I love the clamshell form factor, but it should be two screens, not one delicate one stretched such that it will always show a crease and will fail after a year...
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I just want a phone that I can comfortably reach all points on with one thumb without having to juggle it about.
So when foldables started getting attention i was hoping theyβd make smaller phones that unfolded to have average sized screens.
Instead we got average sized phones that unfold in to a tablet. Even the vertical folding ones are too wide.
Drives me crazy how small phones died because "not enough demand" but a fragile gimmicky $2000 folding phone is perfectly commercially viable
All tech is killing off budget options because of the increasing percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% who will just buy the most expensive option without regard for features or practicality.
Small phones would be cheap and cheap phones break the illusion that 2000$ phones are normal.
It has nothing to do with demand, it's just that the bottom 99% isn't a profitable market segment anymore.
Seems like more people rant online about small phones than buy them.
I guess the problem is that the kind of person who buys a small phone is also the kind of person who only buys a phone once every 5+ years.
If they can't milk you for $1000 every year they'll just give up trying to sell you anything. :P
Certainly has not bern a shortage of demand for the duo, people have been losing their minds over the thing
Call me crazy but I miss 16:9 5"/5.5" standard smartphones(aka pre 2018) made it possible to comfortably 1-hand. Then they had to switch to doom-scroll long ratio sizes.
Didn't one company basically made a GBA SP kind of phone, where you fold vertically to make a small square?
Edit: samsung galaxy z flip i think
You want small? There you go: https://gadgetbond.com/bluefox-nx1-4-inch-compact-android-15-smartphone/
But yeah, itβs a shame there isnβt really a market with competition. Basically all serious phones are already too big for my taste. I have an iPhone 13 Mini and that is already slightly too big and I couldnβt even replace that with a similar sized one if I wanted to.
The Unihertz Titan 2 Elite is surprisingly small. The Minimal Phone 2 might be as well. And they have physical keyboards β yay.
Unihertz Jelly Star
I loved my jelly star (it's battery died this year). I would still like something like 1.5x the size of the jelly star. The jelly max kinda disappointed me with somehow removing features from the smaller phone whilst somehow still being as chonky.
I don't use Android. Can you de-google it at least somewhat? I would consider giving it to a kid as a cheaper harder to break phone.
Comfortably reach all points with one thumb? Would that not be really small? For me that would be like 1/2 the size of a normal phone when I don't actually hold it but just having it lay on my hand (aka high drop risk). When I actually hold it like usual I can reach, with that is thumb, maybe 1/4th?
Yeah, I'm on Pixel 10a, which is ostensibly the same size as the 7a I had prior, and for that I give a real half-hearted thanks to Google for at least not making it bigger. I still miss phones the size of my s4. I want a phone that discourages watching long form content, and we're unfortunately in the opposite direction.
How much could it cost to design and mass produce a phone that's exactly the size I want?
I had to stop with the pixels after the 3. The 3 was already my upper limit on size and i wanted a slightly smaller phone. Sadly at the time i upgraded their was only bigger phones and then the jelly star which is tiny. I got the jelly star and it lasted me a good few years before the battery fully crapped out on me, but i would still prefer a phone in-between those two sizes.
I have seen one of these, folds lengthways into more of a square shape. No idea what the model is though.
Z flip series from samsung. Crazy expensive though, I don't know if there are any reasonable alternatives
The problem with all of those types is that theyβre still too wide to reach across with a firm grip.
I don't think I really get foldables. Instead of having a phone and a tablet, you can have one device that does a shit job of being either (the outer screen is usually a weird aspect ratio and not optimised for one handed use, and the inner screen is quite small as tablets go), but it also costs the same as just getting both. Oh and they're also very fragile.
I also canβt deal with the β¦. Texture? Of the screen. I want that screen to be hard hard hard. And a foldableβ¦ canβt be.
I agree, having lived through the old plastic covered LCD screens it would be nearly impossible to convince me to give up my gloriously durable tempered glass.
Can't say I've seen a foldable screen that feels notably different from any other screen with a protector?
Unless you're pressing hard enough to damage a normal display I'm confused
I don't really get the ones that are tablet sized but fold down to phone size, but I do love my regular sized phone that folds in half.
It fits in all my pockets, it's easier to carry in my hands, the folding in half is great for using the flashlight and the camera because you can be hands free, and while you could have this on a non folding phone I do really like the half screen on the back.
I did break mine eventually after a year, but that is honestly pretty par for the course for me - and it was fixable. In its defence I am officially clutzy and drop things regularly, and also it fell out of my pocket at one point and got driven over by an SUV (and it still worked for another month, I was impressed. I dropped it one last time a month later and the screen detached at the fold and the hinge went askew).
See, I'm the reverse, I don't understand the phones that fold in half. A regular phone already fits in my pocket and I want to use it as a table if needed; usually for video content.
The pockets thing is 100% more of an issue for anyone wearing women's pants. Mine are 50/50, and the difference is very annoying.
