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[–] 41 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Probably, I've been in a similar situation. Closers had to wait til the manger unlocked the front door to let you out at the end of the night. I wouldn't clock out, and others started to also. Wed sit there on the clock waiting for the managers then go punch out.

    Also, they got pissed we were working an extra half hour or so to cleanup or sit at the gate, so when my shift was over, I clocked out and stopped working, even if I wasn't done. You don't schedule me til 9pm, then bitch I needed half an hour to cleanup and finish since the fucking door was open with customers til 9pm.

    Fucking hated retail. Everyone after high school should work mandatory 1 year of retail or 2 years of military. Would curb a lot of this holier than thou narcissism bullshit really quick and have people treating each other with more respect.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Why is it that so many companies steal their employee's wages?

    It's like they expect employees not to know better and contact an employment attorney and sue.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago*

    They do expect were dumb. We're trained growing up with wrong info. You know how many people I've met that they think if they get a raise they'll make less money? Or how many don't understand basic tax brackets? Met a girl who thought each tax bracket was applied to your entire income, so millionaire tax was "ripping off millionaires" lmao.

    Plus when healthcare and other things are tied to our job, you tend to not make waves and just fall in line. The system is fully against the working class.

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  • Everyone after high school should work mandatory 1 year of retail...Would curb a lot of this holier than thou narcissism bullshit really quick and have people treating each other with more respect.

    I've been saying the same thing since I worked retail many years ago. Would either save the world or destroy it, and I'm not sure which would be better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    There's a certain set of people who would still treat retail workers like shit b/c "I had to put up with it, so they can too!" And I want to rake my foot down their shins just thinking about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Listen, I get that wearing a uniform and seeing the abyss that is human nature is very honorable, but don't compare that to the military. That's just killing poor people for the rich and powerful.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Exact instructions with no allowance for judgment were given and followed exactly. Not malicious, just compliance with stupid instructions.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Erm ackshually that's not really a valid application of hanlon's razor because the entities being referred to as stupid or malicious are two separate beings

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s not a requirement of Hanlon’s razor. Stupidity can be introduced at any point in the process. If a commander orders a firing squad to form a circle and they shoot each other, that’s on the commander, not the squad for shooting each other.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    But in that scenario the subject of interest (who we're trying to determine if they're stupid or malicious) is the commander regardless of whether they were stupid or they were malicious. (Actually, you could apply the razor to the commander, the soldiers, or the system of both in combination; it works in any of those scenarios, as long as it applies to the same entity the whole time). In your original scenario, you aren't comparing the hypothesis of a malicious employee to a stupid employee, you're comparing a malicious employee to stupid instructions. Hanlon's razor does not imply the employee is not malicious because you aren't using it to imply the employee is stupid, you're claiming the instructions are stupid, which is a perfectly good motivation for malicious behavior from the employee. A correct usage of Hanlon's Razor here would be to say that you should assume the employees are stupid rather than malicious. I disagree with that interpretation because Hanlon's Razor is often wrong, but it's at least a valid usage of it.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

    Somehow I find the photo of a muscle guy with no clothes insulting for an "office" story.
    It is just so disconnected from each other?

    And I seriously doubt most office workers find a ribbed extreme muscle guy representative of office workers. And especially not the women.

    It's not lie a huge issue, it's just a meme, sorry for pointing out I found the guy misplaced,
    You all go ahead and have fun without much thought.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    OP sees the malicious compliance as a "chad" move, hence the use of Giga Chad meme.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Maybe, but I seriously doubt most office people find a ribbed extreme muscle guy representative of office workers. And especially not the women.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    And? Does that make it better or worse? Personally I don't give a shit that he is a meme guy I knew that, but he is not the right meme guy for this sort of meme IMO.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's a story about workers flexing their strength against the boss and having the boss back down. It seems to fit just fine to me.

    I can't possibly imagine why you seem to be so offended over all this.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Except it's not really malicious compliance, it's just compliance.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Memes are conceptual not literal

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    That's mostly true, except memes are ideas, more specifically ideas that spread by being repeated or imitated.
    I know the definition very well both reading and hearing Richard Dawkins who coined and defined the term, explaining what a meme really is. And the idea is that memes can spread and evolve a bit like genes, which could be said to have been the case here if the meme had been changed to use the drawing u/Appoxo made.

