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[–] 26 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Well, do you remember anyone from 1425 or even 1625?

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    The vast, vast majority of people are forgotten within 100 years. Pretty much need to be in an extremely high position where records are kept, like presidents, or do something extraordinarily positive or negative.

    I strongly doubt anyone reading this post will be remembered after the people they met or interacted with directly have died.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Or be a really shitty copper merchant

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Yeah, weird random chance makes a huge difference. Otzi was probably well known, but only hyper-regionally. Lucy was basically just an unusually smart animal, and that was millions of years ago.

    And just because you're forgotten for a bit doesn't mean you won't come back into style.

    Hmm. So if you want 15 minutes of fame a long time from now, what's some weird easter egg you can leave?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Archeologists actually dig up a lot of sex toys, believe it or not. That won't get you noticed.

    A time capsule with something that nobody else will think to preserve might do it. Way too many preserve things the future is actually meh about. I wonder if a weird data footprint might be even better at this point. Like, if you filled out some official form thousands of times just for fun, and someone a long time from now is doing analysis and turns it into a meme.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I actually have a geneology book (族谱) from my paternal lineage (everybody does this in China). Its just a bunch of names, and some history of the village summarized. I hate tradition and I'm already in the US right now, I dont give a shit about the stupid geneology book anymore, my ancesters will probably be so pisses to find out that I totally ignored all the hard efforts lol. (My village still has a copy, but I'm not adding more name to the stupid thing, a waste of time, its also misogynistic AF, if there's a daugher, then the lineage doesn't record their decendents. So dumb, as I guy, I hate this patriarchal bullshit)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Some aspects of that tradition are commendable, though. It would be neat to see this updated in a less male-centric fashion.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Sure, but what if the dead people are right? Statistically, they will be some share of the time.

    The catch is that that goes for all the various disagreeing traditions. Putting priority on your own is sus.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    With the U.S. only being 250 years old, I can't say anyone would remember presidents in 600 years. If the U.S. is gone there will likely be mention of 1 president that was in power when whatever came and took/changed it. During the planetary destruction revolution there was a plethora of wasteful greed. They called it an industrial revolution that ran rampant with greed and wastefulness.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    History preserved the names of heads of state from countries that had a much shorter existence or impact. 600 years might seem a long time to Americans but it's not that long for historical memory.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's quite sad tbh, we're all just tiny specks on the timeline of humans

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Perhaps but what is the value of human life? Being remembered of living and enjoying life? You won't be around to care that no one remembers you, but you are here to enjoy life right now. So why be bothered by what people in 600 years are up to.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    To be fair I don't remember anyone from 600 years in the future.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another."

    No one needs to remember me except my kids. Maybe my grandkids.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I imagine some archivists might find the lost fragments of this server is some ruins and by some miracle, maybe extract this very thread.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We all will be living inside the weights of LLMs from this era.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ok that's actually an interesting use of AI. Train on only media from that time period. This is Daniel, from the year 1400. Tell me about the Catholic Church

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ngl I don't know if the earth will even be inhabitable in 600 years

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    There's a running phrase that gets' mentioned a lot in the Peanuts comic strip: "500 years from now, who'll know the difference?"

    Just wanted to mention that. Peace ✌️

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I will write a blog complaining about copper prices. If my sources are correct I will be remembered forever.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Doesn't even take that long. My parent passed away and left boxes of pictures from 50 to 75 years ago and no one recognizes. Why did they have these pictures and boxes of them? No notes. Nothing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don't think humanity is going to make it another 600 years tbh

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think humans might, but we won't have fancy skyscrapers, we'll be living in bunkers hiding from whatever disaster (war, plague, radiation, alien invasion) is on the surface.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I find it odd that natural disaster isn't on your list considering it's by far the most realistic scenario. Hell, it's already happening.

    I guess the word "natural" isn't very accurate for a climate disaster, but still, it's not on your list.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Technically, climate change by itself isn't what will destroy civilization, its the aftermath, mainly, the crops wouldn't be able to grow properly in a fucked up temperaure, weather, ecosystem...

    Similar to "old age" in humans, nobody "dies of old age" in of itself, rather, its the complications that result from old age.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    They may not remember us by our names, but they'll be able to see the effects of the choices we made.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I am doing Genealogy as a hobby and in most of the lines I am in the 18the century, in some in the 17th century.

