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[–] 104 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Ughh… don’t call it superintelligence. That’s not a thing.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    ASI is an industry term. This is not Trump's idiot SI.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    The people pushing it the most are anti-intellectuals.

    We need to call it fake intelligence.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    That's what it's already called, "artificial" is a synonym for "fake" in most contexts.

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago

    Somewhat, though fake also implies it isn't actually intelligence. It's a charade. Artificial intelligence does the opposite. They're related, but I don't think they're technically synonymous.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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    Yes - maybe I should have been clear about what I was implying. Artificial is clearly too big of a word for them to understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    It's a thing in the sense that unicorns are a thing. There aren't any currently, but it's a coherent concept. If they banned unicorns within city limits, the ban wouldn't do anything unless someone managed to make a unicorn; same idea with ASI.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It's a real term.

    "Artificial Superintelligence (ASI) is a hypothetical stage of AI where a computer system surpasses the cognitive performance and problem-solving abilities of the most gifted human minds across every domain of interest."

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    1. that's an "industry term" in the same way that "panopticon" is a prison industry term, or that "brain in a vat" is a neurology term. It's a name made up by science fiction writers and philosophers to describe a thing that does not exist, and has never existed. Might it exist in the future? Maybe, but that's irrelevant to an issue of law. You can't pass a law banning an ill-defined "panopticon", because that isn't a term of art enshrined in any US code.
    2. because, as you say, it is purely hypothetical, such a law would be unenforceable, and would likely fail a test in court.
    3. because it is, once again, nonexistent as of yet, the burden is on you to prove that they aren't specifically referring to the term which the Shit lord of Hamberder enshrined in his executive declaration, because that use of "Superintelligence" actually has a basis in current US government parlance.
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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I really want to see how they measure the "cognitive performance" of an LLM...

    I also want to know what part of problem solving exists outside of these tests, as it's actually a core component of cognitive testing.

    Seems like someone made shit up, I'm guessing using an LLM...

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  • [–] 53 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    How would this be enforced?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Easy, if a company in Bloomington says "it was just our AI chatbot," busted. If a person says "well, Grok told me," busted - hope you live outside city limits. If a small business uses the slop font, send in the SWAT team, we got 'em boys. Tune all the city's Flock cameras to watch everyone's phones and we'll root out this cancer!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    You've missed the entire point. ASI is a real industry term and it does not exist, may not exist in our lifetimes. This was a safe bet by the council to make them look like they're doing something about AI when all they did was to ban leprechauns.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    Don't call it artificial superintellgience FFS ☠️☠️☠️

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Why not? It sounds hilariously stupid (which is accurate).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It’s really easy to make the argument an LLM is not an “artificial super intelligence” because it’s not. Remember it’s the letter of the law that often matters not the spirit of it

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  • [–] -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It's a real industry term, not a riff off Trump's dumbass SI.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    LLMs are not artificial super intelligence! They're just text prediction machines with some reinforcement learning and are not smart enough to be considered such

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    People are talking about the ban itself but in what fucking world would a law only be repealed with consent of “95% of registered voters” LMAO

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  • [–] 39 points 2 days ago

    you don’t have to change the law if you change what words mean, and in this case, they did not ban llm’s. they banned a thing that does not exist

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    This is supposedly the actual ordinance

    https://bloomdocs.org/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/2026-10-14-Bloomington-city-council-Ord-2026-29-Artificial-Intelligence-Rollo.pdf

    However it's not published on their official government site (yet?), which only has up to ordinance 28 published (the anti_AG one is #29). I can't find any indication this has actually passed (note that the doc linked above isn't signed and has an empty space for date-of-passage). But maybe the site just isn't updated.

    https://webmail.bloomington.in.gov/council/legislation/Ordinance/2026

    I guess the interesting parts are, the justification for the law

    Under Indiana Code § 36-1-3 (The Home Rule Act), the Common Council has sovereign authority to regulate public safety hazard nuisances within its jurisdiction.

    The definition of what's banned, which, as other comments have pointed out, doesn't actually exist

    Superintelligence” shall be analogous to an Artificial General Intelligence (“AGI”) with capabilities of Agency (A), Generality (G) and Intelligence (I), wherein an AGI does possess super-human capability in all three aspects, of AGI, as an AGI wherein any such autonomous Agentic (A) system capable of self-modifying its core algorithms, executing code in environments outside its initial sandbox, or operating without continuous human oversight while Generally (G) performing any complex goal-oriented task that may affect municipal infrastructure, financial markets, or public safety, in combination with an extreme level of super-human Intelligence (I), and defined by the AI Industry standard terminology “Superintelligence” herein defined as “Any intellect that greatly exceeds the cognitive performance of humans in virtually all domains of interest.”

