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[–] 9 points 22 hours ago

We need to start a database of all these "dems" and their votes to build an interactive website for election season. Easily searchable maybe with a timeline with bill title, date voted, bill summary, link to bill and their term expiration. Along with a score of their voting record on a scale of [people <----> corporation].

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    [–] 63 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    DSA needs a "Primary Targets" list on its website, backed up with voting records like this.

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  • [–] 50 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

    The bill’s Democratic supporters—including Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, and Chuck Schumer of New York—argue it is a necessary compromise to accelerate construction of clean energy projects.

    Trump has been paying companies for canceling their green energy projects. This is like telling an abuse victim you'll protect them after the boyfriend gets in a few more licks in.

    Oh and obligatory "Fuck Chuck"

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

    Fucking Whitehouse. So glad I don't live in RI anymore.

    RI could be energy independent if it wanted to...between existing solar/wind infrastructure, RIRRC generation, legacy generation...and then keep investing into wind/tidal/solar.

    Oh and hydraulic. You know the Blackstone River used to be disgusting and incredibly productive (as opposed to just the former). Massive mill systems along its shores. Kicked off the US side of the industrial revolution. Allowed the north to even be abolitionist in the first place (aside from, ya know, the whole Newport slave trade....but fuck Newport, damn island is nothing but welfare recipients living in mansions pissing on welfare recipients living in overpriced cottages tiny-homes, while all the shopkeepers live on the mainland, making bank off of the highly seasonal economy).

    But MuH OcEAnFroNt ViEWZzz!

    Oh suck it. Wind turbines are fucking cool. I'd rather have a dozen in my view of them than some lame flat endless ocean. Assuming I could ever afford to live some place with a view.

    I guess it's kinda telling...the Industrial Revolution itself is whitewashed history. Last time around, it "ushered in the end of slavery" while giving capitalism big shot of steroids. Then machines in factories replaced laborers and craftsman, people were out of work, and the rich got exponentially richer as money concentrated at the top.

    Fellas like Rockafellar and Ford and DuPont used their wealth and influence to get people to vote against their own interests. Not to mention the rise of fake news yellow journalism, and the Press Barons themselves.

    If they would even vote...lots of attempts to suppress woman and minority votes, even when they were legally allowed to.

    Then we join a world war and come out on top because most of the rest of the "industrialized" world was bombed to hell, while we were building up interstates and railways to feed the military. We joined at the end of the fourth quarter, jerked off around the Mediterranean, had a couple good fights, took all the credit, and started a cold war with the actual heroes.

    Eventually the rest of the world northern hemisphere rebuilt, they're kicking our ass, and we are about to repeat the cycle.

    Last time it took the Dust Bowl to really kick our asses into complacency. I hope next year's fertilizer shortages (and probably water shortages, at this rate, too) will compare?

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  • [–] 34 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

    from the article: The 22 members of the Senate Democratic Caucus who voted with Republicans for passage were:

    Heinrich (D-NM)

    Hickenlooper (D-CO)

    Kim (D-NJ)

    King (I-ME)

    Klobuchar (D-MN)

    Ossoff (D-GA)

    Peters (D-MI)

    Reed (D-RI)

    Rosen (D-NV)

    Schatz (D-HI)

    Schumer (D-NY)

    Shaheen (D-NH)

    Slotkin (D-MI)

    Warner (D-VA)

    Warnock (D-GA)

    Whitehouse (D-RI)

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  • [–] 13 points 16 hours ago

    The new election was such a mixed bag for me. On one hand we now have Peggy in the Senate. On the other hand we have fucking Amy traitor Klobuchar as the fucking governor of Minnesota to try and fill the shoes of Walz. God I hate her so much

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  • [–] 17 points 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    Hickenlooper is up for reelection next cycle - hope Colorado sends his ass packing. Imagine voting with Republicans just a week after the country clearly signaled the far left is what they want. Can't wait to vote against this old neocon.

    Also - schumer lol. Of course

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  • [–] 29 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Why the fuck is a single Democrat voting for ANY MAGA legislation?

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  • [–] 96 points 23 hours ago (23 children)

    Vote em out:

    Blumenthal (D-CT) Coons (D-DE) Cortez Masto (D-NV) Fetterman (D-PA) Gallego (D-AZ) Gillibrand (D-NY) Heinrich (D-NM) Hickenlooper (D-CO) Kim (D-NJ) King (I-ME) Klobuchar (D-MN) Ossoff (D-GA) Peters (D-MI) Reed (D-RI) Rosen (D-NV) Schatz (D-HI) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Slotkin (D-MI) Warner (D-VA) Warnock (D-GA) Whitehouse (D-RI)

    But don't lump shitty neoliberals in with "democrats" like others agree with them

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  • [–] 12 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    Klobuchar (D-MN)

    I was intrigued the other day after the midterms by a comment that pointed out that the Minnesota democrats are actually a different party than the national Democratic party. (Yikes, capitalization feels very important in that sentence!)

