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[–] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Additionally, any driver traveling more than 100 mph on city streets can expect a $500 ticket from the cameras.

What sort of lunatic is going that fast on dense city roads, and why is it not escalating straight to an arrest warrant and a revocation of their driver's license?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    People race through GG park at night. They used to race on great highway too, but I guess they don't anymore since it's closed to car traffic now. Of course that never stopped biker gangs so I guess they still do crazy stunt shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lol right. I haven't been to the part of San Francisco where 100 mph driving wouldn't be insane. Maybe on some kind of super street bike but even then...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought the cab I was in that was hitting 60 mph on those hills was insane, 100 seems terminal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It might be the night time street races that can hit 100 between lights when commuter traffic is next to none.

    In Toronto you got most people driving 20 above the posted limit like it's nothing mostly during the day, but come night when the roadways are clear and empty some are going 30 over.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Speed cameras are very common in the UK and while they don't eliminate speeding altogether, they are effective.

    Apart from the risk of either a fine, doing a 'speed awareness' course or losing your license, it also means that people who are driving too fast regardless are more likely to simply get stuck behind other drivers who are observing the speed limit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe if they're truly ubiquitous on all roads everywhere, then maybe. But if they're just scattered around here and there then i doubt they achieve much beyond fattening they city's ticket income

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The trick is to mix fixed speed cameras with mobile speed cameras that move around regularly—police sit in the back of a van parked next to the road with a big camera pointed out the rear window. Because these move around, they could be anywhere. And because they could be anywhere most drivers will act as though they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    No, the trick is section control.

    Mobile speed cameras don't work due to e.g. Google Maps having speed camera warnings integrated. People slow down when the sat nav warns them and speed up later as well.

    Section control is a system where license plates are photographed when a car enters a section and again when it leaves. The time stamps and the known distance are used to calculate an average speed. That means, accelerating and slowing down doesn't help, and it's the only way to force people to drive the speed limit over a longer distance.

    Edit: We had fixed speed cameras and mobile ones for at least 50 years where I live. It's funny to see people theorizing about them as if they were some entirely new concept.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Average speed cameras only work on motorways. In the stop-start traffic of a city they're completely irrelevant.

    Edit: We had fixed speed cameras and mobile ones for at least 50 years where I live. It’s funny to see people theorizing about them as if they were some entirely new concept.

    Not sure why you think I'm theorising as though it's a new concept. I was speaking as to what clearly works based on the fact that it's what we do here in Australia and have done as long as I can remember, and that our death rates are so much lower than in America, on both a per capita and per vehicle-km basis.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, it's easy to have lower death rates than a country where you can do your driver's license without ever leaving the parking lot.

    In stop-start traffic all sorts of speed cameras are mostly irrelevant.

    Average speed cameras work on any stretch of road where people actually exceed the speed limit. The cool thing about average speed cameras is that the technology is so incredibly simple and cheap that you can just place them on every junction on a road.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    In stop-start traffic all sorts of speed cameras are mostly irrelevant.

    What I meant with that previous comment was not bumper-to-bumper traffic, but "regularly stopped by traffic lights" driving. Where some people absolutely will speed if they think they can get away with it, so maximising the fear of getting caught is a great way to reduce speeding.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    In that case, average speed cameras still work, and they still work better than single-spot speed cameras.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    But an average speed camera doesn't really work if they only get a few hundred metres, maybe a couple of kilometres at best, before they have to stop, and if during those couple of kilometres there's a mixture of times when they're speeding and times when they have to slow down because of other cars who aren't speeding.

    They really can only work on motorways, with many kilometres between cameras and on- and off-ramps.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    ...because adding cameras to watch the public for 'safety' has never been horribly abused.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Speed cameras were introduced in my area. It caused accidents to go up, not down. Ex: Person A sees the camera and slows down, but person B doesn’t and now swerves to avoid them while maintaining speed. Or doesn’t and just rear ends them. The cameras got deactivated. Speed traps aren’t a good answer.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This assumes you can see and recognize the camera. Driving in sf there's so many other things you're watching out for, and the streets/sidewalks have so much other shit going on that you'd be hard pressed to spot the camera.

