But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

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[–] 322 points 1 month ago*

predatory policy

gambling site

same thing.

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  • [–] 253 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

    be this site

    advertise to kids using discord servers

    if they win from gambling, ban them bc they're underage

    if they lose, it's their loss anyway

    double your profits with a simple trick

    btw this is not just a meme. This is something they literally do, see this vid for more details: https://youtu.be/yJZ9SwRArqs

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  • [–] 124 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    My nephew fell for this trick. He's not a child, but he was gambling online on a European site as an American. He won big, tried to withdraw, they asked for a European passport. RIP his entire account.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    For any finincial anything always do a round trip with a $10 too see if it's possible.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I've heard of scammers paying out small amounts deliberately to reel in more money so this still doesn't guarantee it's real.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Even legitimate gambling websites do this, I was able to cash out £150 fine but a few weeks later when I tried to cash out at £700 I had to supply id. I was still able to deposit more money from the same card though, supplied my id, cashed it all out, told them to delete all of my details and account and never looked back

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    He was putting in thousands, about $5,000 USD. They were letting him withdraw a few hundred here and there. Then he won something like $10k that's when they did a Know Your Customer check. Which he failed, obviously. They kept his principal and his winnings, lol.

    Hopefully he took it as a lesson. Not much else he can do. They said on their terms of service Americans were explicitly forbidden. Not much recourse.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That's not a trick, that's a legal requirement. They have to do KYC on a few grand and AML once it gets bigger. I had to go through this with Wise when I received a life insurance payout from another continent and I had to phone customer support to get it cleared.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I'm not saying it was illegal or anything, just that they probably make a lot of money turning on the KYC after big wins. They'll never do one to a losing customer.

    In that sense, I do believe it's a bit tricky.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Hmm...

    I'd wager KYC applies either way (anyone placing a bet should be known, not just who ends up winning) and not paying out wins is a clear breach of contract.

    So very clearly doubly illegal. First they let any rando gamble, and then they don't pay out wins.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Yup, this has been going on since the very early days of online casinos. A buddy of mine get screwed out of a few thousand playing one of those Caribbean poker sites because the Caribbean "bank" which handles the deposits didn't participate in the US banking system, and he'd checked a box which certified that he was a citizen of St Lucia or something. Whoops.

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  • [–] 120 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

    It's a gambling site.

    Gambling is inherently predatory. It's addictive. Gambling sites prey on this addiction. They're not gonna let you go so easily. The wait period is to see if you're really one of their best customers, unable to go cold-turkey.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    But it's so obviously flagrantly predatory... I really thought this would be too far, like legally.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I remember a time when Gambling was poison to professional sports. I'm not talking about office fantasy teams, or small bets between friends. I'm talking capital G Gambling. Professional Gambling run by businesses and gaming commissions. Professional sports tried very hard to distance themselves from gambling, so much so that Vegas didn't have professional sports teams. Now there's a ribbon on the screen showing Gambling stats the whole game. It's ridiculous.

    Now I know we can't put the genie back into the bottle. Gambling apps are here and they're not going anywhere. We can stop the ubiquitous ads. We've done this before with cigarettes. It wouldn't be hard. Take down the ads, stop showing betting lines during the game, remove any mention of it. Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game. Which lets face it, professional sports are about being a profitable business first and a sports team second. We've just completely forgotten about the game to make another quick buck.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game.

    i thought that already happened in the NBA and NFL. MLB, maybe. Pete Rose and Michael Jordan come to mind.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, not to be pithy but the first step is admitting there's a problem. That's where we're at now (or trying to get to).

    It's so weird to me that sports/gambling have become so conflated. Clearly a lot of money has been thrown at the businesses running professional sports to land us here.

    Cigarettes is a perfect analogy. It's not even an extreme comparison, both are undeniably a net harm to people, but are somehow normalized.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    It really is. Tons of people still smoke. Some people chain smoke so much that it'll kill them before they're 50. We try to convince them stop smoking but if they want to smoke 5 packs a day we won't stop them. We don't advertise cigarettes. I mean they're cigarettes, they advertise themselves. So does gambling. The apps aren't advertising gambling, they're advertising their app against the other gambling apps. Gambling sells itself just fine.

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  • [–] 111 points 1 month ago

    A gambling service has a predatory policy to make breaking an addiction as hard as possible. Yep that sounds about right

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  • [–] 91 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    I started dipping into watching regular cable again since we have it at the moment bundled with our internet, and man the commercials are bleak now. It’s all weight loss medication, depression medication, and gambling apps.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The programming is pretty fucking bleak, too. My elderly parents have cable TV and I try to watch it sometimes to entertain myself while I'm taking care of them, and I can't find a fucking thing worth watching despite them having 500 channels or so. I always end up watching Beat Bobby Flay on the Food Channel and I can't stand that fucking show.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Hahahaha yeah I’m there with you on the Beat Bobby Flay. I end up watching that or like Storage Wars, occasionally I’ll catch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. But mostly it’s a lot of shit I wouldn’t have wanted to watch back when cable was the standard.

