I've gotten a new phone and setting it up for the past few days - a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches. Sure, whatever.

I have been VERY adamant about pressing "No" on all prompts, that try to get me to try something out or use some dumb service. I do not want any AI tool or similar to go through my files.

Yet, while perousing the depths of my system settings, I realized Google Photos was using a suspicous amount of storage. Somehow, it had "synchronized" ALL my locally saved pictures - this included pictures of my vacations, my drivers license, private pictures I would have rather not shared, and so on...

And while checking the Google Photos App for the damage done, obviously it had already automatically generated "previews" and "albums" for me, neatly organized.

IT HAD AUTOMATICALLY ANALYSED MY DRIVERS LICENSE AND SAVED IT INTO AN ALBUM CALLED "Identity-related"

How the fuck is this legal? I am so mad at myself right now. I'm usually so fuckin cautious about denying any sort of pop-up and setting all settings as strictly as possible.

So obviously I just had to spent 2 hours figuring out how to turn this "synchronization" off, and how to delete all photos in google photos - spoiler alert: There is no "Delete All" button. You have to manually select every single fucking image.

Sorry for the rant, I hope it's not too off-topic. I'm just so mad right now.

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[–] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Yes, this happens. Even if you turn off all the syncing etc, they will shoot an update and all your settings will revert to default. This has happened with my father's phone a lot.

And even if you keep all these settings off, they are still scanning all photos to check for CSAM.

I highly recommend deGoogling your phone. If you cannot install a custom ROM, check out Universal Android Debloater. There are many sources for degoogling your life. Check out c/degoogle on Lemmy (I forgot the instance name, just search for it). Or if you want we have small group on Signal for deGoogling related talks, DM me and I can share the link to join. (Signal does require a phone number to register, but since usernames are a thing your phone number will not be available publicly.) That group link is disabled, but I can share other group links like Linux and FOSS, or other privacy related groups.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There not even checking for CSAM

    That would be near impossIble considering the tech. Even on a normal portrait is hard to judge the age on. Let alone fotos with more complex perspectives and only some body parts visible.

    What they are doing is using hashes of specific real pictures that the police know are commonly shared.

    Theoretically it could catch some careless content consuming offenders. The worst offenders, that produce new material, are beyond the scope.

    But also, obvious what google gets is just the hashcodes and not the actual pics. If the police gave google a hash to target for pics of vances bald head or (trans-positive) memes who would know?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    There was a news some time ago, that a man was arrested for clicking nude pictures of children, later it was found out that he was sending pictures of his child to a doctor for diagnosis. How did that happen?

    I'll link the source if I find it.

    Update:

    NYTimes - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

    Paywall removed - https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That must be some other system indeed.

    They don't really provide much information from how the images were actually shared though.

    Maybe there is a machine learning algorithm that is trained to detect specific features in a random photo but i cant imagine it being accurate without frequent false possibles.

    Could be that if you have a certain amount of “plausible” hits then a google employee has to review them manually and they quickly Judged it wrongly?

    Though that technically implies your Private medical picture is now seen and possibly covertly copied by a (rogue) employee.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    False positives are a thing. They do scan all your photos for csam. Poorly.

    We know this because of the article during the pandemic when a dude sent a photo of his son's dick to a doctor (it had an infection and the doctor asked to see it). Dude lost access to his entire google account. Lost everything. Emails, files, everything. It wasn't a hash.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I appreciate your comment, replying here for reference, perhaps I'd like to join that signal channel. Being staunchly anti-google I feel I'm on top of things, but my Gmail is used across many of my logins. With the scanning for CSAM issue, many people don't realize that Google installs a hidden app called safetycore, for me it gets reinstalled on every update.

    https://allthings.how/what-is-android-system-safetycore-and-why-did-it-appear-on-your-phone-2/

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Ya. I'm sorry for you.

    Problem is, even if you delete the Images, Google has already scraped them for info on you and used your Google account and phone number to tie it all together to further its data aggregation profile on you.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Same thing happened to me, and there is a delete all button. Go to Google photos > top right profile pic > backup is off (or whatever it says when it's on) > top right gear > undo backup for this device.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Use /e/OS officially supported on fair phone 5

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    /e/OS is a good option to regain privacy from Google, but arguably does some things worse in terms of security than stock.

    You can find a good comparison here.

    For the Fairphone 5, I'd recommend CalyxOS as soon as they're back from their hiatus. In the meantime, might as well stick with stock.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Email their data protection officer and the government. They may get fined hundreds of millions of dollars for this

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lol. Yeah and trump will get prosecuted for raping minors.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    We're talking about the EU, not some fascist country in America

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh I'm sorry. What I meant to say was that Tony Blair will be prosecuted for war crimes

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    It's kinda a pain to use 'cause so many apps rely on Google services, so those need to be replaced with alternatives, but e/OS is installable and is supported by Fairphone

    https://community.e.foundation/t/install-e-os-v2-on-fairphone-5-my-little-guide/58260

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Have some dic pics that were uploaded that i sent to my gf when we started dating and i'm glad i didn't delete them because now they have to look at my junk every time they decide to go snooping around where they shouldn't.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fyi she asked for them and we got married last Friday after 5,5 years together and she sent me a few pics which i didn't keep or download on my end but it was over WhatsApp so they are already in the system asshole.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    google photos goes omnom

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    Faschist company with a faschist government. Stop asking for legal, take control, go Open Source.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Check out Aves Libre on F-Droid

    I had to ditch Google Photos app because of my paranoia, about this exact same thing that happened to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thanks for the tip. Newest version doesn't run on graphene though. Second newest does.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I tried that, and I greatly prefer Fossify Gallery. It's based on the old QuickPic source code. functionality almost identical to the highly regarded QuickPic app.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sorry for your shitty situation.

