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[–] 100 points 1 week ago

Capitalize profits

Socialize losses

When things are going great, give everything to the rich ... when things eventually go badly, let the poor pay for everything. Why would the world want to hurt or take away the rich man's wealth?

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  • [–] 87 points 1 week ago (1 child)
  • [–] 62 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    Let's see, Anthropic is about a trillion, OpenAI is about a trillion, AMD is about a trillion, SpaceX and Meta are two trillion each, Amazon is 3, Microsoft is 4, Google is 4, Nvidia is almost 6... So something on the magnitude of a $20 trillion bailout?

    The USA budget is only a quarter of that. The entire federal budget.

    This is going to be fucked, isn't it?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    They’d have to incinerate Social Security, defund every school, let infrastructure rot, and hyper-inflate the dollar into worthlessness just to keep Wall Street’s AI bubble afloat... Which is beyond fucked.

    Welcome back to life as a peasant.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Welcome back to life as a peasant.

    Which is sort of what their glimpses of post-AI jobs in the future they could actually substantiate suggest. It's all a big heist from the wealth of the people into the pockets of the wealthiest using the smoke and mirrors of a "democratic" government, fueled by the possibility of them no longer having to placate human societies in any way if AI and robotics becomes advanced enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Don't worry, AI will still be around then to do all the thinking for us! It'll tell us how this was all for the best, and how we should be thankful to our overlords! We'd surely be making the best of a bad situation and not following a plan for this exact thing to happen!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Maybe they can just Klarna it, there’s no interest right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    lmao, Klarna says that abroad? They've been established here in Sweden for like a decade at this point. Fucking leeches, inserting themselves everywhere. No good tech comes out of Sweden.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    TBH I have no idea how it works, but they're always advertising "get it in 4 no-interest payments from Klarna"

    I've never used it, I already have a credit card I'm attempting to avoid using 😂

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Good! Klarna has become a basic payment processor here. It can be difficult to not use them, even when paying directly.

    Like when I had to return a bag of my dogs food, they told me to contact klarna. I was baffled because I paid with a card directly. Had no idea klarna was even involved in the process.

    They’re well known for exploiting people. Like we have ads for splitting up payments for fucking fast food using klarna. Ugh! And the CEO is just begging to meet Green Mario. Such a massive cockwomble.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    AMD is cash positive. They have 2 billion long term debt but hold 13 billion cash (as of June 2026). Where are your numbers coming from? AMD's market cap isn't even quite a trillion and market cap is just last sale price multiplied by total shares.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Numbers are from Wikipedia.

    It's certainly likely that not all of these companies will need a bailout. AMD and NVIDIA sell products that are generally useful and established, but it's hard to say how much of any of these company's value is tied into AI hysteria or contracts that will fall through when AI customers go belly-up.

    Yes, the bailout price is also not the same as valuation. I don't think it's outrageous to think that the coming recession will wipe out $20 trillion from the market, though.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    AOC and Bernie Sanders are trying to pass laws to prevent bailout of AI.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Once again, the American middle class, or what's left of it, will be the ruling class's personal piggy bank.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    With what? We have nothing left

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago

    Their IPO's are already socialising the debt they gathered, right into your stock portfolio/ retirement fund

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    Under any other administration I wouldn't believe such a thing would be a possibility. I can see Trump offering funds in exchange for relabeling products "Super AI".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    Who was in charge ehen banks came begging for money in 2008?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (8 children)
  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Guess again.

    It was Bush's policies that created the mess, but (😱) it was Obama who allowed i) the bailouts the happen, ii) the actions to go unpunished, and iii) the system to continue.

    https://youtu.be/wb9qikdg3M0&t=14m20s (FD Signifier)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I thought Bush signed the TARP law to give bailouts and Obama signed Dodd Frank that cut the amount of the bailout.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I also thought the Obama bailouts were largely if not completely repaid with interest, albeit with interest rates that were close to zero at the time.

    Also Dodd-Frank was a good law and gave us the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Which until Trump and Doge killed it, was actually putting a small dent in financial crimes and credit card predators.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I don't know the total amount repaid. AI suggested all but $15B, out of $426B paid out from the treasury. Also other guy said Clinton signed glass-steagall, minor note: he repealed* it.

    Obama was far better than Trump and Bush, but I think he dropped the ball on that one, and on Russia's annexation of Crimea. He was in a strong position to empower the people, but he kinda left the door open for authoritarianism.

    Was it the best decision to continue Bush era policy, hang millions of families out to dry, deny accountability, and allow neoliberals to pursue their mythical infinite growth? Just... bygones?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    I agree that the ballots should have focused on fixing the inequality and should have fucked the billionaires who caused these problems.

    Ukraine was trickier at that time though. They were still uncertain who was going to run Ukraine. Poroshenko was a bit questionable but at least started to defend Ukraine, but had serious problems with corruption too if I recall. Zelenskyy wasn’t in power yet and propping up the wrong guy was risky.

    The problem is that the Obama team never seemed to think Trump had a chance and figured Clinton would be able to work on all the problems it was in the middle of. That was the biggest mistake of his presidency IMO. that and allowing McConnell to steal the Supreme Court

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    The only things Russia exports more than oil products are propaganda and corruption.

    Many formerly Russian-occupied countries spent a few generations under a system that's run as a mafia rather than a government. Estonia is a great example of resisting that culture and rebuilding quickly after re-independence. Ukraine is also culturally distinct from Russia, but Russia entrenched itself much deeper in Ukraine, because i) the land is richer, ii) the population is larger, and iii) Kyiv is 'their' place of origin.