Apparently slightly thicker than usual but half the height is a good compromise for women who need to be able to put their phones in tiny pockets.
It might depend on how large your pockets are. I've been tempted by the flip foldables because I'd love to have more options to put the phone than just my back pockets. Though I'm not actually sure if the front pockets on my pants are large enough for those.
Something that fits the pocket like a phone, with a larger screen you can read a book on is something very enticing.
But those things can't do either, and as you said, are expensive and unreliable.
Cause I want a phone for pocket fit, but I want the screen size of a tablet.
I like being able to open it up and read comics or watch videos, but still have it conveniently usable as a regular phone. I had one for a few years that I kept in my pocket daily in a very physically demanding job and never had any problems with the fragility. Only reason I got rid of it was because I'm done having Google hoovering up everything on my phone
They are much more durable than you think. The hinge absorbs impacts really well so they are much more likely to survive falls, the inner screen scratches easily but since it is closed when not in use thats not really a concern. I do wish mine didnt have the outer screen since I barely use it, but I find the larger screen is really useful in general.
For book-styles: mostly, it's not having to charge, carry and sync two separate devices. It's a lot nicer to type on 2-handed than a bar-style phone, especially for those of us with fat fingers, the inner screen is much better for content and games. Outer screen's aspect ratio matters little as it is mostly for quick things anyway Yes, the flexible screen is a little fragile, but is fairly well protected when folded - moreso than a naked tablet. I've shattered the outer screen of my fold and the inner was fine.
I tried carrying a cellular iPad Mini as a phone for a while but kept having to find coats and pants with giant pockets - and I cracked two of them.
I've found that a good grip is essential to ease of use on folds though (and I drop it much less).
The phone-to-square ones seem to be most popular with those with pocket space problems, as they fit neatly into small pockets and are less bulk to hang from a lanyard, belt clip etc when you have no pockets.
Because I can't put a tablet in my pocket. Front screen is fine, inner screen is fine, big enough to be a significant improvement. Fragility isn't an issue if you're not needlessly rough with it.
It's amazing isn't it that this product category has been around for nearly a decade and then apple come in with their version of the product and its back to generation 1. The whole point of Apple waiting around is so they can steal everybody else's innovations.
They made a βbetterβ hinge. Apparently thatβs whatβs failing and breaks the screen.
So did they not test it?
Which is hilarious because even their 'better hinge' tech is just a copy of the OPPO Find N's 3d resin smoothing idea.
What? The two processes are nothing alike, where did you hear that they were? OPPO is adjusting surface flaws in machined components by filling with 3D resin, whereas Apple is directly printing components from an amorphous metal.
where did you hear that they were? OPPO is adjusting surface flaws in machined components by filling with 3D resin,
Apple themselves, via techcrunch
βDuring manufacturing, we use AI algorithms to precisely match each individual hinge with its best-fit housing to ensure perfect alignment, and a confocal laser progressively scans the topology of every single unit and 3D prints up to 25 micro layers of a custom photopolymer to eliminate residual waviness,β
Their hinge is using the same tech, in addition to whatever other thngs they'd thrown in.
No, I assure you it's just boredom.
More like, how to push people to buy more.
Bro and you would fucking SNAP that flip phone down to end a call. That's the only reason people talked on the phone in the day. So they could snap the phone down at the end. Once we traded slap for slab there was no reason to talk on the phone anymore which is why we just text now.
I had a Nokia 7110 and the slide of the Keyboard Cover is a tactile Sensation I still yearn forβ¦
ah that phone went a week without charging, which has as much to do with how much we used phones back as with how fast smart phones deplete battery.
Weird how my gameboy uses less battery than my tv
Your TV has batteries? 'Splain it to me Lucy!

This is the moment technology peaked
It needs a battery-backup for the built-in hot mike, storage and wifi. What if there was a power outage and somebody said something exploitable? It might miss something marketable. Or worse: viable blackmail.
Surely they at least thought about adding a thick border to prevent the screens from rubbing together, right?
The damage happens at the fold. Not sure anything can be done about that.
make a hinge that doesn't break and take out your fragile bendy screen?
there is a korean video where it broke in the same spot, and the part of the hinge that broke was very thin.
ffs, every other manufacturer has a fold phone, and none of them experience this high a failure rate, this quickly too.
ffs, every other manufacturer has a fold phone, and none of them experience this high a failure rate, this quickly too.
We don't know what the failure rate is, as of yesterday there were "at least 10 different confirmed cases". And I remember Samsung also had similar issues on their first fold phone for example.
Either way fold phones are stupid as far as I'm concerned and never should've been invented. Just another way to part idiots and their money.
Before release: They took time to perfect their product so they will beat the other folds After release: It's a first gen
I don't really think being the first gen is a great excuse
Naw the 2025 Razr is pretty much perfect, I got it for $165 at release.
My dream phone is a jailbroken iPhone 5, with all those old apps ported through time, with a flip-out keyboard.
β¦Thatβs it.
Everything since has been a downgrade for my usage.

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