    Edit:
    Funny why I'm downvoted for describing what a meme actually is???
    God people are either stupid or vengeful here!!

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Sorry but giga chad doesnt come with noodle arms and a pouch :/

    Edit:
    Just for you I created this:

    This should reflect the avergae idea of your office worker way better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I willed it into existence by utilizing another non-organic entity to manifest it.

    And I am a real person. Thus the "" are falsely used.
    Better use them this way: "Created"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Both are valid. You didn't create it. Putting quotes around "created" indicates I believe a different verb (eg. "requested") would be accurate. Putting quotes around "you" indicates that the AI was the one who created it. They're kind of a package deal here so either works.

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    [–] 73 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    A malicious compliance story that is actually malicious compliance! It’s been a while.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Eh... I'm of a "that happened" mindset. Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time believing even a moronic manager couldn't have foreseen the problem with this edict.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've definitely had a few managers who were this fucking dumb.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    mine sent out an email on a Friday afternoon that we will start using the new time clock system

    except she did not provide details on when we would start using it, how to use it, how to book non-project hours, etc

    so, yep, there are definitely people who just send things out and don't think about how it actually works. also people need to clock in using that system, so how are they going to do that if they only are notified about it 20 minutes after they clock in on the old system...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are people who never learn to bounce ideas off of other people first.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think of that as effectively a requirement for one to be considered a bad manager. Bouncing ideas off of others who are virtually their clones mentally don't count, of course.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    More to the point: do you REALLY understand how things work yet or are you trying to impose your authority arbitrarily? Are you doing this for yourself or for the organization's benefit?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    At least it appeared the boss understood the mistake. There might be hope for him or her after all.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Why the fuck is “panicked” censored?

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago (14 children)
  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Figured. Fucking hate this stupid trend

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Wait ....this is a trend? To intentionally censor pointless words so that people can rage reply?

    Jfc we're cooked as a society aren't we?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    It doesn’t matter what people comment, just that they do. Someone pointing this out, someone pointing out that it’s engagement bait, someone surprised at how cooked we are, someone explaining the general idea algorithm…doesn’t matter that our discussion was OT and pointless, this thing’s got people talking! Show it to more people and see if it takes off. No? Ok well it’ll still earn a normally small sum more than normal and/or slightly more reputation for the poster.

    Rinse and repeat until you’re getting millions of views and hundreds of thousands of dollars each week. It doesn’t matter if your content is trash. Every little boost is more EXP and you just keep leveling, keep grinding.

    The first “AIs” to manipulate us weren’t LLMs. When you ask a robot to curate, it’ll always be trivial to game that system.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Where is anyone getting money for posting on Lemmy?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    wait, people are getting paid? I like money

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    not on here. that's why lemmy (and most other decentralised platforms) is so good. but on some other platforms ppl sell their likes farmed accounts to marketers, so they can use it to push their viral campaigns. those platforms usually favor accounts that get many likes and the posts they make somehow with the algo or by auto enforced rules. for exampke minimum karma required to post in some reddit communities etc.. marketers can take advantage of that if they get ahold of a suitable account. that's why some ppl repost and ragebait like mad on those platforms.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Same with mispronouncing words like tzatziki or prosciutto.

    Different from "osteoporosis!" Which is a memetic mutation of the "bone atrophy" joke of mispronouncing / misspelling bon appetit

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Only tangentially related, but I used to have a decent boss and then a particular coworker arrived. He would find loopholes and cracks and breaking points of literally every single bit of flexibility we had. Eventually, we lost almost all of it. We had a strong union and this new guy knew how to abuse that. He didn't get caught breaking any rules, but it was obvious that he was using any flexibility to avoid it being provable. Took like three years before we got rid of him.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Honestly, depending on what it is, if the rules suck then it’s the rules’ problem.

    At my last job I was told that they didn’t do overtime but I could bank hours. At some point they said that the spirit of it was that I could use those hours on the same project, not really to make up for missed time during the whole month. But see, overtime hours are always loaded towards the end of a project which would just mean I’d be giving them free labour when I was already not paid that well. I kept track of my extra hours and used them all the time to make up for missing whatever and while I don’t feel at all bad I’m sure their thought is that I was cheating their stupid, shitty system.

