Everyone has known a woman like this 🥺 can't criticize what she's been through but she's out there perpetuating harm and you can't make her see that
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yup. meet my aunt. many years of pick me isms and trying to shame me for speaking out for the metoo movement.
she was kidnapped as a young woman in a foreign country. she says she survived the ordeal and was never afraid during the whole episode but since i have known her she was absolutely cruel , shaming any victim of rape, hoisting her opinions up on being a survivor looking down on everyone else
slowly... she found she couldnt stand to be alone anywhere. not even without a big dog.
then it got worse
fast forward decades later now she is in shambles struggling with that past trauma that manifested as severely crippling anxiety as she grows older and cant even be around more than a few people without having a massive emotional breakdown. the last one she ended up hospitalized. now isolated herself on an island, claiming shes just wanting 'alone time' and cant stand people.
doesnt hesitate to middle finger at any women who speak up about rape.
behold: the true 'survivor'.
Thank you for your aunt's story, it made me once again realise my levels of misanthropy aren't healthy and I need yet another 100 hours of therapy.
I mean, you're not wrong to have a certain view of men. It's just that living in those feelings all the time is harmful.
Sadly, things like this happen to victims of all kinds of abuse. When I was a kid, my father would sometimes tell me about things that his father did to him. Eventually I recognized that he had suffered horrible physical and verbal abuse. His father, in turn, had lived a life filled with trauma. Instead of dealing with it, he unloaded all his trauma onto his kids who then unloaded their inherited trauma onto their kids, including me.
When I began to recognize this dynamic, It was like I could see the little boy, within my dad, who just wanted to be loved but instead was systematically destroyed; through no fault of his own. His capacity for joy and love were greatly compressed, and the void filled with fear and anger. I saw that I was just like him and I was horrified at that discovery.
Sometimes people try to run away from the pain and fear. I think that's why they try to pretend they're above it. Because it feels easier to malign people who share your experience, in order to try and pretend it wasn't real, than it is to face the pain and fear.
But until you face it, you will never escape it. It will always be there wreaking havoc on your life and lives of those around you.
this comment made me think a good bit
i'm so happy i'm breaking untold generational cycles of familial trauma and abuse by not having kids and ending my bloodline with myself
for everyone reading out there, there's never anything wrong with cutting off shitty family if they deserve it. don't let anyone guilt you into believing otherwise
"i went through it and turned out fine. If you went through it and became traumatized, it means you were weak. And I'm not weak, so I wasn't traumatized"
Tale as old as time.
I think a lot of mental illnesses are inherited this way. I would love to see some reseach on this. Most research that I could find focuses on mental illnesses being inherited through the genome.
I watched one of those kidnapping storys on youtube and I thought until 40 minutes in that the situation must have beed retty bad for her until the last 5 minutes which gave lasting anxiety. That shit isn't just bad, its horrifying
Good comic with good message, but why do we censor the word rape like we're trying to avert our eyes from the truth?
The artist spoke about this on Reddit. Social media outlets automatically remove content with rape and ban the artists. She said she just can’t be bothered with the hassle so even though she dislikes doing it, she started self-censoring to comply.
As someone who has been browsing the web since the very beginning, young peoples' obsession with only using the same five websites and nothing else is so fucking bizarre to me. Don't like a particular platform's censorship? Use a different fucking platform! We've never had more options!
you can say things like Die, or killed, which is ridiculous.
I thought because of the same reason the world "unalived" became a thing
I remember (from ages aggo) a list of things fb censored and which are ok.
In short anything slightly too sexual was off limits (that's probably not the case anymore by now).
And anything violent, horrific, grotesque,... was just fine and dandy.
Just to illustrate what a fucked up version of reality they try to cultivate there.
