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[–] 130 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Sure, when your son punches someone on the opposing team during a kid’s hockey game he’s “defending his teammates honor”, but when I do it I’m “assaulting a minor” and “not allowed within 300 feet of a school” by a so-called “judge”.

I thought this was America!

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  • [–] 66 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Fuck I thought hockey was like, the only sport other than boxing where you're supposed to punch them.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I think a pro hockey player would get kicked out of a game for sucker punching a player at face off.

    They can fight, but there's a sort of "gentlemen's agreement" that is usually consensual and happens after face off. Referees will often even give them space to duke it out.

    Unless someone on the other team did something really fucked up, then all bets are off (and you take the suspension for sucker punching them lol).

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Yeah, there's a lot of unwritten rules about where the lines are drawn on legitimate play for competitive advantage in the sport itself, to dirty play that veers into being about hurting someone rather than playing good offense/defense, socially acceptable fighting that is part of the broader game, and is penalized within the rules of the game by the refs on the ice, to socially unacceptable fighting that warrants league intervention after the game for suspensions and the like.

    It can still be worth it, but we gotta place each act in the appropriate category.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    In the NHL it's fine. Actually if a penalty has already been called against your team then you can do anything you want until the other team gets a penalty.

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  • [–] 201 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Ref: "what are you, as his parent, going to do about it?"

    Parent: "well, he really likes the movies, so I think I'll take him to see the lastest blockbuster."

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  • [–] 80 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Have a good about when it's acceptable to use violence, and then buy him icecream.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Ugh this is become such an issue when typing anything on a smartphone; it sure really likes to put words in for you... or leave them out.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    I don't know if it's voyager or my keyboard app but I've noticed sometimes when I swipe type a word, it inserts the desired word but then sticks the cursor in front of the word instead of after it so any new text would go before the word and it gets pushed to the end of the message if I don't catch it.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    In highschool an opponent coach called one of my team mates the n word. I told the coach I was going to kill him. Referee decided the fouls canceled one another. Wish I had drop kicked that fucking cunt instead.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    what does the law say about any of those offences ?

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Some states have "fighting words" clauses in their statutes or case law that stipulate when someone's held less accountable for an otherwise clear-cut Assault/Battery.

    If what you say is obviously an attempt to get under someone's skin to make them throw the first punch it essentially blames you for the fight.

    Of course the devil's in the details, but rumor has it those exceptions exist.

    If it were me, I'd hope I'd have the courage to risk my job to use some Discretion in an event like that without clear statute/case law backing up a Fighting Words issue, but I never handled a case like that so we can never be sure.

    - Ex-cop

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Just mentioned "fighting words" in another comment. But those words weren't directed to the attacker, so would that still count?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    That question exceeds the scope of my training, experience, and rumor I heard on the job from other cops, so your web search would be as good as mine.

    I'm 99% sure I was never trained on it, 100% sure I never saw it applied, and such a scenario never came up in the rumor mill.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The insulter didn't threaten the girl, so he's clear. The boy is guilty of battery, no defense of others here.

    OTOH, "fucking whore" could be considered "fighting words", but I have no idea how that works if directed at another person. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • [–] 93 points 2 weeks ago

    When my nephew was a little kid he got suspended from school. My sister and her husband were working, but I was still in university so I offered to go pick him up. Turns out he'd done exactly this on the playground so I took him to McDonald's and bought him Lego on his day off.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago

    Hockey skills are life skills

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  • [–] 86 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    The correct solution is to wait for the game to start, then wait for that player to get the puck. And that's when you go in for as solid a body check as you can. Once they get the puck it becomes fair game to check them and you won't get in trouble for it.
    It's like a boxing match: you wait until you're in the ring and the bell dings before laying in to them.

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  • [–] 120 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    But then they might not know why they got hit.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago

    As sly as this is, I like the other guy’s response.

    It’s important to deliver immediacy. Also important to show public courage towards the act. “I assert, in full view of everyone, this is the right action and I deserve no consequences for it.”

    You may still be punished, but it’s still important you make the statement.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    If you’re in highschool. You can’t check until pretty late in learning the game.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    We were body checking in middle school. Maybe it's different now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I was too. As a peewee. I think that’s like 6th or 7th grade or so. However, I was the last year that was the case for. They had switched to bantams. Which, if I remember correctly, is 8th-9th grade. So, still on the bubble. Not sure if it’s changed since then.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It reminds me when I decked a kid in martial arts class because he made a yo mama joke. There were no consequences for me lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I did something similar in school. Laid out the kid making fun of me.

