But they were just following orders! They were patriots fighting for their country!

This.

Dismantle ice then treat them the way they treated immigrants they thought were illegal. Aka imprison them then starve them.

The Senate can't abolish ICE unless they have a veto-proof majority, which they do not. They should eliminate funding for ICE, and pass as many bills as they can and put them on Trump's desk though, and keep up the pressure until we elect a Democrat to be president in 2028 who will dismantle ICE and make ICE agents unemployed again.

Senate won't prosecute itself ╮(︶▽︶)╭

Rein*

Open the fucking borders

*rein

To rein something in is to pull on its reins. Has nothing to do with a reign.

Abolish and prosecute ICE from the top director to the bottommost clerk.

Do not forget the detention facilities and the entire companies that contracted to ICE. Levy crippling fines to the corporations.

Trace policy and contracts upwards into the banks and investors. Find out not just who gave the orders, but who knew and remained involved.

It is time to call all these shithead Democrats out.

No! We don't want ICE reformed, and if you truly think that it is time for you to go.

Many might br eager to talk, offer evidence about the crimes of their superiors and give insight. That's why Trump would want them to remain protected from accountability.

Here are some useful resources that can be used to list ICE agents and serve as a record to hold them accountable:

• Icepick comprises records on more than 40,000 U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees and contractors. The data consists of full names of employees and contractors; job titles, including roles tied to surveillance and forensics; work email addresses and email group memberships; work phones numbers; and office locations. No outlet in the fact base reports home addresses, Social Security numbers or financial data in the set. Data from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and other organizations is included.
• The Ice List is an independently maintained public documentation project focused on immigration-enforcement activity in the United States organised by Crust News. The TOR mirror of the site is here.

It would help if people here were to voluntarily add some information from the Icepick list to the Ice List.

"Did someone say give them a whole bunch of money for more training?"

This one at least should be a low-hanging fruit that we can reasonably accomplish, because if anyone at this point still doesn't see the clear need to abolish ICE and prosecute its agents and officials for their abuses of power and violations of constitutional rights, then they're fucking hopeless.

Time will tell whether the congressional leadership we'll have going forward will be willing to push for this. All I can say is that they'd fucking better.

I'm feeling optimistic lately but still not optimistic enough to hope they'll abolish ICE and prosecute the nazis. I'll settle for reigning them in right now.

This situation is a good test for both intent and realism over the next two years among the politically minded on social medias.

A good way to fall short is to insist on letter writing campaigns, or say it’s politically necessary for top democrats to accept ICE.

More specifically I am looking to see how this changes political movements, if at all, when and if the top democrats fail to do much over the next years

That's a rather moderate position to take.

Well done, Lemmy!

Told you so

Need to get away from Acronyms that suck. ICE should be the Department of Immigration and Emigration... DIE, no, wait.

I want this as much as anyone, but the political reality isn't as easy.

First off - prosecution isn't gonna happen with this administration. The legislature may have flipped, but the Justice Department is executive. Of course they should investigate and do everything they can to preserve evidence, but they can't prosecute and if they're too heavy-handed with the investigation Trump can pardon his gestapo.

Abolishment or defunding are technical possibilities, but I don't think they'll be able to get a veto-proof majority. They'd need a bunch of Republicans to flip. That's actually a possibility in the Senate, where most of the remaining Republicans realize they still hold their seats because of electoral timing. But the Republicans in the House just won re-election, and if you coupd win in this environment you're pretty safe.

So defending will probably come down to a government shutdown. I personally think stopping Trump is worth a shutdown, but it's a big political risk going into 2028, and the Dems NEED to win the White House so we can start prosecutions.

It's funny to think how abolishing ICE is a perfectly libertarian position fitting of Ron Swanson, only because he's a comedic steelman argument from before most "libertarians" supported Trump.