    So I was reading about the DFL and how they were supposed to be the more progressive wing of the people that form the collective of the Democratic Party. But then I saw that Klobuchar is their highest office holding member. I got very confused how she is the face of progressive Democrats. To be fair, all I've really seen or heard of her is what she said or was said about her when she was in the presidential primaries, but I wasn't sold on her based on that.

    Other than that, apologies once more from PA for Fetterman. Still better than Oz, but still the worst Democrat in the senate... 😖

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  • [–] 10 points 20 hours ago* (2 children)

    She is a terrible face of it. She's lucked out because of that last point you made - she flies under the radar.

    2006 she succeeded Mark Dayton (yes, of Dayton's. Interesting fellow).

    In 2012 she won in a landslide, but I don't remember her being particularly popular.

    2018 people were pretty damn low morale, so she didn't face a good primary challenge.

    2024, the focus was all on Trump, she just stood against Trump with experience as a prosecutor, ez pz.

    For this Governor run, it was pretty much name recognition after Walz pulled his name.

    At least Minnesota has a chance to replace her senate position with someone more progressive.

    Edit: and she has a history of supporting terrible legislation that had great sounding names (like this) but furthered an opposite agenda.

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  • At least Minnesota has a chance to replace her senate position with someone more progressive.

    I hope so, but it's far from a sure bet.

    I fully agree with you about her and think we can do better, and she's had quite a bit of luck, but there's more than that.

    Historically she's been very popular in outstate MN for reasons I don't fully understand but I'd be very curious about the percentage of business owners in rural MN (and people who think they're business owners like victims of MLMs). In the polarized MAGA era that effect has declined significantly and she only outperformed down ballot Dems by a few percent. I'm not sure that matters anymore though.

    Sadly, she's indicated she'll be picking her own replacement. It'll probably be Angie Craig (ugh) but the MPR article I pulled up to check mentions that she could totally pick a "big city mayor" and Klob has the chance to do the funniest thing ever - Mayor Frey gets to be a weasel on the national stage for a bit only to get primaried out of politics entirely while Minneapolis can get anyone else as mayor.

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  • [–] 11 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    Ossoff surprises me a LITTLE bit. I didn't think he was a progressive but it seemed like he was trying to ride the wave. same with Warnock.

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  • [–] 11 points 22 hours ago* (2 children)

    peters is retiring and abdul has taken his seat, fyi

    edit: not surprised by slotkin, tho. unfortunately we're stuck with her for four more years.

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  • [–] 7 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    It sucks that a lot of them are on their way out, but somewhat expected because this is how democrats have helped pass bullshit in the past. Also dissapointed to see freshly elected democrats (like Ossof) vote for this, though I'm not familiar with most of their track record on this type of stuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Ossof is a conservative Democrat that is somewhat adept at co-opting a shaved down language of left wing economic populism(while functionally upholding the class interests of donors and the party status quo aligned with them). So he is good at tricking Dem party loyalists and pundit-brain rotted progressives into thinking he's the next Obama.

    Hence why he is also currently circulating as the new hot 2028 candidate from the Dem pundit and consultant mouthpieces in the media.

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  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    That is the smell I get from him as well. I have found myself liking some things he says but then i think of his support for the isreali genocide in gaza and it greatly shadows anything positive he might have a hand in.

    My litmus test for support has come down to where they lean on the support for genocide. Given his stance on that, I'm not exactly surprised about him voting for the bill in the op or the other things you mention.

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  • [–] 6 points 20 hours ago

    It's not a bad litmus test under current US politics.

    It is about the most powerful third rail in politics right now that exposes the contradictions within the Democratic Party and their voters

    Someone that is an Israel First Democrat is basically a 1 for 1 for being corporate captured on other issues as well.

    And a willingness to call Israel a genocide, an apartheid, and support a full arms embargo(including defensive weapons) is also a good clue they won't be speaking half measured on healthcare policy, housing, wealth taxes, universal childcare, fighting Trump, ending Citizens United, supporting unions, banning AI data centers, a living wage, and any other issue that faces internal contradictions with Establishment corporate Dems and their voters.

    And sure enough, Ossoff is problematic on all those domains as well.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

    But don't lump shitty neoliberals in with "democrats" like others agree with them

    Schumer is literally the Senate Leader currently.

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  • [–] 14 points 23 hours ago* (2 children)

    Because Jamie Harrison was the DNC chair during the last vote for Congressional leadership...