    We were in pads and helmets. It was middle school chickens establishing the pecking order.

    Kid was more abusive than most and picking on me in particular. Put him on the ground, made it clear that this would not be tolerated.

    Then I caught up with the running drill.

    That's kinda the attitude that is cultivated for success in athletics.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Why did he even get kicked out? It's hockey. Fighting is only 5 minutes in the box.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Youth hockey leagues are pretty strict about no fighting. Younger leagues have no checking, for obvious reasons. As you get older, it gets more physical.

    Personally, I disagree with the punch. Takes you out of the game when you and the rest of your team can just mark that guy as an asshole and make his day absolutely suck. For everyone saying, but he won’t know why: he’ll know. Plus, you can simply call him a whore every time you hit him. A dirty hit when he has the puck is 2 or 4 in the sin bin, and you get to hit him again later. A single punch is just that, and it’s all over.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Its also absurd because its heavily gendered. If someone called a male teammate a fucking whore we would laugh at them, take note that they are clearly salty, and fuck with them the rest of the game. If it was the girl who punched the guy in the face it would at least make more sense.

    Personally, I wouldnt cheer my own kid on for punching someone in the face and getting kicked out of the game. That type of problem solving shows a lack of creativity and compassion.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Agreed. The more I’ve thought about the more I think the comments are mostly a bunch of neck beards proud the kid “defended her honor.” As if she ever asked him to do that. What if it had been a girl on the other team calling his teammate the same thing? Girls can be brutal in their chirping. “Fucking whore” is pretty tame compared to what I’ve heard collegiate female rugby players call one another. Im all for the team ganging up on an asshole player playing like an asshole, but players in just about any team sport constantly shit talk their opponents. Somehow the other guy crossed a line by treating a girl the same as he presumably would any other player on the ice? If he singled her out, fine. Chirp back, or ignore it. And the one comment calling it bullying? Gimme a break. It wasn’t even said to her. Tell the guy to fuck off, score on him and give him a good hip check next time you can get away with it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Thrown out? Just give him a 2 min minor

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago

    My kid would get a Disney trip for something like this

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I’m tired of these damn horses causing all these problems

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    The white knight.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    Then that hockey game wasn't valuable. Fuck toxic enviroments as these that ban the ones who do the only correct thing to do.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

    Hey, violence isn't the answer, let alone "the only correct thing to do".

    Edit: you all are real tough guys for advocating that the rude child in this totally true story get beat up. What a bunch of losers.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    we had an 'airforce' player in our team. he usually was only on the field, if the other team played dirty. the most dirty opponent would have a painful clash with our 'airforce'. the game usually was a bit more civilised after that.

    was it the right thing to do? probably not. would we have sent the 'airforce' if the referee had stopped dirty plays earlier? definitely not! did it protect other players from going home with injuries? yes!

    so no, violence is not the only correct thing to do. but it is a way to achieve certain goals. sometimes fire has to be fought with fire.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Hockey is weird, its sort of expected that the players use violence to keep each others behavior in check.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    the concept may be more established for ice hockey. but it is present in all sports or possibly in life: we hope there is a referee to punish bad behaviour. but if there isn't, we have to take things into our own hands.

    i am not necessarily talking about violence here. if at your job someone constantly tries to sabotage you, violence may not be the best approach. but some dirty play on your side, might just discourage the behaviour enough. obviously that should only be considered, if theere is no sort of referee to stop the behaviour traditionally.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Lmao, "violence is not the answer". It is. When other people like that fucking asshole kiddo were, then it's the only acceptable thing to do. "Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto yourself".

    They need to understand that their shit has consequences, or else bigotry will never end.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    Id disagree with you if we were talking about an adult but as we are talking about a kid I would say you are outting yourself as some sort of predator or abuser with that mentality. There can be consequences that are non-violent, violence just propagates more violence. Interesting that you took a popular phrase, changed it so that it has a different meaning, then tried to use it as evidence for your case. Get support, you don't have to be so violent.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Doubt. There's no way the refs would tolerate that language from kids.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Using your children for your made up feel good story is weird

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  • [+] -10 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    I would not celebrate physical violence in response to words. If it were two adults, there would be charges of assault.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Oh no a assault charge. If it was my son I'd be fucking proud.

    These misogynist manosphere boys need to fkn learn . And more dads need to step the messaging to them to respect women

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    tell the child to apologize to the family member or relative he stole from.

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