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[–] 118 points 1 year ago (12 children)

...or Do Not Play

way ahead of you there, guy

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Couldn't have been less interested. Borderlands hasn't been remotely interesting since 2 and everything since then has been a soulless cash grab.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I played an hour of the first game and that was enough for me, so I'm not exactly their target demo anyways.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    First game was just Diablo 2 but FPS with guns. But I can totally respect anyone that didn't jive with that. The humor was very hit and miss and definitely made but a group of people who insisted they were hilarious.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hard disagree.

    Pre-Sequel, 3 and Wonderlands have all been great games that I had lots of fun with. I also know I'm going to have upwards of 100 hours of fun with 4. That's what makes this whole story even more frustrating...

    But I'm a patient gamer. I played the previous BL games years after they came out. I'll do the same for this one - not because I can't afford a 60€ price tag but because articles like this. Sad.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Wonderlands

    Interesting. To me that game was just the worst:

    Unskippable, long, very very very long, boring dialogues.

    Shitty weapons, but fantasy. E.g. no oomph feeling when you hit the enemy with a large ice explosions. It just scraps a little of their health.

    Boring, unchallenging fights.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Their games are so bad now that it would be better to not play them.

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    After the borderlands 3 trainwreck it seems weird that people are apparently buying BL4

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's hard to consider an 81 on OpenCritic to be a trainwreck. People tend to buy games that review well, especially when it's a co-op shooter with basically no competition.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Damn I had to look that up cause it seemed unbelievable. I am shocked it reviewed that well. It just seemed so awful to me.

    Am I so out of touch?? No, the children are.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I honestly don't know what this "trainwreck" talk is. BL3 was passable. I didn't like the antagonists, but the game played fine if purples dropped way too much and the new guns weren't great. People make it seem like it was the Worst Game Ever and I don't get it. The pre-sequel was hot garbage, but 3 was fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    there's no nuance in anything anymore. you can't just say "oh this isn't really for me, honestly."

    you have to write 18 paragraphs about the fall of the video game industry because of this one game and how its hot trash, kills newborns while they sleep, etc.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Was going to say... Who is out there buying games way outside their machines' specs? Seems pretty straightforward.

    I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn't for nothing.

    There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren't using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead. Hell, go back and play BL1. I'm pretty sure that thing runs on a toaster.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This game goes into the twenties on a freaking 4070 at 1440 on high settings and doesn't even get 60 at medium settings

    Now let's take a look at the "recommended specs" Randy put out there

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT / Intel Arc B580

    Sorry but when in the world is that even remotely acceptable that you consider last Gen was outside machine specs when the developers said sure two generations ago is perfectly fine, which btw, holy crap it's not.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    There’s a difference between a game being way outside of your specs because it’s graphically very advanced and your hardware is old, and a game just being unoptimized slop that expects its users to deal with by throwing higher specs at a fixable problem.

    I have a brand new 5070ti that can play all kinds of UE5 games with much better graphics than BL4 at 4k resolution with ray tracing at a decent frame rate without relying on frame gen. And I’m in the top few percentiles here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    UE5 can run fine on older hardware, but most devs either aren't given the time to properly optimize or don't give a fuck about it and would rather rely on upscaling and frame gen tech.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I swear I have no idea why they let him talk. He doesn't even own the company, surely someone at 2K could just go... you know... shush.

    I don't even think the BL4 thing is that bad, on the face of it. There is really no need to make it worse.

    "We have been made aware of some performance issues in certain systems in our new release, we'll be looking into performance improvements in future patches". It's not that hard. At this point just copy/paste whatever the other thousand UE5 games said, go fix the wonky precompilation boot step and stop digging a hole.

    Hell, it's even easier than that, because they have actually pretty much put that out. All he really needed to do was shut up about it.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have come to accept that this is a PR campaign to plaster the name everywhere all over social media and let it worm its way into currently pissed off gamers' heads for a few months down the line when they've calmed down and inevitably buy the fucking thing.

    Pitchford is a slimeball. Rarely has a man who is allegedly not an insurance or used-car salesman given off such nakedly scummy vibes.

    We need to stop giving free publicity to this little marketing man, and to this poorly optimised, expensive game.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not casting aspersions towards you personally, but we all know how gamer boycotts go generally. As in, they don't. People cave and buy the games anyway, once they're over the initial outrage. This is 100% marketing.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    The game is grossly overpriced and infected Denuvo malware. Those things are all symptoms of Randy Pitchford being involved. I’ll pass.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn't and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don't have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Anyone that remembers Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever knows that Randy Pitchford is garbage. He also ran off most of the talent behind BL1 and BL2, which is why BL3 writing was shitty.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Countdown to him getting fired in 3…2…3…4…8…49…

    Because companies ultimately seem to love leaders that are toxic these days.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I could be wrong, but doesn't he own the company?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He wasn’t the only founder and Embracer bought them in 2021. Later TakeTwo acquired the studio when Embracer had to restructure. They operate under 2k now so he can most surely be fired.