    Try this. No root needed. I'm pretty much google free on FP5 (and others).

    https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater

    Removes most google apps and services.

    Also try not to ever sign into google on your phone directly. Use Aurora Store, DAVX, Thunderbird etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is there a more recently updated version of this? This is two years old

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you disable Google photos storage access you don't even have a camera roll :/

    That's how embedded the damn thing is

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh damn really? I was just about to tell OP why didn't they just delete Google Photos and use something like Aves instead. But if disabling/deleting the app disables camera roll then that's total bullshit. That should be like lawsuit worthy, I shouldn't have to use your app to have pictures, especially when that service is doing sneaky uploads.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I just checked,

    google photos has permanent access to photos and videos. If you disable the app the camera roll no longer works. I get "activity not found".

    Maybe with a FOSS camera app it might still work? I haven't tried.

    Edit: and that is the only permission which it has ( photos and videos ). Everything else ( location, contacts, ... ) is not allowed. But that one permission is auto permanently allowed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    install e/os:

    https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5

    or:

    CalyxOS releases are paused, but when they are back: https://calyxos.org/

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago

    e/os is most likely my next step, especially with Google disabling installing "unverified" third-party apps in 2026.

    Bought a FP5 with e/os in mind as a possible upgrade path, I just was too worried to immediately do the full jump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yes, I've installed e/os on my fairphone 5 and it just works. I even got my banking apps to work.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Hmm... I wonder... does GrapheneOS work on the Fairphone?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They don't and in their typical style they've written a very verbose post or two on why

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Huh, link to their explanation?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't but its been posted a couple of times on Mastodon, I assume its on their blog and in their forms too.

    The jist is Fairphone doesn't have the security HW to run it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Would be nice if fairphone was in talks of making sure that adequate hardware will be in next version. That would benefit both projects even if they didn't offer official support.

    I'll guessing the problem will be the chipset vendor.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was gonna say something about postmarketOS, but it's not ready yet. Mobian is also not ready for it either.

    So next best option if you really wanna get rid of this type of stuff is either rooting your device to remove what you don't need or flashing something like GrapheneOS or a different OS.

    But I'd consider that a last resort if you already have everything set up just right and have things you don't wanna lose and can't backup easily. That, and if it's a work related device, you're screwed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Not against your will, you accepted this and more in the TOS of your account. But you can avoid it in the permission settings in your phone.

    The second biggest lie in Internet: "I've read the Privacy Policies and Terms of Service" the first one "We respect the privacy of the user".

    https://neal.fun/dark-patterns/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's still probably illegal (violation of GDPR). They can't hide that shit in a ToS without it being off by default.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is the point, not a big deal to block this in the EU, due to the GDPR, but for users in the US it's sadly different, there Google can almost do what it want.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Just change your locale to EU. Boom, they follow GDPR (or suffer massive legal and financial consequences, if not)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That is the point, or change direct o EU alternatives to store your photos and data, eg. Filen, 10 GB for free, client-side encrypted, no-knowledge, redundant storing, OpenSource, selfhosteable. All servers are located in Tier III-IV, ISO 27001-certified data centers within Germany.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    I own an Android phone, for a single app I need to have access to. It's a Redmi something. I could not find a way to just uninstall their own 'Gallery' app nor the Google Photos app so I removed their access to any file. I hope this is enough but I don't know that.

    I thought Android was all about choice (against iOS, which is my default phone) but this was not very convincing. I may have missed a way to easily uninstall any app, though? I would like to replace them with f-droid alternative apps so there won't be any risk they access the little data I've stored on that phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It's a Redmi something.

    If it is still using the default OS (HyperOS / MiUI), you can uninstall both the Xiaomi and Google Photos apps. The easiest method nowadays is to install Universal Android Debloater on to your computer (any OS), connect your phone to it, enable USB debugging on the phone, and remove the apps you don't want.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Thx, I'll check that tool. Not an expert, so you know ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It has a GUI, and clearly shows what apps can be safely removed versus whst apos are load-bearing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Update: I tested it, and it seems to be working as expected. Now, I just need to make sure what apps on the phone correspond to those listed since they don't display the same name and I would not want to remove anything I should not. Thx again ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does it allow you to remove gapps?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    a Fairphone 5 with Android installed. So obviously, this means I can't escape Googles clutches

    If you have a Fairphone then you can escape Google, Fairphones are one of the few phones that support third party ROMs. If they weren't so expensive I would buy one myself.

    https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/FP5/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you were using Photos as a photo roll app you need to stay angry at yourself a while longer. That's on you when you should know you cannot trust the G. Don't grant an app permissions to photos and videos that could sync it to the cloud. And as another precaution, don't keep sensitive pictures in the DCIM folder. If I have to take pictures of sensitive documents like that I disable WiFi (sync set up on WiFi only), take the picture, move it to a folder that's never backed up elsewhere on my phone, and then turn WiFi back on.

    You are not normal because you care about these things. The normal user doesn't care and that's who they are catering for. I'm not excusing their behavior (I don't like it either) and at the same time you need to be more on your toes.

    I'm planning to move to Ente this year when my Google cloud subscription runs out. Not looking forward to the work it entails but to the [paints face blue] FREEDOM!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yes, and they and apple keep saying it's all done locally. Because trust me bro!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I use Adguard and block Google photos from connecting to the internet.

    Features like edit video still work, so I'm good. If editing didn't work, I'd disable it.

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    I use the firewall feature to actually stop Photos from accessing the internet, so it doesn't touch YouTube.

    I use third party YouTube apps to block ads and other crap from YouTube videos.

    On desktop, I believe adguard will block ads on YouTube.com, but I also use third party apps to play videos.

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