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[–] 117 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I love the Battlefield series but I'm not turning on Secure Boot for them. If it remains a hard requirement, I'll simply be passing altogether.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was able to get around secure boot by installing the beta on my PS5. From then, I had the pleasure of being unable to enter due to broken menus! Can’t complain for having spent nothing and having little trust in the franchise.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's nothing wrong with Secure Boot and enabling it can prevent a small subset of attack vectors with no real downsides. That being said, the things Secure Boot does protect against aren't likely to be an issue for most users but it's nothing to be afraid of.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you want to install Linux, secure boot limits the distributions you can use. If you don't then it's whatever.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    So I can’t play battlefield without TPM? I hate tech these days. My Ryzen board doesnt have it. Hence why I’m not on windows 11

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I just refuse to enable it. It makes changing things a hassle.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Same. Keeps things simple with Linux, and Windows doesn't even complain about it being disabled, so long as it's present. I'll never understand why it's even required if you don't even have to enable it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So they can have an excuse to force you to upgrade to Windows 11 beyond "whoops, turns out making an operating system as a 'buy once' product is a bad idea."

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You can still get win 11 without TPM by using Rufus and bypassing TPM which will have to be done for a lot of old PCs and we will have to do it by October this year.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why would you install Windows 11on a computer? What happens if you don't do it before October?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does this disable updates though? My wife somehow had Win11 installed on her pc without enabling secure boot, and her updates got so far behind that now it refuses to update and needs to be reinstalled.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your anti-cheat doesn't work anyway so let me play in linux you cowards.

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now...

    But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they're necessary, think they can't be spoofed.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

    Small pp energy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sadly, I think the financial incentive is too great these days. People make decent money off this shit

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The cheat developers, yes. Because there is demand. The question though was, why there is demand.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    There's demand because there's supply.

    Build it and they will come.

    We have to ask the question if cheat developing wasn't profitable, and even if developers actually operated at a loss, would there be as many cheats on the market as there are now?

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago*

    Not sure how you could read this and come away with the idea that I do believe that...

    I am talking about the subset of gamers that go on internet forums and discord servers and make false, unsupported claims as to the effectiveness or necessity or Kernel AC over other forms of AC, tell people this just is how it is now, get with the program, eat the bugs, play the spyware game, its fine, everyone is doing it.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It's disgusting, isn't needed, and just plain isn't effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it's just not effective.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I am not sure about this conspiracy theory of yours: Microsoft does not want third party applications in the kernel space anymore.

    https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    a year ago on Mastodon when EA started locking out games like Apex Legends, BF1, V, 2042, etc from Linux I said "I bet you Microsoft is about to launch a handheld and since they have a deal with EA and Gamepass they want EA Exclusivity on their handheld and to lockout Steamdeck/Valve" sure enough a few months later Microsoft announces their Xbox handheld with Asus.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    So you got the spyware without the benefits, that's a hell of a surprise isn't it?

    But thank you for your money suckers!

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  • [+] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    This is where we need dedicated servers and self moderation

    My knowledge towards battlefield games ends at BF4 but I’m pretty sure people pay to host custom servers, EA refuses to open source it and only supply a handful of third parties with the actual code for them to charge hosting fees.

    I’m sure there is an NDA involved.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Why are people like this. How does this make gaming enjoyable?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Honestly, if I had the skills I'd be doing that as an explicit fuck you to the draconian anticheat bullshit they force on everyone, because what better fuck you than showing all that effort was for naught, especially close to launch.

    EA can go fuck themselves with the world's biggest cactus.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I love that track, but have to skip it regularly with my kid in the car lol

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s fun to cheat in games, that’s why we have cheat codes.

    Also there’s the competitive side of it where not getting caught is a skill and glitching is just game knowledge.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    Hm, yeah, it's something every developer should know; client-side validation of input still needs server-side validation, because client-side is not reliable, no mather what you force on them.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    My machine went into a boot loop and I had to clear CMOS to boot again.

    I wonder how many people without the resources to fix a problem like that easily are going to end up without computers for an extended period of time because of this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Just clear the CMOS.

    I had issues aswell where I couldn't boot, and you wanna know why? Because I didn't follow the step by step instructions EA tells you to follow. Follow those instructions, and it'll work just fine.

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Secure Boot isn't Tivoization because you can enroll your own keys.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] [B] 0 points 1 year ago

    The standard thing people refer to as "Secure Boot" allows users to enroll their own keys and thus is not TiVo. The ability to enroll your own keys is the distinguishing feature here - TiVo devices don't let you do that, so you can't sign your own thing and run it.

    The FSF has various pearl clutching articles from the days of Windows 8 fretting about whether or not users would be able to install their own keys on Secure Boot devices, but here in 2025, most devices allow this. (I'm sure there's a handful of bizarre laptops or whatever that don't, but the vast majority of hardware I've seen is fine.)

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