...or Do Not Play
way ahead of you there, guy
...or Do Not Play
way ahead of you there, guy
I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.
After the borderlands 3 trainwreck it seems weird that people are apparently buying BL4
It's hard to consider an 81 on OpenCritic to be a trainwreck. People tend to buy games that review well, especially when it's a co-op shooter with basically no competition.
Damn I had to look that up cause it seemed unbelievable. I am shocked it reviewed that well. It just seemed so awful to me.
Am I so out of touch?? No, the children are.
Nah, that game's great. The writing's not good, especially for the villains, but people like that game because it's good.
You aren't out of touch. Even the worst games don't get that poor of a review. When you job depends on being on their side, it turns out you can't voice an honest opinion.
bl3 is a fine game. its just critics of it are so very vocal that nobody feels like saying they like it.
I honestly don't know what this "trainwreck" talk is. BL3 was passable. I didn't like the antagonists, but the game played fine if purples dropped way too much and the new guns weren't great. People make it seem like it was the Worst Game Ever and I don't get it. The pre-sequel was hot garbage, but 3 was fine.
there's no nuance in anything anymore. you can't just say "oh this isn't really for me, honestly."
you have to write 18 paragraphs about the fall of the video game industry because of this one game and how its hot trash, kills newborns while they sleep, etc.
From what I hear from people actually able to play the game, it's better than 3.
Something like:
2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > Pre-Sequel
Was going to say... Who is out there buying games way outside their machines' specs? Seems pretty straightforward.
I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn't for nothing.
There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren't using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead. Hell, go back and play BL1. I'm pretty sure that thing runs on a toaster.
This game goes into the twenties on a freaking 4070 at 1440 on high settings and doesn't even get 60 at medium settings
Now let's take a look at the "recommended specs" Randy put out there
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT / Intel Arc B580
Sorry but when in the world is that even remotely acceptable that you consider last Gen was outside machine specs when the developers said sure two generations ago is perfectly fine, which btw, holy crap it's not.
I have a 3090 in a 7800x3d box with 64 gb ram and I had to drop from 7680x2160 to 3840x1080 to get decent framerates. I get better performance in Star Citizen. After a few CTD's I just went ahead and got a refund.
There’s a difference between a game being way outside of your specs because it’s graphically very advanced and your hardware is old, and a game just being unoptimized slop that expects its users to deal with by throwing higher specs at a fixable problem.
I have a brand new 5070ti that can play all kinds of UE5 games with much better graphics than BL4 at 4k resolution with ray tracing at a decent frame rate without relying on frame gen. And I’m in the top few percentiles here.
UE5 can run fine on older hardware, but most devs either aren't given the time to properly optimize or don't give a fuck about it and would rather rely on upscaling and frame gen tech.
I swear I have no idea why they let him talk. He doesn't even own the company, surely someone at 2K could just go... you know... shush.
I don't even think the BL4 thing is that bad, on the face of it. There is really no need to make it worse.
"We have been made aware of some performance issues in certain systems in our new release, we'll be looking into performance improvements in future patches". It's not that hard. At this point just copy/paste whatever the other thousand UE5 games said, go fix the wonky precompilation boot step and stop digging a hole.
Hell, it's even easier than that, because they have actually pretty much put that out. All he really needed to do was shut up about it.
I have come to accept that this is a PR campaign to plaster the name everywhere all over social media and let it worm its way into currently pissed off gamers' heads for a few months down the line when they've calmed down and inevitably buy the fucking thing.
Pitchford is a slimeball. Rarely has a man who is allegedly not an insurance or used-car salesman given off such nakedly scummy vibes.
We need to stop giving free publicity to this little marketing man, and to this poorly optimised, expensive game.
Not casting aspersions towards you personally, but we all know how gamer boycotts go generally. As in, they don't. People cave and buy the games anyway, once they're over the initial outrage. This is 100% marketing.
We'll see how it comes out in the sales figures, I suppose! I would like to believe you're right but I just have absolutely not a jot of faith that people will stick to their outrage. 😂
The game is grossly overpriced and infected Denuvo malware. Those things are all symptoms of Randy Pitchford being involved. I’ll pass.
The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn't and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don't have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.
Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…
Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.
I could be wrong, but doesn't he own the company?
He wasn’t the only founder and Embracer bought them in 2021. Later TakeTwo acquired the studio when Embracer had to restructure. They operate under 2k now so he can most surely be fired.
Also probably why he is even more of a cocky cunt nowadays. He already cashed out.
Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?
Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.
At least he didn't punch anyone this time.
Nor did he leave a USB stick containing sensitive design data and camgirl porn at a Medieval Times
Things are looking up for ol' Randy
True, no physical punches just metaphoric ones to every gamer right in the genitals with his BS yet again.
BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).
Edit: It was only DLSS enabled and not Frame Gen. I was able to get to ~90 FPS with most everything on low and frame gen off.
Holy shit you get 80 fps with frame gen on with a 4090? What resolution?
