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[–] 88 points 3 days ago (9 children)

What kind of fool would jump from a functional ship to a sinking one?

Just Fetterman and Stevens I guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Stevens is getting that sweet blood money from aipac, cushy lobbying gig maybe. Federman too, though he probably doesn't realize he's useless to them now. No cushy job or blood money for him.

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  • [–] 78 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    TBF, I thought he already had.

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Has in spirit, not in title. He'll switch almost immediately to make sure the dem's headline senate control is a little more tenuous and looks worse on paper.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Lol, the one guy on CBC even talked about having a Fetterman resistant Senate majority

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  • [–] 54 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    He’s officially irrelevant now and I am so happy.

    I’ll never have to hear about him or Susan Collins again.

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    No, but originally he was supposed to help keep a dem majority, but that crumbled when he started voting republican.

    Now it doesn’t matter because they have a majority without him. So he can just sit in his corner for 4 years until he’s primaried.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 days ago

    Bringing that heat upon himself when it won't even help? He'd have to be some kind of brain damaged. Wait...

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  • [–] 28 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    The Governor has the mandate now. Call that fuck to heel.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Currently there's no legal way for a state to recall their senators. States have tried in the past, but all the attempts were defeated in the courts.

    In reality, even with a hypothetical friendly court, there's no way the case would make it all the way through the appeals process before the senator's term was over and they were either voted out or reelected.

    Honestly, this is a good thing. It means that no Republican governor in a trifecta state can recall a Democratic senator.

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  • "The Democratic Party has gotten too extreme...."

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  • [–] 24 points 2 days ago

    It'll never not be funny to me that he started leaning heavily towards MAGA only after sustaining literal brain damage.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    He lies and says he's a Democrat

    His name is Fetterman

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  • [–] 26 points 2 days ago (14 children)

    How is he actually still a candidate? Genuine question, I don't follow US politics that closely.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    He's not, but he still has the rest of his term to serve. Unfortunately there is no recall mechanism either.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    No recall mechanism/sanction for lying about intentions after the vote is the core problem of modern democracy. We read news in real time but takes 4 years to throw the liars out. Its too easy for the corrupt lot.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't say core problem but it's definitely a critical component missing from any ernest attempt at actual democracy.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it seems easily fixed. Also, instantly recallable delegates are a feature of anarchist systems, which representative democracy should learn from.

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  • The challenge of designing/iterating on a better system is easier than the political challenge of getting a chance to try it.

    And then you have to defend that chance from saboteurs, enemy propaganda, poisoning the discussions on how to proceed, sanctions, invasion, literally anything and everything the old world can do to try to smother it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (7 children)
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    The House and Senate have complete control over their members.

    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

    It would take 67 votes in the Senate, but they absolutely could expel him. That won’t happen because it would require getting now 12-14 republicans on their side to kick him out, and he’s useful to republicans.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    I think that's the only real solution to the problem that's laid out in the current legal framework. It's historically pretty difficult to pull off though.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Doesn't impeachment require actual illegal acts?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    Impeachment is what Congress can do to other branches.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Surely the democrats have updated their vetting process after Kristen sinema... right?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago*

    Not unlike the Russian pawn Jill Stein, Sinema had roots in the Green Party -- often bankrolled by GOP megadonors in order to spoil the vote. Psychopaths with no loyalty go to the Green or Libertarian parties to get some easy money and set themselves up for a future in heartless lobbying to spoil on behalf of the other side.

    The best you can do is hope for is a long history of public service and taking hard stances before they were popular -- in other words, leading from the front with courage (like Sanders for example).

    With Fetterman one cannot fully rule-out the massive stroke he had, which commonly alters behavior as he had an extensive public service history and at least in my view at the time was more progressive pre-stroke.

    I am very curious to see who rises to the occasion in PA to take his seat in '28

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    Why would he charge his affiliation? There's no reason to unless you're running... You can just kinda quietly change sides

    You know, pull a Federman

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago

    STFU Johnny, you're out of your element.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    This guy looks like he should wear a helmet

    Jeffries looks like the only time he’d laugh is if he saw a homeless person fall down.

    Sometimes you can judge books by their covers

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    Better to keep a man on the inside, especially since he can't flip control and can keep voting with the regime anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago

    Lol, it won't be enough.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    He won't change sides, he gets committee power from being in the majority party. He would have switched in a 50/50 split but not now.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    If he’s smart he’ll hold out for the big money like Haley Stevens got. Don’t sell yourself cheap.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    I saw him just yesterday for the first time and I thought he was talking for Republicans.

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