    Neoliberals lost the DNC like a month after that. The VF they used as a club to get Schumer/Jeffries leadership is gone. That's the entire reason people started criticizing them openly, they're toothless

    The VF moneywas given back to state parties that it was stolen from, and the reason there was a blue wave.

    You don't have to trust this DNC wont use the same club, because the fucking club doesn't exist. They couldn't influence the next leadership vote if they wanted to.

    If Schumer and/or Jeffries get it again in January, than yeah, you got a point.

    Until that vote spend your time reaching out to the incoming Congress and telling them to go with progressive leadership in 2027

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    Because Jamie Harrison was the DNC chair during the last vote for Congressional leadership...

    The DNC chair does not choose who the Senate or House leader is. That is done by a simple majority vote by both chambers.

    Neo libs definitely still have a ton of institutional power in the party. Just look at the amount of center right Dems currently sitting in an important committee chair. That's really how power is doled out by the party leadership, and it's strengthened by the fact that the full house or Senate votes to approve appointments put forward by the RNC or DNC leadership apparatus.

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  • [–] 25 points 13 hours ago

    I fuckin hate these people

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  • [–] 20 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    That fucking sucks.

    If you read about the legislation, there was a lot of phrasing in it to make it sound like they were giving concessions to climate goals, but in practice it's really just a palatable wrapper to cut red tape for fossil fuel companies.

    It had a couple riders though such as lukewarm regulations for data centers, so I wonder how many of these Dems got caught up in that, or how many neglected to read it for its substance.

    I have no doubt that some of them at least voted for it because it's a boon to the fossil fuel industry though.

    We might be able to use some parts of it to further the development of renewable energy infrastructure, but overall that's a consolation prize at best, and this should have been rejected in favor of crafting better legislation next session.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    or how many neglected to read it for its substance

    All of them neglected to read it. I think senators and congresscritters should have to take a test to prove they read a bill before being allowed to vote on it.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 hours ago

    It’s been said the only true role fulfillment championed by dem leadership is to be the perennial opposition party. They are not paid to win and subsequently they do not motivate their lesser peers to behave like winners. Schumer and Jeffries were chosen to maintain a constant loser state of existence.

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    Ossoff WTF are you doing!?

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  • [–] 17 points 13 hours ago

    The man is a Democrat, but only barely.

    He is less insane than his Republican opponent by far, but not a great candidate in his own right. I'm glad we won the general election but I wish he had lost the primary to someone more progressive.

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  • [–] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    It's not like he ran as a progressive. He's pretty center left.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago

    Left, hahahahahahahaha. that was funny. You guys wouldn't recognize leftism if it kissed you and told you you are going to have sex with it.

    WHAT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE/LEGISLATOR ACTUALLY WANTS WORKERS TO CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION? Just one name please. Bet you cant, because there are none.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 hours ago

    The Democratic party and GOP should both go the way of the Whigs. Neither are working for the American people. Or humanity.

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  • [–] 9 points 22 hours ago

    A bill to facilitate data center builds. Fantastic. /s

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  • [–] 24 points 15 hours ago* (1 child)

    I'm flabbergasted! I have been blindsided!

    What next? No universal healthcare? Seven bucks and change minimum wage in 2026? No term limits? Openly senile senators and Presidents? Madness.

    We live in strange times. It's almost as if they're openly colluding without even bothering to hide it. Everybody on Lemmy knows "bOtH sIdEs" is Russian propaganda, this must be fake news.

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  • [–] 8 points 22 hours ago

    Fuck you, Chucklefuck.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 hours ago

    This is why I get tired of the US getting criticized.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago

    It was one party all that time? Damn, they're good!

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago* (2 children)

    I always like to consider every side of an argument but since this community has socialism in its name I want to ask you all a question- if you lived in a socialist country would you also oppose measures like this or would you want a more efficient process?

    In my opinion, leftists in socialist countries are used to having projects completed relatively quickly, projects that meet the goals of the state and which further societal interest.

    I do not support projects whose goal is to make money for corporations. I do not support projects that cause great harm to the environment for profit. I realize that in America we have for-profit systems that are motivated by greed. So the expedition of permitting processes will probably only help the corporations. But my question is about how you would feel about this type of efficiency if the projects benefited society as a whole.

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  • or would you want a more efficient process?

    Not sure what you're asking - but a large part of the reason that I find capitalism such a bad idea - and particularly the neoliberal private/public version - is that on top of the cost of the capital, you also need to pay out the profit to the parasitic owners.

    I'd be very happy with less red tape, of course, provided that it was actually giving effeciency. But most capitalist moves in that direction are actually just increasing externalities - putting the risk on the public to increase private profits.

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  • But my question is about how you would feel about this type of efficiency if the projects benefited society as a whole.