    What I learned during this hobby is a simple thing - the more generations you go back, the more ancestors you have - the formula is 2^n. So if you go back 10 generations, you have roughly 1,024 ancestors.

    Now imagine how many descendants these people have? I have met plenty of others nerds who are also doing genealogy, cousins by 7the grade and so on. There is always some dude doing this stuff, so I am pretty sure there will be one in the future.

    Of course I can only go back about 300-350 years, but we people today are leaving way more traces on this planet than my ancestors in the 17th century.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    the formula is 2^n

    This breaks down eventually. Eventually, incest.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I have a geneology book dating back 20 generations. Its all in tradition chinese and kinda blurry and I kinda never learned most of the charcters besides the basics. But I skimmed it and aparantly it dates back to 1200s. A lot of mention about emperors and stuff. Unfortunately I can't share it with y'all since that's kinda doxxing and I posted too much political stuff on Lemmy.

    It's only the male ancestors, patriarchy and all, ya know.

    Honestly, besides the snippets if history, I don't know what the point of the whole name lists is. Can't even find the aunts on there, what good is that for.

    Like... there's not even a portrait (like a hand drawn one), just a bunch of names. What, am I gonna use that inherit some long lost magical kingdom that's gonna appear out of nowhere? Am I the Dragonborn? No lolz. I can't understand "tradition"

    I guess its cool for declorations, make the house look ancient and mysterious?

    The original is alresdy falling apart lol (probably not the original original, probably copied at least 5 times already, no way it survived 800 years), then all the genology books in the village kinda got consolidated into one big one containing all households. Everyone in the village has the same last name (I think). Y'all get to have sex in highschool, back in the days, people didn't get to choose, my parents kinda just got introduced to each other and they wete pressured to marry. Its technically consensual, but if they reject, they are just gonna introduce you to someone else. Kinda reminds me of the beginning of House of Dragon (except the part about being royalty of course, we are all just ordinary people). And my parents yell at each other a lot, kinda a fragile marriage... 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    That is pretty impressive!

    So let me explain what my motivation is... I am not so much interested in origin. I don't feel any connection to the ancestors I do not know, which starts with my great grandparents. I don't even know my grant parents, however, there is a bound through my parents, who were brought up by them. So their character, how they see their world etc. is influenced by my grand parents.

    Now, this is limited to my grand parents, we are speaking of a period of roughly 100 years. What about the ancestors before that time? My family tree is mostly made out of dates like you said, baptisms, marriages, deaths. A huge list of more or less random people that have nothing to do with me.
    However, I am using these people to tap into the historical contexts they were born in.

    My family is entirely made out of day laborers in Germany. There are a few masons, but most of them day laborers, the lowest class you can imagine. Usually, when you study history, you are looking through a certain perspective. In Germany this will most likely be counts and dukes, aristocracy, wars, territories etc. - but not so much about the poor people. My genealogical research is basically opening a new window for me, to view history from another perspective. I collected an extensive collection of literature about the weirdest little villages and stories you would never even have heard of, if you'd just follow the "traditional" way like history is taught in schools.

    I hope this explains it a bit!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    They will if I eat the Mona Lisa

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    History from this period will feast or famine. If the Internet Archive is preserved long term, then your words on the Internet will be there. If not, then bitrot will happen within decades.

    The feast result will be an interesting one for historians. We don't usually have historical records about common people of any era more than a century or two back. "History is written by the victors" isn't quite right. History is written by writers, and for most of history, those would be educated upper class people.

    Historians love finding Roman graffiti, even when it's about some guy's giant cock. So yes, they'll be interested in your memes, too.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Brave of you to assume that humanity will exist in 600 years.

    Actually, we might be, but the better-off ones will be back at sticks and stones and huddling around wood fires and the like.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I really doubt this. Humanity is really good at surviving things.

    My prediction - at a certain point, we gain the ability to port human brains to computers. The most wealthy gain this tech first, and effectively become immortal. Using their wealth (which is likely always accumulating) they are able to afford lots of redundency and good tech + energy to function at extremely high levels of performance - essentially making them immortal gods. I assume they will form alliances and rivalries, and stake out ground based on the now-general-intelligence AIs they have created.

    Most people who choose transhumanism after this will need to utilize their afterlife continuing to work in order to pay for the ongoing cost of running their servers.

