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[–] 160 points 4 days ago (36 children)

I always thought that Intel was what kept AMD in place being a cool producer of linux-friendly components, so I pretty much dread the day AMD gets to be free from the shackles of competition.

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  • [–] 90 points 4 days ago (20 children)

    I'm keeping an eye on the RISC-V space. Not far off now... I hope

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  • [–] 50 points 4 days ago (6 children)
  • [–] 36 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    Pretty far off but China has some nice manufacturers...or they would if AI didn't exist.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    This is generally the problem with ISAs.

    ARM has had decades in the oven, x86 has had almost half a century, while RISC-V manufacturing and ISA development has been generally available only a couple of years.

    The fact is if there isn't a big push by some major vendor - or some nation state, then chances are it'll develop slower than the previously mentioned ISAs.

    From design, to testing, to prefab, to packaging, it's all combined just a single step of the journey to improving yield and performance.

    ARM is unfortunately the current trajectory, with Qualcomm, Apple and now NVIDIA leading the charge - which doesn't bode well, simply because you won't know what the hell the firmware do.

    We could truly use some market disruption in this space and RISC-V, being an open ISA, would be the safest bet for digital sovereignty and user autonomy - but apparently those things are only important on paper.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Can we make our own RISC-V chips like using FPGAs or something? Or would that be infinitely less robust than anything purpose-built by industry?

    Chinese manufacturers seem to offer plenty of options for RISC-V MCUs and raspberrypi knockoffs, but they seem to be always sold out or they don't ship to my country

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    The ESP32 series have already switched to RISC-V for most models and many other microcontrollers has too. There's not a lot in the laptop/desktop territory but with enough incentives it's gonna happen

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Oh ya, the C3 and I think the C5. Not sure what the current versions are but if they're in esp32's then I guess that's pretty main stream, just nowhere near a computer processor just yet.

    Are the RISC-V ESP32's cheaper than that ARM ones?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    FPGAs are going to be way more expensive. It's possible, but the cost-to-performance ratio would be abysmal.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 days ago

    Sorry, but AMD stopped pretending to be giving any fucks about the little guy. Lisa has been visiting those Trump AI dinner events. AMD is all in on producing AI hardware first and consumer hardware second.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (11 children)

    As an European I'm ashamed that we have 0 presence in this market

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    It's okay. Your continent's specialty is cheesemaking. And bread. You guys make good bread.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Good bread can be had anywhere. Even in your own kitchen. The best bread I ever had was baked under the crudest of conditions with the barest of utensils and then baked on a hot rock heated in a fire.

    Now cheese on the other hand.......

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Not true. The Netherlands has ASML, sort of a monopoly on the manufacturing of semiconductor machines.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah but no actual semiconductors made here.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Well yeah because that is a near monopoly in Taiwan with TSMC. It is a supply chain and every part in that chain is just as valuable. There is a serious presence of Europe/The Netherlands in the form of ASML in the chip market. It is one of the bargaining chips of the Dutch government when it deals with the United States.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    At least Arm is British. Their instruction sets keep getting more popular.

    Though I admit, it's a little hard for me to estimate how much of a contribution the Arm intellectual property makes to something like an Apple M5 CPU, or Nvidia Grace CPU.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    The competition has been a boon for us plebe users. And I would expect AMD to continue be Linux friendly if for no other reason it costs them very little to nothing. And they aren't as intertwined with Microsoft as Intel has been for decades.

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  • [–] 76 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    A factory accident in Israel has shut production long enough to dent server chip shipments, while soaring memory prices are squeezing PC demand. The 28.6% drop erased about $140 billion in value and triggered a wave of downgrades. The stock is still up sharply for 2026, but has now given back about half its value since its June peak.

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  • [–] 50 points 4 days ago (16 children)

    is the bubble finally bursting? i thought it would be way higher than 29%

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  • [–] 99 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Intel stock is up over 200% over the last 2 years (even with this 29% drop) so it's way too early to say it's popped.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    The fun thing about percentages though: you can have a 10,000% gain, but a 100% drop is an instant wipeout. So a 29% drop can still be more significant than what the value was two years ago.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    I agree that Intel is overvalued. My point is that you need to zoom out to get a better picture. And a stock that's up 200% over 2 years is doing really well. It's funny because your point about percentages was reflected this morning, Intel has slid another 6% so now it's only up 175% over the past 2 years.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Yeah it came right down to <$20 at one point. I bought a fair bit in 2025 when it first did, and sold most of it at $100. So you know, I'd not mind if it came back down again to repeat the exercise. Although when I got it 2 years ago, I thought "Not even Trump would let Intel fail" and to be fair, he did authorise a cash boost.

