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[–] 141 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh, I remember hearing about this in 2022. There was a ton of speculation about this. I'm glad it's been confirmed.

Hoping one day the MuskRat finds himself behind bars.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    When I pointed out the first time this happened, I was pummeled in the comments by people saying that he just doesn't want to be complicit in anything. Okay, but then why did he give Ukraine a bunch of Starlink receivers to begin with? And now this is the second or third time he's fucked the Ukrainians by turning off the service as they're taking back their land.

    He a fucking clown. He wants his service used, but he doesn't want any consequences. He just wants to drag the war out and add "Powered by Starlink". He's given himself some control over the conflict, while enriching himself for as long as it continues.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    why did he give Ukraine a bunch of Starlink receivers

    Because those receivers were "free" for the Ukrainians but someone else paid millions for that

    Imagine paying $500/month for each "free" receiver because "military applications needs maximum quality" but when the vatnik CEO gets a call from its owner "oh no today it glitched!”

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I wasn't really sure of his reasoning here, but I don't think it was very good to begin with.

    Unfortunately, we already know that he has way too much power for a private citizen.

    I think in 2022, he still had some fans, he hadn't quite ruined his image all the way yet, even though most of us could see the writing on the wall. It sucks you got jumped for that, though.

    I'm in the "We should Nationalize Starlink without giving him a dime" camp as recompense for this crime.

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  • [–] 231 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This was Elon Musk's way of declaring himself an enemy combatant.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I was going to say there's no rules against saying "Elon Musk should be killed" here on Lemmy, but then I saw we're on Lemmy.world, and I think they're trying to be the new Reddit.

    (For any mods, this is not a call for violence, simply stating a thing that isn't allowed. Please read it again if you think I made a call to violence.)

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Looking forward to seeing EU alternatives for Starlink

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Honestly, someone hurry up and launch an alternative! Chinese are setting up one but I wouldn't trust them either.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    For starters, the Great Chinese Firewall blocks access even to lemmy

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It depends, maybe they like the contents of some instances like this one

    Although on some blocks I can't disagree:

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The big instances are blocked (like yours, i.e. lemmy.world) while the small ones that the CCP didn’t catch up with yet (like mine) are working fine. It’s a censorship went wrong moment

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What do you mean? Chinese people cant host a lemmy server? Or just the main servers worldwide arent available there?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I think they should be taken down or taken over by another entity. They were launched under the premise they were a utility and it turns out they're being used military.

    I dont mean the internet access itself but the giving and striping of access to suit a military agenda goes beyond the pervue of an organization claiming to be an ISP or commercial utility.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Actually porn is what makes many Chinese start using the VPNs too

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    yup, they moved to PROXIES, and anti-detect browsers much like reddits getting more sophisticated detection, china is always trying to find a way to detect these methods. from what ive heard on the same forum that ban evades reddit.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Alternatives would be great! My only concern is the number of satellites that have to be continually launched while older satellites are burned up after just five years. That's thousands of satellites per service provider having to be continually replaced. Seems wasteful, but maybe I'm thinking the resource usage is greater than it really is in the grand scheme of things.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well if Europe doesn’t do this, US or China will regardless and they won’t care about leaving junk in the space. So it’s a matter of who will profit off that. And also, the EU is doing a lot for the environment already. Maybe it’s time for other countries like India to stop throwing trash directly into rivers now? We live on the same planet. Even if EU achieves the zero-emission state, it only accounts for 5% of the population in the world, so it won’t change that much on a global scale if other countries continue refusing to cooperate

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  • [–] 174 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Oh ya, Musk is still a piece of shit.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    * Oh yah, a real hoser!</McKenzie brothers>

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Bob and Doug, from Second City television.

    Didn't want anyone to think it was cultural misappropriation or rocking and our neighbors to north. If there ever was a truer hoser than musk I'm not sure who it is

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    But it's such a good word lol.

    I legitimately grew up watching SCTV and it's one movie spinoff. Saturday night live was good back then too. But damn that SCTV cast was epic. Moranis, Thomas, Radner, Flaherty, Leve, Short, Candy and of course O'hara

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wonder if it's a generational thing. I grew up in Ottawa in the 90s and I don't recall ever using it. I knew the word but it just wasn't an everyday word for my group of friends.

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  • [–] 155 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is a perfect example of why we have to confiscate the bulk of the fortunes of Sociopathic Oligarchs.

    We have this guy operating his own foreign policy in a very sensitive war with nuclear weapons in the mix. The rest of the world shouldn't have to be at the mercy of his arrogance and hubris, waiting for him to get bored with this game, and move onto the next one, hopefully before he blows up the planet.