    If managers and executives want to get paid so much money for being so smart then you’d think they’d be intelligent enough to do create decent rules. But we all know that they’re not so here we are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I partially agree, and it is important for rules to be exact in large systems. But if it was possible for them to be a bit more loose, and for people to still follow the spirit, then you would be able to give people a lot more freedom. But, it's almost impossible to make rules that are lenient enough for people to actually enjoy them without them being so lenient that some people will exploit them. This can typically work in small scenarios with a few people that know each other well. And in those cases, it's very useful to have a set of relatively lenient rules that allow people to act based on their discretion. But, as soon as you have a large group of people, this breaks down, as people don't feel the same attachment to each other/the group and their responsibility.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sure, though we also gotta look at what these rules are even asking of us. Like, I can’t even think of a rule that could be that badly exploited aside from someone saying “take a day off if you need a mental health day it’s ok” followed by someone just taking every Friday off for their mental health. And in that case, the person would be 100% correct since many studies and real-world trials have proven that a four day work week makes people happier and more productive but coworkers and management would be pretty mad if they were all forcing themselves to do the objectively worse five day week.

    And if one person taking advantage of what they were given is enough to break the system then the system was already busted for a long time. If you need special exceptions that are so vague in order to make things work then shit’s fucked to begin with. Don’t tell me I get a bunch of days off and then get mad when I take days off, ya know?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would say that is not a decent boss then. At least, not for that employee.

    If a worker is making their colleagues unhappy by being an ass, management should be willing to take appropriate action.

    I inherited some workers with bad attitudes when a company I was at merged two teams. On paper it was impossible to fire them, so I wasted so much time trying to get them to fit in. After a year I gave up and went to HR who was like, "oh yeah no problem we'll let them go". I didn't even think that was possible, based on our management training, but it turns out that since their shit attitudes and associated shit performance were well documented it wasn't a problem. We just paid them severance and off they went.

    I was worried about the impact on the other employees, but everyone was happy to see them go.

    I talked to one of them months later and he actually thanked me. It turned out that he was unhappy with the job but unable to get motivation to move on. He ended up at Greenpeace for a while; I don't know how long he stayed there... we were not friends. 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Our union is pretty strong and they were obligated to defend him. This dude also lawyered up for everything - it was like a second job for him. Anything added to his record would be challenged, amended, or argued that everyone else also did something technically similar so they should all be written up, etc. Also didn't help that he knew exactly how to piss of my boss and my boss lost his cool once and cursed him out. I think that added another 12+ months to the guy's employment since now he could argue my boss had something out for him personally.

    He loved the power it gave him and he virtually scammed every system to "legally" (again, nothing obvious enough to get caught) get rewarded for it in most cases. Most organizations will eat this cost of giving in to these shitbags just to get rid of them in the moment.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Why is there a naked muscle man being censored? Free the naked muscle man!

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like this kind of thing has a subtle second layer of frustration. The boss in this scenario might have learned why flexible lunch breaks are a good idea, but I doubt he learned the next level up idea of, like, listen to your workers. They might have learned about this specific scenario but don't learn anything more broadly applicable.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is a good example of what kind of person wants to become a manager, but actually makes the worst manager.

    Somebody who believes that their ideas are always right, but never actually thinks them through. Somebody who believes that their position as a manager is proof that they are better than their subordinates.

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  • Yeah, it's a similar concept to how the majority of people likely to become cops (especially but not only in countries like the US where there's barely any effective restraints) should ABSOLUTELY not be allowed to become cops.

    Incidentally, both groups have a proportionally huge number of people with malignant narcissism and other personality disorders compared to people in general.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Ok, maybe the boss didn't predict that they would just stop talking to customers mid-sentence, which is the malicious compliance part. But the boss didn't expect that there would be no one working from 12-12:30? Seems unlikely even for an idiot boss.

    Chances are it didn't go down quite how it is described here.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wayside School Principal vibes. Although at least he learned better.

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  • I'd not even call it malicious. Just compliance

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even aside from the stupidity in this.

    What is even the point of demanding every worker to take a break at the same time? What possible improvements would it create?

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