    I am not completely sure that would be true again. I'd probably still take the punt at $20 again though.

    This is a weird one though, because they've not even been the biggest name behind AI by anyone's estimation. Why they took the biggest hit goes beyond AI I think.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I was in at 24-28 and sold at 58-62, definitely okay with a round 2 attempt if it gets back into the mid 20s.

    Randomly another stock ive played the yoyo with is Boeing - BA

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    According to this random website I found (at least it has sources) intel still makes 22% of it's revenue from consumer hardware. So the ram companies making consumer hardware more expensive (or just droping it entirely like micron did) harms intel a lot more than it harms the ram companies.

    Edit: The 22% also includes computers sold to businesses but not data centres

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  • [–] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Wait a couple more hours for the trading to open back up and watch what happens to the other tech stocks, they're either gonna bounce or the floor is gonna fall out of under them.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    They're already up in OOH trading. Not a guarantee they will go back up when US trading opens proper. But, it's usually a good indication.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    What's the saying, that the market can ignore reality longer than you can remain solvent, or something to that effect.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Another way to say that stock had become extremely overvalued and may be getting back to reality?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 days ago

    RISC-V is becoming closer to an alternative to AMD and Intel.

    https://homebox.software/en/quick-start/install/ application for example has an experimental build for RISC-V.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    They were at 20 dollars a share 2 years ago, so, like, still a 3x increase in value since then. Just, dumping all the “Unga bunga! Datacenter carpeting planet!” Over hype valuation

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    Something that could be said after Black Tuesday in 1929: The DJIA was under 200 2 years ago, so, like, still a 25% increase in value since then.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    One of the unspoken secrets of the Great Depression. The rich guys still only got richer, even as unemployment skyrocketed and public amenities were gutted.

    The worst years for Wall Street were between the 1940s and 1960s, when the public sector surged and Americans saw the biggest increases in quality of life.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Intel stock is up 66% YTD.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    Time to buy. Or not. WHO KNOWS.

    Their recent laptop chips have been pretty decent though.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Well, if the real problem is RAM price, and I'm not convinced it is, more fabs are due to come online late next year. Ram and disk prices will come down eventually. Might be a year or two.

    I'd be more worried that AMD is eating their lunch and will start on their dinner and breakfast before the prices drop again.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    Typical Intel.

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    Next! 🤩✊🏼

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  • [–] 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Not really. They just climbed easily and fell back but they're still up overall.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Several from the 1% want to buy more shares.

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    Kind of glad I timed my sale of tech sector index funds right at the peak of this bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    You remember when they were the bad guys

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  • [+] -20 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    It's hilarious that a lot of leftist think it's actual money that was lost. The value will go back up in a few days. It's actually a good time to buy a lot of AI or tech stocks now because you'll get a major discount.

    In fact, some mad lads probably made a killing shorting many of these stocks when financial reports hit investors and they panicked.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago*

    It kind of is real money. A lot of these stocks are tied to peoples retirements. People do invest in these things because they are told to and its a good idea, which it is. I think trump started giving kids stocks as a way to prop up the ai economy even more.

    Like I get what you mean but it still is real money some where lol. You can be right on some fundamental but also come off as ignorant. To do what you suggest with shorts would mean I would have to get a lot more involved, and my incentives start getting mixed up. Instead of feeling joy when I see stocks to down I start to worry because now I have to use my brain and try to figure out if I bail now accept my loss, or try to use some "insider knowledge" I've gleamed from polymarket or whatever and start gambling my money against people who are rigging the money at a scale that I can't even imagine. I would have to spend all day reading articles and listening to news and buying 10k courses from the PBD podcast, when private equity runs the stock market with ai and makes grand sweeping decisions that wipe you out in a instant.

    Over time my opinions are going to become warped because I don't see the world as how it should be, and how it needs to be for me to keep making money as a leech. Suddenly I start viewing Palestinians as terrorist because I'm invested in a company that's making automated turrets to clear way for the trump hotel in Gaza. The alternative is I get a real job and become a normal human being not tied into a death cult.

    Maybe i was going to short openai a year ago, and then all sudden they so something I would of never even imagined like buying out all the worlds stock of ram, and their stock goes up 500%. That's gambling and they're just using your own greed against you.

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