a strawman to argue against.

    I'm highlighting the extensive and impressive qualifications of Obama. They are massively different. You know I started typing more but there's no point in discussing when you are making up a strawman to argue against. Go look up Obama's education and career before being president.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hochul is towing the line well enough for now, and there's a progressive state politician who's potential run has kept her in check. I'd much rather see AOC primary Schumer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If the goal is to have some good democratic legislators, then probably AOC taking out Schumer would be good. If the goal is to have AOC elected president, she could use some experience as a governor.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I just hope their primaries keep some unity and don’t make her or Newson losing votes depending on the pick. Dems are too split inside and I could see neo-liberals not voting for her or lefties not voting for Newson. If Dems can’t find unity they will not win.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I consider myself a neoliberal, and I am going to vote for AOC. I have grown quite fond of her over the years and she is quite the politician these days. She’s extremely sharp and polished. I think she’s ready.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Neo-Liberaliam / Economic Liberalism is part of what got Trump elected. The sense that Capitalism was beyond the reach of meaningful governance, and will always just aid the wealthy getting wealthier - created a hunger for radical change.

    People end up just wanting radical change out of frustration, regardless of what direction that change takes (left or right). They just want a break in unrelenting Capitalism.

    Which explains why for many, Bernie, AOC, and Trump, were all likable/popular choices at the same time.

    Newsome as a moderating figure will prevent any strong shift away from the service of Capitalism as above all else, and hence is a huge danger to the politics of equilibrium. It's ratchet theory, keeps things stuck.

    ... Neo-Liberals should be embarrassed to admit who they are, because they caused this, by claiming that Capitalism and deregulation is a moderate position (steering the ship of state between the left and the right) - when infact that's an economic extremist viewpoint which excuses inept government and the corruptions of money... and when perpetuated infinitum as it is, it becomes the cause of voter radicalism.

    Neo-Liberal economic policies create the unshifting corruption and two-tier "too big to fail, too rich to jail" system that people want to vote against.

    In this sense Newsome is dead weight, representing Bidenism 2.0. Neo-Liberals should be ashamed of themselves for not just accepting their part in creating the quagmire, but wanting to continue it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    We’ve gotta do everything we can to prevent a Newsom or other craven neoliberal lunatic from getting the nomination, otherwise we are going to get a much much worse traitor lunatic next time around.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    America will not vote a minority woman as President in this century. They would never even vote for a woman.

    Right candidate, wrong country.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    both just did the exact same strategy that always costs the dems elections. Hilary won the popular vote, remember?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Popular vote isn't enough in the United states. Also, Hilary is Bill's wife. That's part of why she got as many votes as she did. If I was American, I would vote for AOC but I know she'd never win. A woman of colour has no chance down there. I hate saying it, but it is what it is.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    That's how parties that don't actually serve the majority end up dying. It's a flaw in democracy that it can be so easily corrupted by the wealthy classes.

    It ends up all being a sham, then a shame, then a dictatorship.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No, of course I would vote against the Republican if the Democrat were Newsom, that’s just common sense. I’m saying that we need to do everything we can to prevent him from being the nominee now, while we can still affect things.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The only thing I know for sure is that if the DNC has their druthers, (and there's an election at all) they will run a straight, white man.

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