"I don't mind, I just do as I'm told, that's how you know the content is fresh af"
If it's really that way, then it really sucks. Tho I cannot blame the artist, they gotta get this thing across somehow. I just wished the artist would at least create an alternate uncensored version or something..
i mean i don't like it either but I'm glad the artist is able to spread their work so I can see it, if they insisted on taking a stand and stubbornly kept making art that was immediately censored I don't think this post would exist and that's worse than the current situation
I mean, yeah. When you’re on a platform you have to abide by that platform’s rules if you want to be able to keep posting on that platform.
That's what you choose to take away?
Because everything has to be PG or people throw a fucking snowflake temper tantrum. Even though everyone knows the words they're obviously saying. It's like bleeping out cuas words on the radio. It's not like anyone over 4 doesn't know what they're saying.
As a side note I was an elementary teacher for a decade, your kids are sailors at school, even if you think they're angels.
Idk where you got the idea that it is the people who want this bullshit. Literally everywhere you see this kind of censorship, people are complaining that it's there.
It's fucking corporate run spaces and their AI moderation that will stifle the reach of posts or just straight up remove them if they don't follow the arbitrary censorship rules that is forcing content creators to self censor themselves in order to have their posts be visible on the major social media platforms.
Now she's getting death threats because she dared speak up
I was horrified to see that she was swatted the other day. They literally tried to kill her by police.
It's fucked up that a common way of trying to get someone killed is to send law enforcement to their house. How badly has our society messed up to make that our reality?
This is only a common way in countries with low police standards. In Germany you could probably also provoke the police sending the SEK to someone's home, but they're way better trained how to not use their weapon. Not to mention the one who called will get fucked sideways for such a thing.
Not to say our cops are all great (fuck no), just that the US doesn't properly educate theirs about deescalation and non-lethal tactics.
The sheer amount of violence that women and children are expected to absorb as normal in order to maintain the illusion of a civilized society is honestly staggering to look at.
Now here's the fun thing. The undue pressure it puts on men is toxic as fuck too. This doesn't benefit anyone!
Yeah, and this is NOT a "blame the victim thing" but women and children get to have pressure to just accept "their place" as the "lesser" but there are probably a fair number of dudes who get a similar pressure to "accept their place" as the better.
For the benefit of a lot of asshole dudes being able to feel good about being assholes.
It's part of why that block of assholes is really pushing back lately against progressive ideals. Because it's a threat to the idea that "if you are a dude, you can just do it, it's your place." Especially as more and more men pull back and realize "I don't have to be an asshole, I can respect others."
It makes the assholes way way more obvious.
Men benefit from it. They benefit both from raping people with impunity and from being one of the good ones who doesn't.
For anyone curious, they're apparently finally reopening the Cornel 7 rape case for the dudes who had to write an essay for gangraping a woman for what amounts to a working shift....
The law favors rapists. I realized a long time ago, just by women that I have known, that the statistics on rape are accurate and also low. I also realized that most men don’t understand that because they are not men who a woman would open up to about that. As for men who are worried about catching false charges, I would say that statistically you are more likely to get raped by another man than catch a fake charge. And because everything favors the rapist, he will probably get away with it.
As a man, I can confirm this. It took me being raped (and a few years of bottling it up to even consciously come to the realisation that I was indeed raped) to do away with nearly two decades of indirect conditioning by "lad culture" and mass media et al to see why it goes unreported most of the time.
(mind you I was raped by a woman, AND the same woman falsely accused me of rape, harassment, and a number of other awful things)
You are not alone in this brother. I was laughed out of my local police department when I attempted to file a report. I went back later when a woman officer was present and she took me seriously. Of course the court system was another story.
Thank you for sharing your story, I'm heartsick that you had to endure it. I can't imagine the extra amount of scrutiny in this case for you.
There are so many of us, Velma. I feel like the number of unreported rapes of men is far higher than that of women. You, as a woman, have a much higher chance of being believed than I do as a man. Which is a fucked up statistic to quote. "Being believed". But it remains true.
Edit: meaning theres probably way more rapes of women but proportionally, the report rate is probably way lower for men. Because we feel like no one will believe us.
