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[–] 80 points 1 year ago (34 children)

Normally, I would have advocated for the nationalization of Starlink and SpaceX as a matter of national and global security, but it's not like the current American regime would do any better. I'm not going to be counting on them to investigate, let alone prosecute the affairs of this Russian junkie-stooge either.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Regardless of who would do better, the entirety of SpaceX and Starlink were paid for using American taxpayer's money and government contracts. We already paid for it, we should own it.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ohh, just wait till they privatize weather, mail, prison. hospitals...

    It's gonna be too expensive to live on this planet for YOU.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Two of those are literally already privatised in America, and one more took some significant steps in that direction earlier this year.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    one more took some significant steps in that direction earlier this year.

    One? Last I checked, both weather and mail are both on their way to privatization.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    both prisons and most hospitals are private.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As rural hospitals shut down (due to lack of federal funding) they are being BOUGHT up by private corporations and LEASED back to the federal government (federal funding).

    It's a LOT more money and it's NOT going to the hospital.

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  • [+] -65 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Brain dead take honestly. Nationalization doesn’t work out 11 times out of 10. Look at NASA, SpaceX ran circles around them with a tini tiny fraction of the funding.

    Nationalization does not mean it belongs to “us” it belongs to the government, an entity with motivations, incentives and desires different from “us” the people.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Could you elaborate on how SpaceX "ran circles around NASA", seeing as how NASA basically pioneered every single piece of modern space technology, and all SpaceX is doing is fumbling to rearrange it like Legos that explode on the launch pad? Lol

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  • NASA basically pioneered every single piece of modern space technology

    Hate to say it, but it was actually the Nazis who pioneered a lot of modern space technology. The US massively refined and improved it - often with the help of "rescued" Nazi scientists.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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    I think you severely discount NASA's achievements. I would wager the stagnation of NASA and the subsequent rise of SpaceX was largely due to a lack of funding for NASA and waning public interest and lack of leadership.

    I doubt the public would have tolerated the idea blowing up rockets until it worked as a good use of tax payer dollars. So did NASA fail us, or did the public fail NASA?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Think objectively about things, don’t just say things to echo the hivemind.

    Fuck off with the notion that everything that contradicts your opinion is the "hivemind." It is supremely condescending and toxic to pretend you're the only one capable of independent thought.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago*

    Did I ever say or imply that everything that contradicts my opinion is of the hive mind? Because I don’t think I did. But this particular trope of trying to flatten any of the achievements of Musk’s companies simply because they are associated with him and calling for their nationalization is a tiresome talking point of the online “left” that simply parrots whatever everyone else “on their side” is supposed to think because it has leftie vibes. It’s as brain dead a take as any you would find on a Magatard community.

    And I do need to point out that nationalization is not inherently socialist or left wing at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They keep giving contracts to SpaceX because that's the way the budgets are mandated from congress. They have X amount of money to distribute. Everything goes to generally the lowest bidder, and because there are only a handful of options, they have to keep using one contractor to produce their parts because it's even more expensive to keep switching.

    So drop the attitude. Usually the worst bidder gets the job, and it ends up costing more money after everything is said and done.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not tough to see how you ended up permabanned on reddit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I actually am skeptical of nationalization. I think the free market is more efficient in most situations.

    But if you think SpaceX is running circles around NASA, well that's so ridiculous that I'm starting to doubt myself.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They did though, they massively cut costs of launching a rocket, which is again the real barrier for space exploration, especially commercially viable space exploration. It’s not clear that NASA could have done that seeing how their costs remained roughly the same for decades, but don’t take it from me, take it from NASA themselves:

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200001093/downloads/20200001093.pdf

    What’s your counter argument for saying they didn’t run circles around NASA?

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    That’s bound to happen every now and then. At least it hasn’t happened with people inside.

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