    Meanwhile, humans still made of meat will have started conducting experiments on their genetics. Initially this will be about simply reducing or removing the chance of carrying a genetic disease. But soon they will start working on how to generally be better than others - improved cognitive abilities; sexier, stronger bodies; improved emotional regulation. Not long after, it will start being considered irresponsible to have children without the standard genetic modifications that the middle class can afford. Permanent class stratifications will be etched into dna. Even further along, the rich take genetic modification into fashion, creating physical markers of class stratification which will gradually make them look less human. As genetic class differences widen, there will be increasing class wars - in each one, the upper classes and those aligned with them will eliminate more and more of the lower classes. Slavery will also make a comeback, as those without genetic modifications (or with sufficiently lesser modifications) will be deemed too irresponsible to manage their own affairs and function in society. The descendents of the ultra-rich transhumanist gods, who will have the best and most fashionable genetic modifications, will be the first to achieve immortality in the flesh. But there will probably develop a sort of cultural expectation that they eventually give up their flesh and become transhumans like their anscestors.

    Therefore, I will not have children unless I earn enough to afford their genetic modifications. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that even human tho?

    Like the scientist who invented it will say its human, but from an ontology perspective, you can't ever be sure about that. That could just be killing you and copying your brain.

    No way in hell I'm gonna "upload" my brain. It's suicide. Star trek teleporters are murder machines.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Isn't this the plot of Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling, the rich Mechanists that extend their life through machines vs the Shapers who rely on genetic modifications. Love, Death and Robots adapted a few short stories from this books universe that were very good

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No idea, never heard of it. It just seems obvious to me with the way tech is going.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The only thing I find hard to believe in is DNA manipulation tech becoming affordable enough for the masses to choose to get it themselves, more likely it will be forced upon people to turn them into useful slave labor

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I don't want to brag, but I've made a meme or two that got dozens of up votes. It's basically immortality. I'm sure there will be statues and monuments of me by then.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You never know, look at Ea Nasir.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    yes, but only the biggest brightest bonfires.

    will charlie kirk be known? nah. will Donald Trump be known? absolutely.

    the bigger the bonfire, the more damaging it is to society.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I barely think Trump will be remembered. In 600 years we'll have a completely different economic/political system. I can't image our quaint ideas of 'nations' lasting much longer. This economic/political system was a flash in the pan from just after the Napoleonic wars till about now. I'm not sure what will come soon, but we've been stuck with an antiquated system now for over 70years.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ever heard of Genghis Khan? How about King Solomon? Judas ring a bell? Pharaoh Akhenaten?

    "But trump isn't nearly as bad as half those people"

    Just wait. The worst is yet to come.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How much do you know about Francis II, that last Holy Roman Emperor? A few people read about him, but he’s not that common of a name.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you have heard of them

    doesn't matter if I know their claim to fame. it's about name recognition. at least that's all OP was asking for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Without googling, can you tell me who Hideki Tojo is?

    It's not that hard of a question and a lot of people willing know him, but unlike with say Hitler or Jesus, I also think there's a lot who isn't recognise the name at all.

    Ofc it's probably not hard to guess the context here, but still. The point is about name recognition. I wonder how familiar the teenagers of today are with Reagan or Nixon. Clearly on a meme basis the names are still recognised. But in 100 years, after a half a dozen more Trumps?

    Prolly less so.

    Anyways I agree with the other guy that it's completely possible if not likely history will have ignored Trump in 600 years time.

    But I guess none of us will be around to see that. Although I wouldn't be 100% sure of that either.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I don't really want to be remembered for generations, if I am that means that statistically I was a bastard

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Few people left who remember me now already

    I'll be forgotten once me, my wife, my family and my few friends die, so left say nobody will know me or my accomplishments 50 years from now, tops.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No, but AIs will be able to generate a statistically accurate simulacrum of a set of people like us.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Not me.

    But from this echo chamber, it surely seems like the current us president will live in infamy. Think about online debates over who was worst president ever: now it’s clear. And if he truly is accelerating the fall of the American century, then yes, he’ll be taught about ins cho for centuries to come

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you think that's important?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Depend depends upon the reason That they’re being remembered. For example of someone who came up the cure for cancer you would hope they’d be remembered.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd rather the cure be remembered than that name of who discovered it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No, and I'm thankful for that

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Gods no. Who would want to know about me in the future?

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  • Depends how big you fuck up.

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