Part of dismantling our rape culture is elevating men’s voices and stories as well. I want my son to know he’ll be supported and believed if anything happens to him. I want victims to have the support they need regardless of gender, age, and status.
It’s so fucked up the amount of prison rape jokes aimed at men, jokes about young boys getting lucky to have a woman teacher rape them, all of it. It harms boys and men as well as girls and women and everyone in between when we treat victims as if they asked to be raped or didn’t do enough to prevent it.
I’m in your corner. You have my unwavering support 💕
Yup, my watershed moment was when I found out my rapist had died. He was an older man who I had always brushed off as a bad teenage experiment. I didn’t even realize how much fear and anger I had for him, until I heard through the grapevine that he had died. Suddenly, I was staring at my Facebook feed, seeing some mutuals posting about his death, and had tears welling up in my eyes. Not tears of sadness, but of shame and anger.
It was simultaneously emancipating and also enraging. I suddenly knew he wouldn’t be able to hurt anyone else, and he wouldn’t be able to hurt me again… Until then, I hadn’t even realized I was worried about that. I had been carrying an immense amount of shame as a result of the “he has probably done this to others, and will probably do it again in the future” train of thought. Everyone says victims should report so their rapists can’t hurt others, right? And since he was an openly gay older guy, I statistically would have had a higher chance of being believed, right? But reporting would require telling others about what had happened, and I couldn’t even imagine doing that.
But I also knew that since he was dead, he would never see justice for what he did to me (and likely others before and after). He was very wealthy, very well-connected in my local area, and he died comfortably in his own bed. None of which he deserved. Knowing he would be feted his wake was absolutely enraging, because he only deserved a cardboard box underneath the local prison.
It was also what eventually led to me realizing why I had historically been so homophobic. I was born and raised in a conservative area, so homophobia is just par for the course here. But I eventually realized that I had been projecting my fear and anger of him whenever I saw a gay couple in public. And that what he did to me wasn’t their fault. I had also been externalizing a lot of my own shame. Nowadays I’m a staunch ally, but it would have been extremely easy for me to simply dig my heels in and refuse to do any soul-searching. I was definitely the older lady in this comic for longer than I would like to admit. And I have an immense amount of respect for the victims who do come forward, because I know what kind of determination that would take.
My Step father started grooming my sister when she was ten. Her chore thay day was to clean the kitchen. He told her to use a bucket and rag, not the mop, so he could "watch her ass" while she cleaned. His ten year old, biological, daughter.
He told her if she ever told anyone, it would break up the whole family, and everyone would think she was a whore.
My sister lived a double life from that early age of ten, until she was 15. He would tell her, "you have to [Do this sexual thing] or Im not buying groceries for the family and it will be your fault. He did this for christmas presents, after school activities, any time he could withold finacially from "the family" he would make her do stuff.
No one knew.
meanwhile, he was serverely beating the shit outta all of us if any of us got out of line. My brother and I werent allowed to hang out with friends, ever. We went to school, and we went home. If we werent working on the farm, we were trapped on our rooms. In the last few years, I wouldnt even be allowed out of my room for weeks at a time, not even to use the bathroom. He'd take the house phone with him whenever he left, so we could never call anyone. My brother stood up to him once, and he chocked out my 12 year old brother against a wall, his feet dangled. I saw it happen.
We found out after, he was often choking out my sister in her sleep, and shed wake to him trying to kill her. Shed wake, and hed stop, and just mutter, "Sorry" and walk away. When my dear sister found out I was cutting.. she did the right thing, and told the adult. He came to me and said, "next time you feel like doing this, make sure you do it the right way".
I had asked my sister a few times, if "anything was going on". She always said no. Until one fall day, she broke the fuck down and told me everything. We cried together for hours. I was 16, she 15. I told the school the next day. Thankfully he admitted everything. When the state came in, im sure they found mt poop bucket. They saw his room was a bed, in a pile of beer cans. They saw the falling down house. We were never allowed back there to get our things. "The family" let my dog run away and didnt tell me for a month. We did lose everything, our pets and possesions alike.