2560 × 1440
Holy fuck that is so much worse than I realized it was. What a joke.
According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I'm not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it's definitely ass, I just don't think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they've done with their computer to get such poor performance.
That doesn't really seem to contradict the other person's claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person's pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I'm not sure what your point is.
A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person's performance claim believable.
And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that's hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you'd say I'm full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?
My point is you can't take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they're omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you're just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn't fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.
But my guy, you provided context which shows that Borderlands 4 does run like shit on a 4090 in a lab environment.
Borderlands 3 on highest settings with a 4090, a worse cpu, at 1440p ran at 210 average fps.
You telling me that Borderlands 4 looks good enough compared to 3 to explain a 143 fps drop?
What's crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I've got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I'm getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.
This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.
Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won't. Enjoy head casing about that.
I am going to need to double check my settings then. I might have only enabled DLSS and not frame gen.
I've got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It's 60fps but I'm cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it's steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.
I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.
Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.
When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn't good performance.
It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It's at the point it's weird he still has a job
It's got Denuvo running
That's probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It's an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn't optimize any further themselves.
Sorry I can't hear you Randy. I am playing silksong and after that, I am doing another BG3 playthrough.
Welp, that's what I did. Got my money back. I'll buy it when it's $19.99.
I was going to do that originally but now I'm never playing it.
I'm not going to punish the entire development team just because he's a tool.
They got paid already and most of them will be laid off or moved to different projects by the time the games is $20.
I'm enjoying the game. And yeah, a lot of cool folk work there. Sure a few suck, but there are a lot of neat humans that poured their heart into this game.
I also haven't had a single issue on a two year old mid-tier laptop so i can't empathize with the fuss over performance. I'm sure there are older machines out there that wont run it at 1000FPS or whatever.
At the end of the day, it's a game. Calm tf down and play something else rather than raise your blood pressure over something so relatively trivial.
Deep breath people. It's a game. Support it or don't. Edginess not required for this decision.
It's not that he's a tool it's at the game it has poor performance. And being a tool is just a guarantee that issue will never be fixed.
So in a way I kind of do blame the team, they must have done testing they know what the performance is like.
You should get it for free elsewhere. Don't give this asshole your money.
Why is he like this?
For a long time he was told by everyone in public and in private that he was awesome and perfect, and the greatest game developer, which made him a ton of money and very famous. Now his latest game is failing and his overinflated ego is panicking.
Really? Was that a long time ago?
Seems to me he and Gearbox have been in lots of shit for a while now (the infamous USB drive, serious plagiarism accusations when Borderlands did an artistic 180 during development, Alien : Colonial Marines released broken as hell after funneling its funding to make BL2, Duke Nukem Forever...)
And every time Pitchford's (mostly unnecesary) public answer has been terrible.
As far as DNF goes, it was probably an easy profit for the company. They bought it from 3D Realms and patched it up into something releasable. I doubt they spent a lot on the deal. It didn't have to sell many copies for them to hit break even.
Not a bad business decision, and I'm glad that development story had a definitive ending.
his new game is failing. He must keep it in the zeitgeist for as long as possible. This is just some guy trying to be relevant
Oh look the piece of shit opens its mouth again.
We understand you stumbled dick first into your position of power. Now please shut the fuck up, you somehow sentient sludgeball.
Considering i didn't bother to buy anything borderlands related since Borderlands 2, it will keep preety muchbthe same for me
Same, got 1&2 on a humble bundle. I remember one running great, and 2 bearable on a 1gb netbook att. Cell shaded games shouldn't be this resource intensive!
I haven't played 4, but I played 1, 2, and a bit of the presequel or whatever it was called. They were essentially all the same game. Run, shoot, run, shoot, hear vaguely off-color joke, run, shoot. Is there any particular reason to bother with an overpriced remake of the same old game? Is there a reason for worrying about 4KUHD textures on a game where the aesthetic is cartoony? If you're a 9 year old who's never played, and it's all on mom's dime, I could see being tricked into buying it by the advertisers, but why is anyone else excited about it?
Any interest I had in the game, which was already fairly minimal, was completely obliterated when the price was announced.
30 seconds of fun repeated, the golden rule. The games fun as fuck.
I played the hell out of the first Borderlands (including New Game+ across all expansions), but promptly bounced off 2 & Pre-Sequel because it literally just felt like more of the same and I was already sated.
BL3 and now BL4 are literally just more of the same, but with ever increasingly more egregious monetisation.
2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.
I think that was the one that started in an ice zone, if I remember correctly? I literally couldn’t get past it because I find that aesthetic quite boring…
Started with 2, liked it, hated 3, now playing 4 since yesterday with a friend and gameplay wise it has a bunch of changes/improvements. So if someone enjoys the gameplay its good. I mean cod and battlefield and fifa are also nearly the same game every time ;)
Of course the borderlands guy would look like that
You ain't exactly handsome yourself bud😅
Randy Pitchfork looks like a mix of the first second generation employee of blizzard (aka Piratesoftware) and Steve buscemi
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