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[–] 65 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

I love the clamshell form factor, but it should be two screens, not one delicate one stretched such that it will always show a crease and will fail after a year...

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, man. Look at how well-protected those screens are when you flip it closed! I don't care what version of Gorilla Glass+++ you have, no one's throwing a smartphone in a backpack or laptop bag without good screen protection...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    So, the first one I had (1st gen DS) fell of a table on the hinge and broke. I eventually got a new case from China and got it working. Second one, 3DS XL, I was playing around with a katana and struck my leg, but I had a 3DS in a baggy pocket so I hit that instead, right on the hinge. It survived though, just has a small battle scar now.

    I took this as a sign to not use foldable electronics.

    Edit: Now that I think about it... My GBA SP didn't get any of its hinges hurt while in my possession... so 2/3 I suppose.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago*

    I’ve owned GBA, NDS, 3DS, and my brother had the DS Lite. Every Gen 1 DS I’ve seen has had its hinge break eventually. All the others on this list seem more durable. My GBA in particular went through some rough spots.

    But yeah, adding moving parts is always going to add more points of failure.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wasn't the Surface Duo actually 2 seperate screens?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Yeah and no one bought it because two screens is actually a terrible idea. The whole point of a foldable screen is a tablet in your pocket, would two screens you can't do that.

    The two screen folding phone is literally useless product category which is why only Microsoft made it, everyone else could see it was a stupid idea and didn't bother.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Folding up like that is potentially very robust if it's done right, keeps your screen safe. Personally I'd also go for a screen+keyboard combo (wow I just invented the laptop). A thin keyboard that doubles up as a screen protector, that should be a thing

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    We used to have a few designs like that.

    The outsides were just basic phone, so they were durable

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I used to own one of these bad boys

    Ridiculously cool, you basically transform into James Bond if you're using one of those. It was actually quite practical as well. But what I think would be a good modern take on that would be essentially a phone case that's a keyboard, so you keep the basic smartphone design intact, with the processor battery etc behind the screen. No reason for it not to be removable either. There's some generic large versions of that but if that was part of the phone design you could do it very compact and cute.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

    I just want a phone that I can comfortably reach all points on with one thumb without having to juggle it about.

    So when foldables started getting attention i was hoping they’d make smaller phones that unfolded to have average sized screens.

    Instead we got average sized phones that unfold in to a tablet. Even the vertical folding ones are too wide.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Drives me crazy how small phones died because "not enough demand" but a fragile gimmicky $2000 folding phone is perfectly commercially viable

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    All tech is killing off budget options because of the increasing percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% who will just buy the most expensive option without regard for features or practicality.

    Small phones would be cheap and cheap phones break the illusion that 2000$ phones are normal.

    It has nothing to do with demand, it's just that the bottom 99% isn't a profitable market segment anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Seems like more people rant online about small phones than buy them.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I guess the problem is that the kind of person who buys a small phone is also the kind of person who only buys a phone once every 5+ years.

    If they can't milk you for $1000 every year they'll just give up trying to sell you anything. :P

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Didn't one company basically made a GBA SP kind of phone, where you fold vertically to make a small square?

    Edit: samsung galaxy z flip i think

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Yeah, they are on the 8th generation. My wife has an older one, she's pretty happy with it. She got it with her contract, so paying about 30 euros for 24 months for the phone and service, average price actually.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    You want small? There you go: https://gadgetbond.com/bluefox-nx1-4-inch-compact-android-15-smartphone/

    But yeah, it’s a shame there isn’t really a market with competition. Basically all serious phones are already too big for my taste. I have an iPhone 13 Mini and that is already slightly too big and I couldn’t even replace that with a similar sized one if I wanted to.

    The Unihertz Titan 2 Elite is surprisingly small. The Minimal Phone 2 might be as well. And they have physical keyboards β€” yay.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I loved my jelly star (it's battery died this year). I would still like something like 1.5x the size of the jelly star. The jelly max kinda disappointed me with somehow removing features from the smaller phone whilst somehow still being as chonky.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I don't use Android. Can you de-google it at least somewhat? I would consider giving it to a kid as a cheaper harder to break phone.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Comfortably reach all points with one thumb? Would that not be really small? For me that would be like 1/2 the size of a normal phone when I don't actually hold it but just having it lay on my hand (aka high drop risk). When I actually hold it like usual I can reach, with that is thumb, maybe 1/4th?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm on Pixel 10a, which is ostensibly the same size as the 7a I had prior, and for that I give a real half-hearted thanks to Google for at least not making it bigger. I still miss phones the size of my s4. I want a phone that discourages watching long form content, and we're unfortunately in the opposite direction.

    How much could it cost to design and mass produce a phone that's exactly the size I want?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    I had to stop with the pixels after the 3. The 3 was already my upper limit on size and i wanted a slightly smaller phone. Sadly at the time i upgraded their was only bigger phones and then the jelly star which is tiny. I got the jelly star and it lasted me a good few years before the battery fully crapped out on me, but i would still prefer a phone in-between those two sizes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I have seen one of these, folds lengthways into more of a square shape. No idea what the model is though.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 week ago

    Original gif:

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago

    Man, I love the update to this classic.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago* (17 children)

    I don't think I really get foldables. Instead of having a phone and a tablet, you can have one device that does a shit job of being either (the outer screen is usually a weird aspect ratio and not optimised for one handed use, and the inner screen is quite small as tablets go), but it also costs the same as just getting both. Oh and they're also very fragile.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I also can’t deal with the …. Texture? Of the screen. I want that screen to be hard hard hard. And a foldable… can’t be.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Can't say I've seen a foldable screen that feels notably different from any other screen with a protector?