In court he said he thought she was his wife, and also mentioned he had been raped as a youth by an uncle.
When sentencing came, the max was 25 years. They asked us kids for our imput. His sister, my aunt, took us in after he was arrested. She was the one to relay our answer. We all said the maximum. She told the contact, we all said the minimum. He was sentenced for ten years. He served 8. For a very long time, over a decade after, I regretting not, well killing him that morning before school. This aunt also made fun of me for telling on my step father. The woman despised me for "what I did".
This man absolutely ruined three lives. He didnt murder us no, but he murdered our hearts, our courage, our self worth. None of us are right. My brother and sister are still very fucked up people and its been about 25 years since thay day.
8 years, let out for "good behavior". Owns a house again now, none of his kids own anything. We all have CPTSD. I will be im therapy for the rest of my life probably. My siblings and I dont talk anymore. the other two refuse therapy, and their maladaptive coping is.. apparent. My sister cant even live in this state. She fears so much, she will run into him. My brother, still talks to that side of the family, and has stalked women he was interested in, like, actully stalked. Its so messed up.
This man took my sister from me, and only got 8 years. Least he got that- I know too many who got off scott free. I have multiple non reported rapes myself. Mostly from the same person. My grandfather raped all his three daughters, died without it ever coming to light.
I would avoid saying that the law favours rapists in general (though it might where you live) because it makes it sound as if it's a problem that can be fixed if we bring in the right legislation. The problem as I see it is that the people who administer the law favour rapists, and that's a much more intractable problem.
Fair, although “the law” usually encompasses the written law, the cops, prosecutors, judges, etc. Fixing the problem will involve adjusting laws, fixing the cop problem, and adjusting the public zeitgeist. Legislation will help. Making an assumption for protection of the victim will go a long ways and doesn’t take away from innocent until proven guilty.
The law favours doing nothing, by intent, by design, and by necessity. It is better to let the guilty go free than to imprison the innocent. But there is also systemic bias that warps this important principle into something that hobbles any hope of justice.
I think that we are wrong to look to the state and the law. They occupy a place in our psychology as the arbiter of order that they do not deserve and which serves to control us. When we are raped, the solution to our personal problems isn't to make sure someone else gets punished. Our needs are for repair, safety, and healing, not some asshole's rehabilitation, which is not our fucking responsibility. The courts and prisons cannot give us what we need in that situation. There is a need for something that doesn't exist, that doesn't yet even have a name.
You seem to forget that small little detail of "innocent until proven guilty" which is thisbtiny corner stone of our society and probably the reason why you too are a free person
THAT detail is ehy rape is so hard to convict people on because ypy need yo prove that a sexual interaction was not consensual and thus rape
In few cases that is obvious and easy to prove, in most its impossible to prove, and thus the perpetrator goes free.
Now I get it, it sucks that the bad guy gets away with it, but the other option is that we start jailing innocent people. The entire idea of the justice system is not to put the guilty in jail but to keep the innocent out of jail. I am not about to give up on that.
Could be phrased better. I don't know why you're "correcting" them. It's a lot of assumptions when you could assume they agree with you on this. It doesn't really conflict.
We believe in innocent until proven guilty. That favors rapists.
The "innocent until proven guilty" threshold favours rapists in rape scenarios that look like consensual sex. It works pretty well for violent rapes, any rape that includes drugs, coerced inebriation, or assault on an unconscious person, any rape with corroborating witnesses at any key step, and any rape where there is a clear proof of refusal.
The problem is that this is only a fraction of rapes because many rapists avoid physical violence preferring "the implication" of violence instead. They also prey on victims who have low self esteem or a weak sense of what's okay because they grew up in rape culture. These scenarios are very hard to meet the threshold of "beyond a reasonable doubt" because other than the victim testimony, which is often unclear and confused, there isn't other proof. And if you start with a victim with low experience and low self esteem and you isolate them get them drunk and rape them the victims testimony is guaranteed to be unclear and confused. That's why this scenario is so common in the first place.