    Also like someone else mentioned it could increase overall incidents but if those are minor, like getting rear ended, it's well worth reducing pedestrian fatalities.

    NYC implemented speeding cameras and saw a 94% reduction in speeding and a 14% reduction in injuries and fatalities

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is one of the reasons places have taken out red light cameras, as well. It was causing people to slam on the brakes.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was causing people to stop at red lights? Can't have that can we.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It causes people to stop at the first sign of a yellow light, whether or not it was actually safe to or not.

    Many cities who implemented red light cameras also deliberately decreased the length of yellow lights in order to boost tickets.

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  • Rear-end collisions are significantly safer than T-bone collisions though.

    Sucks for those affected but reduces deaths nonetheless. A fivefold increase in rear-end collisions doesn't offset the benefit from even just a 10% reduction in T-bones. Put them up everywhere and people will necessarily get used to them. These cameras exist everywhere around here in Germany and no one really slams on their breaks.

    Besides, why haven't you created norms for the duration of the yellow light based on the speed limit of a road? I feel like that's something every country should have.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    As described, the cause of the accident is driving too fast for the conditions, inattentive driving and possibly following too close. Every US jurisdiction I have driven in requires a driver to maintain speed and spacing that allows them to stop safely if the vehicle in front of them comes to a sudden stop. If a driver needs to take evasive action to avoid a vehicle that is not stopped, but just slowing, that is one shitty driver. We are all better off if individuals like that are ticketed and get points on their license.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I find these threads entertaining because it pits Lemmys hatred of cars against its hatred of police departments

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This. I’m quickly learning Lemmy is populated with an interesting group of folks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah it leans very hard leftist. I hope as the platform grows it will get a little more diversity of opinion but I love the concept of open-source social media (if you can even call it that). For now I just block all the news and political communities; occasionally something gets through but that's fine.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Is there data showing speed cameras reduce anything other than people's wallets? I know that slower speeds reduce fatalities, but I'm unconvinced that speed cameras do

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    I work in government in a city where cameras designed to detect license plates for active warrants, stolen vehicles, and vehicles from Amber/Silver alerts have been deployed. It was crystal-clear from Council that those were the only authorized uses as a condition of their installation.

    Within a week, the police were using them to identify cars for other purposes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    As much as I don’t belong in the community, the answer to that is to start reducing lane/intersections/roads until people start taking it seriously

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    As much as I don’t belong in the community

    Why? You sound to me like you belong just fine.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Because I like driving. I just hate commuting and think surface and higher grade roads and parking is a blight and waste of space. I also believe in proper design. Cities are for people and should be people centric.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I’m totally of the belief that the fuck cars mentality isn’t incompatible with personally liking cars. If you recognize that forcing everyone’s lifestyle and community space to revolve around cars is unsustainable and undesirable then I’d say that’s basically it, with a bit of sensible road design to prioritize pedestrian safety sprinkled in.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because I like driving.

    I do too. I own multiple "fun" cars for things like autocross and off-roading. I just don't use any of them for commuting (my 'daily driver' is a bicycle).

    Trust me when I say, folks like you belong here just fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Meh I’ve met people in either this or the other fuckcars community who don’t believe in interim measures and anything short of tear up all the roads is car brained…

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That's exactly what all of us are for too. "Fuck cars" doesn't mean "eliminate all cars and all driving infrastructure". It means exactly what you said - cars and car infrastructure should be minimized in places where they aren't good to be.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Speed cameras need to be accompanied by roads that are designed to physically calm traffic.

    I used to drive a lot in London, and there are speed cameras all over the place there, and it certainly helps when they are ubiquitous, but what really makes people slow down are the narrow, curved and winding roads.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    My prognostication:

    if it reduces the number of speeders then the system won't pay for itself, and SF will remove the cameras.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is interesting. I'm curious to see how it goes, though I generally refuse to drive in SF.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Fuck this shit, fuck how they target minority communities with it, fuck how every technology is eventually used against you by the state

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Fuck, surveillance capitalism with my golden fucking dick, fuck this, design better roads, not better cameras

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Speed cameras (and by extension red light cameras) are generally nothing more than a money grab by a municipality.

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