    Also probably why he is even more of a cocky cunt nowadays. He already cashed out.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

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  • [–] [S] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    At least he didn't punch anyone this time.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).

    Edit: It was only DLSS enabled and not Frame Gen. I was able to get to ~90 FPS with most everything on low and frame gen off.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Holy shit you get 80 fps with frame gen on with a 4090? What resolution?

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    Holy fuck that is so much worse than I realized it was. What a joke.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I'm not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it's definitely ass, I just don't think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they've done with their computer to get such poor performance.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That doesn't really seem to contradict the other person's claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person's pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I'm not sure what your point is.

    A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person's performance claim believable.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that's hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you'd say I'm full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?

    My point is you can't take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they're omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you're just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn't fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    But my guy, you provided context which shows that Borderlands 4 does run like shit on a 4090 in a lab environment.

    Borderlands 3 on highest settings with a 4090, a worse cpu, at 1440p ran at 210 average fps.

    You telling me that Borderlands 4 looks good enough compared to 3 to explain a 143 fps drop?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What's crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I've got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I'm getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.

    Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won't. Enjoy head casing about that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It's 60fps but I'm cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it's steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.

    I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.

    When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn't good performance.

    It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It's at the point it's weird he still has a job

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    That's probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It's an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn't optimize any further themselves.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sorry I can't hear you Randy. I am playing silksong and after that, I am doing another BG3 playthrough.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Welp, that's what I did. Got my money back. I'll buy it when it's $19.99.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I was going to do that originally but now I'm never playing it.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm not going to punish the entire development team just because he's a tool.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm enjoying the game. And yeah, a lot of cool folk work there. Sure a few suck, but there are a lot of neat humans that poured their heart into this game.

    I also haven't had a single issue on a two year old mid-tier laptop so i can't empathize with the fuss over performance. I'm sure there are older machines out there that wont run it at 1000FPS or whatever.

    At the end of the day, it's a game. Calm tf down and play something else rather than raise your blood pressure over something so relatively trivial.

    Deep breath people. It's a game. Support it or don't. Edginess not required for this decision.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not that he's a tool it's at the game it has poor performance. And being a tool is just a guarantee that issue will never be fixed.

    So in a way I kind of do blame the team, they must have done testing they know what the performance is like.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You should get it for free elsewhere. Don't give this asshole your money.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    For a long time he was told by everyone in public and in private that he was awesome and perfect, and the greatest game developer, which made him a ton of money and very famous. Now his latest game is failing and his overinflated ego is panicking.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Really? Was that a long time ago?

    Seems to me he and Gearbox have been in lots of shit for a while now (the infamous USB drive, serious plagiarism accusations when Borderlands did an artistic 180 during development, Alien : Colonial Marines released broken as hell after funneling its funding to make BL2, Duke Nukem Forever...)

    And every time Pitchford's (mostly unnecesary) public answer has been terrible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    As far as DNF goes, it was probably an easy profit for the company. They bought it from 3D Realms and patched it up into something releasable. I doubt they spent a lot on the deal. It didn't have to sell many copies for them to hit break even.

    Not a bad business decision, and I'm glad that development story had a definitive ending.

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Oh look the piece of shit opens its mouth again.

    We understand you stumbled dick first into your position of power. Now please shut the fuck up, you somehow sentient sludgeball.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Considering i didn't bother to buy anything borderlands related since Borderlands 2, it will keep preety muchbthe same for me

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same, got 1&2 on a humble bundle. I remember one running great, and 2 bearable on a 1gb netbook att. Cell shaded games shouldn't be this resource intensive!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I haven't played 4, but I played 1, 2, and a bit of the presequel or whatever it was called. They were essentially all the same game. Run, shoot, run, shoot, hear vaguely off-color joke, run, shoot. Is there any particular reason to bother with an overpriced remake of the same old game? Is there a reason for worrying about 4KUHD textures on a game where the aesthetic is cartoony? If you're a 9 year old who's never played, and it's all on mom's dime, I could see being tricked into buying it by the advertisers, but why is anyone else excited about it?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I played the hell out of the first Borderlands (including New Game+ across all expansions), but promptly bounced off 2 & Pre-Sequel because it literally just felt like more of the same and I was already sated.

    BL3 and now BL4 are literally just more of the same, but with ever increasingly more egregious monetisation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2 was good because of the Handsome Hack commentary.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think that was the one that started in an ice zone, if I remember correctly? I literally couldn’t get past it because I find that aesthetic quite boring…

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Started with 2, liked it, hated 3, now playing 4 since yesterday with a friend and gameplay wise it has a bunch of changes/improvements. So if someone enjoys the gameplay its good. I mean cod and battlefield and fifa are also nearly the same game every time ;)

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Of course the borderlands guy would look like that

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  • [+] -32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You ain't exactly handsome yourself bud😅

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