But the most important aspect by far, and one we can actually point to easily with proof, is that the police, prosecutors, and judges are often extremely pro-rape culture delegitimizing victims and coddling rapists. The number of cases that ended with a slap on the wrists because "we don't want to ruin this promising young man's life over 5 minutes of [inserts your favorite delegitimizing euphemism here]" is just staggering". This is why the system favours rapists in a way changing laws or standards won't solve.
If we don't want to live in a country of old rapists and pedophiles, we're going to have to become more comfortable running the lives of young rapists and pedophiles.
Thank you for the added context :)
not sure what context this is supposed to add
I hadn't heard of it myself, so I thought it prudent after reading the Wikipedia.
This reminds me of a story my daughter told me. My daughter and one of her guy friends were sitting around talking about their experiences. They got into the typical one upping each other and he dropped the first time he had sex was with his babysitter when he was 12.
My daughter immediately apologized for what had happened to him (babysitter was 17). He was confused at first because no one had ever reacted that way. Most people cheered or egged him on when he told them. After he thought about it he thanked her. I was very proud of her when she told me this.
…I’m a guy, and I remember defaulting to “bragging” about having a 19 year old girlfriend when I was 14. That seemed socially appropriate because of the praise I got. My partner at the time apologized like that too and I , also, was confused.
When I remembered what happened the first time it was pretty bad.
I was spending the night at my friends house while both our parents went out and she was the “adult” in case anything would happen while they were gone. She kept walking by the door in less and less clothing.
Then I remember her bringing us some snacks and drinks in her underwear for our video game marathon which caught my attention. We intended to stay up all night so I was confused when my friend fell asleep kinda suddenly.
I wasn’t tired so I kept playing. She comes out into the living room in only a towel, and just came over and took it from me, like. No words exchanged or anything just kissed me on the forehead when she was done with me. My friend is still snoring.
Suddenly I wanted to spend the night every weekend. Same scenario though, my friend would zonk out after snacks and she would come in and use me up. Of course it took me decades to realize she was drugging her brother so she could do that to me. I thought she loved me so I started treating her like a girlfriend. My parents picked up on it and did nothing. Said nothing. Took me to go hang out with her alone often.
Even now it’s really disgusting to think about. She is no longer alive so I can’t really do anything or tell her it was fucked up.
I have a hard time connecting to people. I think that’s why.
I'm sorry that happened to you, that was fucked up.
😢 that is so upsetting the adults reinforced it and approved it and encouraged it, how confusing it must have been, you were just a kid, yeah you kinda liked it but when we look back on things in retrospect through our adult eyes we see clearly, and your adults should have known better through their own adult understanding and they should have protected you. Because children & adults are simply incompatible as sexual partners and almost always causes lifelong psychological & social trauma for the victim 😢
What made you start to realise it was fucked up? Is it when you realised you'd been used rather than loved? And how might it affect how you're able to connect with people now?
Just trying to understand how we go from celebrating a situation to feeling scared by it.
I saw her at the store one day a few years ago. We exchanged pleasantries and all that you’d do seeing an Ex, which is how I saw her in the moment. Something bothered me for a while after that. I couldn’t believe how short she was! Like she was less than 5 feet but I didn’t think I was a full foot and a half taller than her.
That’s because I wasn’t much taller than her then. I hadn’t finished growing. And then I remembered how it all went down. Realizing it could have had meaning to it, with someone I at least knew and maybe cared about. The fact that even my parents were just fine with it started to make me sick.
Started thinking about relationships in my adult life and how none of them have been satisfying. I’ve never been close enough to anyone to really have that kind of bond with. Being used and praised for it is a mindfuck.
This sounds exactly like the book The Reader, a fictional story but eerily similar to this comment :(
kinda like the ISAIP episode, where Dee said dennis was 'raped" when he said he bedded an older lady at 14, then the realization sunk in for him after being confused for a second.

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