    And that it doesn't say you can't use it, it says you can't "deploy" or "distribute" it

    No person or corporation shall distribute or permit to be distributed nor deployed into the premises of any citizen or business in our City, any Superintelligence for any purpose. Deployment, for the purposes of this ordinance, shall include the remote execution, activation, or utilization of any unauthorized digital agent through a locally accessed interface, browser, API, or connected hardware within the City of Bloomington, regardless of the physical location of the server infrastructure hosting the system.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    However it's not published on their official government site (yet?), which only has up to ordinance 28 published (the anti_AG one is #29).

    50k Satoshi says that nobody knows how to update the site without AI assistance, and the AI is preventing them from doing that.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    https://www.idsnews.com/article/2026/11/bloomington-city-council-ai-commission-member-removal-udo

    Superintelligence 

    The council also voted on an ordinance that would bar the distribution and deployment of superintelligent artificial intelligence in Bloomington by any person or corporation. The ordinance passed unanimously. 

    The ordinance defines superintelligence as AI that outperforms humans at nearly all mental tasks and can act autonomously, such as rewriting its own code or operating without continuous human oversight on tasks that could affect infrastructure, financial markets or public safety. 

    This applies to the use of superintelligence in Bloomington through a browser, app or other connection. 

    The ordinance acts as an interim public safety measure to the Bloomington Municipal Code. Through this ordinance, the city is allowed to seek civil penalties, injunctive relief and referral to the county prosecutor. 

    According to a memo accompanying the ordinance, neither the state nor federal government have enacted safety parameters for artificial superintelligence. To address these dangers during government inaction, the interim public safety perimeter would protect digital networks and local businesses from artificial superintelligence in Bloomington. 

    The interim measure will only stay in place during federal and state inaction. If the Indiana General Assembly were to establish a safety framework to address artificial superintelligence, the ordinance would expire 91 days after. 

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  • [–] 45 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    The ordinance defines superintelligence as AI that outperforms humans at nearly all mental tasks and can act autonomously,

    Oh, so they didn't actually ban anything.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah this seems like nonsense, but I'm guessing it's intended more as a show of the desire for stronger regulation, the way they frame it as a stopgap until the higher levels of government come up with something more coherent.

    Then again, given they're apparently using "superintelligence" unironically, it could be they're just a bunch of spooked Skynet doomers.

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  • [–] 135 points 2 days ago (23 children)

    In the US, you cannot ban people from using an app on their personal phone in your community. This is just ignorant. I'm not an AI bro, but you can't just have each community deciding on what constitutional rights they want to violate.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 days ago (16 children)

    Not sure freedom to use apps is included in the US Constitution ..

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  • [–] 63 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    That would likely violate the first amendment. Many of the ways you use your phone are considered forms of speech/expression. Wholesale banning of sectors of these by a government is a legitimate violation of your rights.

    Fuck AI, tho.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    Tell that to all the places that banned porn.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Well, you see, something something God.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    AI is something that violates every posible law (moral and legal). It should be hard banned.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    In all seriousness, if someone wanted to sue that local government referring the first amendment, they would likely take the ban down.

    That said, I don’t find any actual article from a reputable news outlet describing what actually happened and what is in the city council ordinance. Likely a brief unenforceable article, which, as such, has no bearing on anyone’s life.

    A redditor mentioned they banned “self improving” ai, which, if true, would explain why it isn’t getting more coverage- this is a nothing burger.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    A redditor mentioned they banned “self improving” ai, which, if true, would explain why it isn’t getting more coverage- this is a nothing burger.

    The year is 2029, Meta's GrokBots have taken over the world. They approach Bloomington Indiana, their next target. A kindly older gentleman approaches the army on the outskirts of town.

    "Sorry boys, we banned self improving AI back in 2026, you are not allowed here."

    The robots nod and continue onward, parting around the outskirts of town like a river flowing around a rock.

    The town is saved. It becomes the last bastion of humanity within 6 months.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago

    Constitutional rights are made up, the Supreme Court can interpret the Constitution however they want.

    That's how they're forcing ID laws onto porn now. They make up some shit about "reasonableness" and your rights are gone.

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  • [–] 1 point 23 hours ago

    Maybe, but this isn't discussing using an app on your phone. This is discussing an app using a service that is not on your phone. If you're running a model locally then sure, they probably can't do anything about that. If it's a product being sold by a company then they can.

    As an obvious example, they can ban you from using a child pornography app (regardless of if it's local-only). I'm certain you agree that they're allowed to do that, right? It's obvious in that example. What's the difference with AI if they ban that?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    What does that mean?