    He has been proven to be massive national and global security threat, who will only become more dangerous as he hoards more money. Just strip his citizenship, confiscate his money and his companies, and deport him to South Africa. Then use his example as a threat to other Sociopathic Oligarchs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sure trump would love to do that and has back up plans to do that for any or all of the billionaires. Of course, they think they're special and think it won't happen to them.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Woooooh. Musks security team is a gold mine. They will forever be employed because of this dudes stupidity.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Heil, Shitler!

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago (34 children)

    Normally, I would have advocated for the nationalization of Starlink and SpaceX as a matter of national and global security, but it's not like the current American regime would do any better. I'm not going to be counting on them to investigate, let alone prosecute the affairs of this Russian junkie-stooge either.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Regardless of who would do better, the entirety of SpaceX and Starlink were paid for using American taxpayer's money and government contracts. We already paid for it, we should own it.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ohh, just wait till they privatize weather, mail, prison. hospitals...

    It's gonna be too expensive to live on this planet for YOU.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Two of those are literally already privatised in America, and one more took some significant steps in that direction earlier this year.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    one more took some significant steps in that direction earlier this year.

    One? Last I checked, both weather and mail are both on their way to privatization.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    both prisons and most hospitals are private.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As rural hospitals shut down (due to lack of federal funding) they are being BOUGHT up by private corporations and LEASED back to the federal government (federal funding).

    It's a LOT more money and it's NOT going to the hospital.

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  • [+] -65 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Brain dead take honestly. Nationalization doesn’t work out 11 times out of 10. Look at NASA, SpaceX ran circles around them with a tini tiny fraction of the funding.

    Nationalization does not mean it belongs to “us” it belongs to the government, an entity with motivations, incentives and desires different from “us” the people.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Could you elaborate on how SpaceX "ran circles around NASA", seeing as how NASA basically pioneered every single piece of modern space technology, and all SpaceX is doing is fumbling to rearrange it like Legos that explode on the launch pad? Lol

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  • NASA basically pioneered every single piece of modern space technology

    Hate to say it, but it was actually the Nazis who pioneered a lot of modern space technology. The US massively refined and improved it - often with the help of "rescued" Nazi scientists.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you severely discount NASA's achievements. I would wager the stagnation of NASA and the subsequent rise of SpaceX was largely due to a lack of funding for NASA and waning public interest and lack of leadership.

    I doubt the public would have tolerated the idea blowing up rockets until it worked as a good use of tax payer dollars. So did NASA fail us, or did the public fail NASA?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Think objectively about things, don’t just say things to echo the hivemind.

    Fuck off with the notion that everything that contradicts your opinion is the "hivemind." It is supremely condescending and toxic to pretend you're the only one capable of independent thought.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago*

    Did I ever say or imply that everything that contradicts my opinion is of the hive mind? Because I don’t think I did. But this particular trope of trying to flatten any of the achievements of Musk’s companies simply because they are associated with him and calling for their nationalization is a tiresome talking point of the online “left” that simply parrots whatever everyone else “on their side” is supposed to think because it has leftie vibes. It’s as brain dead a take as any you would find on a Magatard community.

    And I do need to point out that nationalization is not inherently socialist or left wing at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They keep giving contracts to SpaceX because that's the way the budgets are mandated from congress. They have X amount of money to distribute. Everything goes to generally the lowest bidder, and because there are only a handful of options, they have to keep using one contractor to produce their parts because it's even more expensive to keep switching.

    So drop the attitude. Usually the worst bidder gets the job, and it ends up costing more money after everything is said and done.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not tough to see how you ended up permabanned on reddit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I actually am skeptical of nationalization. I think the free market is more efficient in most situations.

    But if you think SpaceX is running circles around NASA, well that's so ridiculous that I'm starting to doubt myself.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They did though, they massively cut costs of launching a rocket, which is again the real barrier for space exploration, especially commercially viable space exploration. It’s not clear that NASA could have done that seeing how their costs remained roughly the same for decades, but don’t take it from me, take it from NASA themselves:

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20200001093.pdf

    What’s your counter argument for saying they didn’t run circles around NASA?

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    That’s bound to happen every now and then. At least it hasn’t happened with people inside.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    starlink has over 150 ground locations (ground satelites that ping service to ones in space, and then down to customer recievers) these locations are easily found by a unofficial map.

    their main HQ is in hawthorne, california, a short drive from the LA airport. at 1 rocket road.

    do with that information as you will, the ground locations are mostly located all over the US.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He sees the Russian oligarchs, basically medieval duchies where they're a law unto themselves (unless they piss off papa Putin, then it's out the window) and thinks that's a pretty neat deal.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    For everything that Musk touches there has to be some alternative.

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