    It was much harder for Ukraine to sever the ties. Estonia had the non-violent singing revolution, while Ukraine had the bloody Euromaidan, which resulted directly in the 2014 invasion. Corruption is still an issue (and not unique to Ukraine), but at least their government listens to their people now.

    Ugh, McConnell... (shakes fist gerontocratically)... I need a drink 🥃

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    You stated 2008, Obama wasn't sworn in until January of 2009. I'm right, you just need to ask better questions. Also I expected this type of response since it seems like a bothsides was being setup. But please, do elaborate with the dates confused.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    The difference is that the banks are actually necessary for the economy to function. And mitigations were put in place to limit that exposure in the future. Mitigations that have been stripped back again in recent years because of billionaire lobbying.

    None of the AI companies are necessary for the economy. And the big players that stepped into the quagmire aren't over leveraged enough to actually be in danger. Only the AI-only companies are in danger. The mega corps like Meta, Microsoft, Google, etc. would be hurt but would survive just fine.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    It’s actually the wealthy that would suffer if it goes tits up, and if things are actually changed to put the nation on a path to recovery. Think about Europe post ww2 and how fucked their infrastructure and economies were and what it took to rebuild within 3 generations to the point they were actually thriving comparatively. That took coming together and reinvesting in society, nations building. The wealthy don’t want to do that. But that’s what it would take to recover and restart the economy, because there is no flow to the bottom 98% anymore. The wealthy would have to willingly reboot it by going back to putting their fair share back into circulation and earmark it for rebuilding.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Dude, it's 500 BILLION, you're off by 3 orders of magnitude

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  • [–] 35 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Intel lost 29%, 29!!! FFS it's incredible!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    That was pretty insane yes, but ServiceNow also dropped 30%.

    Google dropped about 10% but it was enough to put them back to last years October stock value. No gains this entire year for stock owners at all.

    Stocks are feeling dangerous as fuck on report day. I would recommend people to sell before reports in this environment.

    Next week we have Apple, Amd and Qualcomm.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Service now should be a penny stock that shit sucks ass

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    ServiceNow has also been pushing chatbots hard. Part of the cost of using their platform was mandatory training about how great all the chatbots are and how you should be using them for every aspect of your work.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    And they'll get them. Because that's cruelest towards the people.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Well, it makes it a nice bookend. After all, they got a bunch of taxpayer money to begin with, so it's only fair they get a bunch more at the end.

    (Scummy, corporate welfare arseholes).

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    Well, at least we can always blame immigrants, poor people, and teachers for the financial collapse, just like last time.

    Instead of occupying WS, what you think the chances are someone will test its, or silicon valley's, degree of combustibility?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    I bet they were trying to become too "integrated" to fail.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    I can't see them getting bailed out. That would be political suicide for either party. AI companies aren't creating jobs, they manufacture nothing (like autos) and they're not our financial backbone (like banks).

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    They tech companies themselves likely won't get a bailout, but don't rule out the Fed warming up the ol' money printer. All the borrowing for data centers, where do you think they're borrowing from. Banks, insurance companies, bond investors and private credit funds. Those first two are the key. If a too-big-to-fail bank or insurance company gets jammed up by their own bad loans to hyperscalers, you best believe they're going to the Fed, hat in hand, asking for another bowl of that sweet, sweet quantitative easing.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Well crud. I hadn't seen that angle.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Yeah, my understanding is that once bankers have bet more of other people's pensions and life-savings than they can cover if they lose the bet, they are in line for a bailout.

    In effect, the more catastrophic your bet is, the less personal responsibility you have to take for it.

    One of the many hypocrisies and perverse incentives of capitalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    In effect, the more catastrophic your bet is, the less personal responsibility you have to take for it.

    "If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    What about all the major companies who have scraped their workforce to replace it with AI, so sure that it would pay off. They also can't afford for AI to go under, so they'll add to the "please bail us out" for the good of the economy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Would it still be political suicide if it was bipartisan? They'll make up a million stupid reasons, unleash their army of bots to promote it, and try the same thing Facebook did in 2016.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Please let them fucking die

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    US is already 40Trillion in debt what's a few more zeros

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    500 million? we can do better

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Too big to fail. It’s Deja vu all over again.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    its considered acceptable to kill someone if they're trying to rob you. in america its considered rude to not use a gun.

    I'm not sure how I feel about this. it usually feels disproportionate, but austerity and centralization have a very real death toll, so maybe it's not.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The difference between AI and The Auto Bailouts is the auto bailouts actually required repayment, and was to protect real jobs and real industrial knowledge.

    This AI bubble won't be able to bailed out, it's not real, it's not jobs, it's nothing but fake numbers, there's no chance they can ever repay anything and the knowledge is already mostly public and can be recreated without wasting billions more to forward the tech.

    And if they do bail them out... It means money actually means nothing and Americans should just burn down their government.

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  • Well there were conversations that AI should be public..... Publicly bailed out by taxpayers with a negative return on investment.

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  • Oh if the orange turd is still in power he'll "bail" them out no questions asked

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    And they will be granted, because it's the only thing holding up the illusion that is the economy right now

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    Did my guy p-stews just deliver this blessing on his way out the door?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    ...and the AmeriKans continue to tell the world how much they despise SOCIALISM. Go pee in the wind.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Of course they are but what will be saving? A bunch of complex human guided plagiarism machines that they use to hack others while claiming it is doing it on its own?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    And they will get it

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