    Unless you're pressing hard enough to damage a normal display I'm confused

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I don't really get the ones that are tablet sized but fold down to phone size, but I do love my regular sized phone that folds in half.

    It fits in all my pockets, it's easier to carry in my hands, the folding in half is great for using the flashlight and the camera because you can be hands free, and while you could have this on a non folding phone I do really like the half screen on the back.

    I did break mine eventually after a year, but that is honestly pretty par for the course for me - and it was fixable. In its defence I am officially clutzy and drop things regularly, and also it fell out of my pocket at one point and got driven over by an SUV (and it still worked for another month, I was impressed. I dropped it one last time a month later and the screen detached at the fold and the hinge went askew).

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    See, I'm the reverse, I don't understand the phones that fold in half. A regular phone already fits in my pocket and I want to use it as a table if needed; usually for video content.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    It might depend on how large your pockets are. I've been tempted by the flip foldables because I'd love to have more options to put the phone than just my back pockets. Though I'm not actually sure if the front pockets on my pants are large enough for those.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Something that fits the pocket like a phone, with a larger screen you can read a book on is something very enticing.

    But those things can't do either, and as you said, are expensive and unreliable.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I like being able to open it up and read comics or watch videos, but still have it conveniently usable as a regular phone. I had one for a few years that I kept in my pocket daily in a very physically demanding job and never had any problems with the fragility. Only reason I got rid of it was because I'm done having Google hoovering up everything on my phone

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Literally never broken folding phone. The only folding phones I've ever seen people have an actual documented issue as opposed to people who just go off vibes is the original Samsung Galaxy Fold and the iPhone duo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    They are much more durable than you think. The hinge absorbs impacts really well so they are much more likely to survive falls, the inner screen scratches easily but since it is closed when not in use thats not really a concern. I do wish mine didnt have the outer screen since I barely use it, but I find the larger screen is really useful in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    For book-styles: mostly, it's not having to charge, carry and sync two separate devices. It's a lot nicer to type on 2-handed than a bar-style phone, especially for those of us with fat fingers, the inner screen is much better for content and games. Outer screen's aspect ratio matters little as it is mostly for quick things anyway Yes, the flexible screen is a little fragile, but is fairly well protected when folded - moreso than a naked tablet. I've shattered the outer screen of my fold and the inner was fine.

    I tried carrying a cellular iPad Mini as a phone for a while but kept having to find coats and pants with giant pockets - and I cracked two of them.

    I've found that a good grip is essential to ease of use on folds though (and I drop it much less).

    The phone-to-square ones seem to be most popular with those with pocket space problems, as they fit neatly into small pockets and are less bulk to hang from a lanyard, belt clip etc when you have no pockets.

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  • It's a lot nicer to type on 2-handed than a bar-style phone, especially for those of us with fat fingers

    Fat finger gang rise up. It's great to be able to actually use my thumbs to type, and not have to rely on swype or use my pinky like a stylus.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

    It's amazing isn't it that this product category has been around for nearly a decade and then apple come in with their version of the product and its back to generation 1. The whole point of Apple waiting around is so they can steal everybody else's innovations.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    They made a β€œbetter” hinge. Apparently that’s what’s failing and breaks the screen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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    They probably did, but could be that their production process is faulty and the problems only popped up during full production. It’s more a QA problem than a design problem. Otherwise every phone would have had a broken screen by now.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Which is hilarious because even their 'better hinge' tech is just a copy of the OPPO Find N's 3d resin smoothing idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    What? The two processes are nothing alike, where did you hear that they were? OPPO is adjusting surface flaws in machined components by filling with 3D resin, whereas Apple is directly printing components from an amorphous metal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    where did you hear that they were? OPPO is adjusting surface flaws in machined components by filling with 3D resin,

    Apple themselves, via techcrunch

    β€œDuring manufacturing, we use AI algorithms to precisely match each individual hinge with its best-fit housing to ensure perfect alignment, and a confocal laser progressively scans the topology of every single unit and 3D prints up to 25 micro layers of a custom photopolymer to eliminate residual waviness,”

    Their hinge is using the same tech, in addition to whatever other thngs they'd thrown in.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    No, I assure you it's just boredom.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Bro and you would fucking SNAP that flip phone down to end a call. That's the only reason people talked on the phone in the day. So they could snap the phone down at the end. Once we traded slap for slab there was no reason to talk on the phone anymore which is why we just text now.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    ah that phone went a week without charging, which has as much to do with how much we used phones back as with how fast smart phones deplete battery.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Weird how my gameboy uses less battery than my tv

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Your TV has batteries? 'Splain it to me Lucy!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It needs a battery-backup for the built-in hot mike, storage and wifi. What if there was a power outage and somebody said something exploitable? It might miss something marketable. Or worse: viable blackmail.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    As foretold in the ancient scripts.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Surely they at least thought about adding a thick border to prevent the screens from rubbing together, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    The damage happens at the fold. Not sure anything can be done about that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    make a hinge that doesn't break and take out your fragile bendy screen?

    there is a korean video where it broke in the same spot, and the part of the hinge that broke was very thin.

    ffs, every other manufacturer has a fold phone, and none of them experience this high a failure rate, this quickly too.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    ffs, every other manufacturer has a fold phone, and none of them experience this high a failure rate, this quickly too.

    We don't know what the failure rate is, as of yesterday there were "at least 10 different confirmed cases". And I remember Samsung also had similar issues on their first fold phone for example.

    Either way fold phones are stupid as far as I'm concerned and never should've been invented. Just another way to part idiots and their money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Naw the 2025 Razr is pretty much perfect, I got it for $165 at release.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    My dream phone is a jailbroken iPhone 5, with all those old apps ported through time, with a flip-out keyboard.

    …That’s it.

    Everything since has been a downgrade for my usage.

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