    A rational society would have an honest conversation about just how much our environmental impact on our nations and planet should be, and to weigh the cost and benefits of various forms of environmental impact. Everything we do affects the environment in some way. You have to weigh the benefits and drawbacks. You can avoid digging a landfill if you build an incinerator, but then you have to deal with the emissions from the incinerator. Solar panels reduce CO2 emissions, but you have to build a mine to get the materials to build them, and all the damage therein...Vast solar farms in the desert are a great idea, but now you have to build vast new energy transfer infrastructure. That's going to involve tearing down some nature.

    How you balance all those? Local damage vs global issues like climate change? Do you try to create some planet-scale ecological model, and have scientists optimize for minimum biodiversity loss? Do you just leave everything up to popular vote? I don't know. Choose your flavor of socialism. But the idea is that the overall human impact on society would be something that is consciously chosen and managed in some rational way other than pure profit.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    This is exactly what we need to point to whenever someone says vote blue no matter who.

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  • [–] 7 points 52 minutes ago*

    Depends. Is it Primaries season, or is it the General election?

    If the former, then vote progressives in.

    If the latter, show me in the races these Democrats were elected where the Republican wasn't objectively worse on practically every issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 28 minutes ago

    I don't think that is a gotcha once you consider the full context.

    Voting blue is not an assertion that the Democrats are good.

    The problem is that our culture is so rotten and voting system so broken that the other viable choice is nazi dictatorship on top of being even MORE capitalist and corrupt and destructive.

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  • [–] 1 point 30 minutes ago

    Because if course they did. Bought and paid for.

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    [–] 35 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

    Yea votes:

    Blumenthal (D-CT)

    Coons (D-DE)

    Cortez Masto (D-NV)

    Fetterman (D-PA)

    Gallego (D-AZ)

    Gillibrand (D-NY)

    Heinrich (D-NM)

    Hickenlooper (D-CO)

    Kim (D-NJ)

    Klobuchar (D-MN)

    Ossoff (D-GA)

    Peters (D-MI)

    Reed (D-RI)

    Rosen (D-NV)

    Schatz (D-HI)

    Schumer (D-NY)

    Shaheen (D-NH)

    Slotkin (D-MI)

    Warner (D-VA)

    Warnock (D-GA)

    Whitehouse (D-RI)

    Abstain:

    Murphy (D-CT)

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  • [–] 20 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    If these are your representatives, stop what you're doing and contact them to express your displeasure of their support for this bill.

    At least then you can say you did something even if they (likely) ignore the fuck out of your concerns. Talking about it on the internet to bring awareness is great, but reaching out to your representatives directly is what may actually make change.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Shaheen doesn't give a fuck about her constituents... moot point.

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  • [–] 51 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    Funny hows there's always enough democrats to pass republican bills.

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  • [–] 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

    Hmm... of the 25 senators to oppose the bill, all but one were Democrats.

    The one exception was Republican Mike Rounds of South Dakota, who’s always been opposed to any kind of environmental regulation and who has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the oil industry. I wonder why he flipped on this one?

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    Clarification I think is needed. This was only a vote to move the bill forward, it has not been voted on to pass. This is the time to put the pressure on to Democrats to push for the items that the American people want, and push back on special interests (specifically oil companies).

    Getting this through cloture allows Democrats to publically debate and fight. Not doing so leaves it in the back room and obfuscates the Trump/MAGA agenda. The next hurdle is to get this out of debate - Senate procedure typically requires a 60-vote cloture vote to end debate on the bill itself before the final passage vote. The fillabuster gives Democrats a mechanism to keep this from going to vote that only needs a simple majority.

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  • [–] 14 points 22 hours ago

    These old fart Dems are just as bad as republicans. Get them OUT!!! We need representatives actually representing the people. A revolution of the mind is needed in this country and these people are why.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Just more failure from the Democrats in leadership and the entire party honestly.

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  • [–] 5 points 21 hours ago

    Retaliation from the neoliberals. Getting in their scumfuckery before January was expected but still frustrating.

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    [–] 14 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    the parasite class isn't going to go away quietly. we still have a long way to go.

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  • [–] 7 points 17 hours ago*

    Crazy that all the new Congress members who haven't taken office yet didn't do anything?!!?????!

    /s

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago

    So we drag them out of office, convince them to resign, and choose someone who isn't shit.

    As a bonus, this will send a message to be better, or face direct action.

    ..... A girl can dream...

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago

    But it’s in everyone’s best interest we pass this bill, everyone meaning us investors, you peasants on the other hand well you’ll get to pay more for gas and be happy about it. /s

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  • [–] 4 points 20 hours ago

    Yep, but anybody online who actually expects MORE out of Democrats must just be a Russian bot, right? I'm tired, boss.

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    Democrats = Corporatists Republicans = Oligarchs Choose your poison.

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