    What does this law actually ban? ChatGPT? I think the fuck not.

    Does it ban something that doesn't exist yet, but might exist someday? If so, what is it, other than a feel-good measure that does nothing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Basically the definition it uses to define what is banned is so broad it probably makes all computers and smart phones illegal. The simplest thing to do is for someone in the city to argue that its illegal and get it revoked which takes a fraction of 1% of registered voters instead of nearly all of them.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago

    Unwanted AI on your smartphone while driving through town? That's a fine and a jail sentence. Genius.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    What the hell is artificial superintelligence?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago

    Sounds sorta... silly, honestly. Yeah, we need a course correction on AI, or more, we need a significant course correction on big tech. But a city council 'banning' it, without understanding / clarity on what they're banning, is nuts.

    Like here they define a bit clearer what they're banning --

    ban autonomous systems that can modify their own core algorithms, run code outside their initial sandbox or perform complex tasks without continuous human oversight if those tasks could affect municipal networks, banking, financial markets or public safety.

    Most enterprise firewalls would fall into this category, email filters too. Got an email system that automatically updates its algorithm to block malicious attackers? Banned. Even a simple script to help with sorting through financial data -- like doing money-laundering/fraud checks overnight, with an outputed report in the morning for staff to investigate when they get in, would potentially fit the ban criteria.

    Most 24/7 continuous monitoring systems that use algorithms to send alerts/notify humans would fall into this category -- they're specifically designed to watch for complex variable combinations, and then alert humans when potential issues shows up, so they're explicitly designed not to be running "continuously under human oversight".

    "AI" is such a broad/undefined term, that blanket banning tends to also ban technology based on algorithms that've been around for multiple decades, without significant issues. Sorta like how the EU's initial AI regulations had to make all these absurd carve outs for things like "Credit Scores", because a credit score is technically an algorithm, and they were legislating algorithms.

    The ban's also nearly impossible to enforce, given its scope, and where "AI" has its hooks. Like if you ban AI, but all of Microsoft's products have it entrenched at this point... while I don't agree with it, I guarantee you the government / council would rather be in a state of non-compliance with their own law, rather than use Linux.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago

    Are they banning witchcraft and unicorns as well?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    The council also voted on an ordinance that would bar the distribution and deployment of superintelligent artificial intelligence in Bloomington by any person or corporation. The ordinance passed unanimously.

    The ordinance defines superintelligence as AI that outperforms humans at nearly all mental tasks and can act autonomously, such as rewriting its own code or operating without continuous human oversight on tasks that could affect infrastructure, financial markets or public safety.

    This applies to the use of superintelligence in Bloomington through a browser, app or other connection.

    The ordinance acts as an interim public safety measure to the Bloomington Municipal Code. Through this ordinance, the city is allowed to seek civil penalties, injunctive relief and referral to the county prosecutor.

    According to a memo accompanying the ordinance, neither the state nor federal government have enacted safety parameters for artificial superintelligence. To address these dangers during government inaction, the interim public safety perimeter would protect digital networks and local businesses from artificial superintelligence in Bloomington.

    The interim measure will only stay in place during federal and state inaction. If the Indiana General Assembly were to establish a safety framework to address artificial superintelligence, the ordinance would expire 91 days after.

    https://www.idsnews.com/article/2026/11/bloomington-city-council-ai-commission-member-removal-udo

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago*

    Sounds like § 307 StGB

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    "Super intelligence AI"... damn they're ridiculous

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

    I would like to know what whoever downvoted me thinks is good about the term "super intelligence AI". Not only it's redundant, since apparently "SI" is supposed to mean "AI", it's also factually wrong twice.

    Edit: aww i got downvoted again. Use your words, the downvote button is not a disagree button.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    This is pure theater, unenforceable, and it wouldn't hold up in court for a second. You can't just add "no takebacksies!" to a law and make it permanent.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago

    It's theater, but it would be fun theater to drag the big companies marketing "super intelligence" into a courtroom, just to go on record stating that they do not have, and can not make, super intelligence.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    This is so dumb and exactly what I would imagine from Indiana. Everyone in here cheering it on is braindead.

    Life is never as simple as people like this wish it was.

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    The last step is laziness born of becoming jaded. Its easier to generalise, so people tell themselves it was the answer all along. Stupid trap, dont fall for it.

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    I think a rule that legislation can be overturned by the same size majority as passed it would be neat. If something is only marginally popular, it won't take a big coalition to remove it, but if 95% of the people vote for a thing, good luck changing it!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Nice!
    Banned it even before it was made.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Yall are fish for taking this bait lmao 🎣🎣

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    Where do we file applications for the position of city Bladerunner?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    Superintelligent AI

    🤣🤣

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