    And my viewing habits have just changed so much that even if something is on that I would watch, I already have access to it elsewhere so I’d rather not watch it on cable.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Jeopardy just depresses me now. I used to think I could have at least competed on the show, but for the last 20 years or so I've been completely disconnected from pop culture and I could never hope to answer that type of question. I also miss Trebek, god damn it. Ken Jennings is alright but it's not just the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    To be honest I'm about as connected to Jeopardy trivia as I've ever been, which is to say it mostly still flies over my head and there's the occasional questions that I know and the rare times when there's one that I know that the contestants do not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Weight loss meds are a miracle

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Sorry, I can't read your comment because ozempic blinded me

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    Have you tried Ozempic? Have you? Huh? You fat piece of shit!? Ozempic! Try it! Here's a coupon for 50% off Ozempic. Have you tried it yet?

    Also, hurt in a crash? Call us! We'll get you MILLIONS because you swerved to avoid that child in the street and hit a traffic light! We'll sue that child's family FOR YOU!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (11 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    Because by the nature of how human fats work - there is hardly a safe way to get rid of them without working out. This is why every weight loss drug has had serious side effects.

    GLP-1 is like the first one that's supposedly safe for general public (hence the miracle), but we are already seeing lawsuits and what not from bad side effects, so might not be too big of a miracle after all.

    This is without even getting into the cardiovascular system and how this enables lazy lifestyle (instead of working out) that inevitably leads to early death for many

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Nothing is free, the difference between medicine and poison is dose.

    I would bet my life that there are unknown unfortunate side effects that a lot of people won't like; time will reveal. There's a race to sell all that they can now before those side effects are widely known

    I was interested in GLP-1 at one point, but after seeing the possible side effect of "hair loss", I decided my hair was preferable to 20 lb. weight loss.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    GLP drugs just reduce appatite, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    I honestly don't even know how they work as they really aren't common in Europe. That being said, US is positioned in quite a terrible place when it comes to nutritionism, so on average for every pound American eats, they get like 70% percent of the nutrients and vitamins as opposed to someone from UK for example. This means that if Americans start eating less simply because of GLP, malnutrition is going to spike. For many the daily food is so bad that for you to not be deficient, you will be obese.

    Looking online, the stats look worse than I remembered, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The US is also the home of "we have all this corn we have to figure out how to make money off of" and so did A/B testing to find the snacks which are the hardest to stop eating. It's scientifically designed to cause obesity.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    And artificial flavouring doesn't help either, since our brains map flavours to nutrients. Cravings for specific foods can be related to how much your body needs nutrients it associates with that food. But artificial flavours don't come with any nutrients, they are just chemicals that mimic how the actual food interacts with our taste buds. So it can crave foods that do nothing to help with the nutritional needs, you'll feel good for a bit because of how the body handles hunger (it subsides when we eat, not when we digest it and get access to the nutrients and calories, otherwise we'd always overeat), but then when the nutrient levels don't change, it craves it again.

    That's how there's so many people that are simultaneously obese and malnourished. The food has the calories and the body stores them for later use, but it doesn't have the nutrition while foods have.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The average U.K. adult is not the threshold for preventing malnutrition.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ok, sorry, I wasn't specific enough. Not all food is created equal. Americans are fat because of sugar consumption and lack of exercise. Not because of a lack of access to or consumption of nutritious food.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10969708/

    causes behind the decline in the nutritional quality of foods have been identified worldwide as chaotic mineral nutrient application, the preference for less nutritious cultivars/crops, the use of high-yielding varieties, and agronomic issues associated with a shift from natural farming to chemical farming. Likewise, the rise in atmospheric or synthetically elevated carbon dioxide could contribute to the extensive reductions in the nutritional quality of fruits, vegetables, and food crops.

    US farming tends to be even more "modern"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Nothing is free, the difference between medicine and poison is dose.

    This.

    Fentanyl will fucking kill you with micro-grams of a dose spliced into that line you're about to snort.

    It'll also help your brain feel happy after you suffered a traumatic injury and you're laying in a hospital.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Fuck is a cooldown period?

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  • [–] 197 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    To let their addiction drag them back in.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    What country is "you can't close your account unless you go 90 days without using it first" legal in?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This looks like a gambling app. So it's not that you can't close it until it's not used. Voluntary exclusion is a mandatory policy required by legislation so a gambling addict can ask a casino to functionally ban them. This app is extra predatory in that they don't allow a permanent ban right away. Their goal is to make it take multiple requests so an addict can relapse and spend more money and it's the addicts fault.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So the 24 hour and 90 day periods are different? Maybe it's because of the LLM but they're presented as the same thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ya, they're sequential. So if you have a devastating loss you can't just immediately delete your account, you need to cool down for 24hr before they'll even let you request a full 90 day self exclusion. And finally only after that can you actually delete your account.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The USA. Facebook also does this.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    One tactic on social media is to delete as much as you can, change all your profile data so it's bogus, and retroactively revise as much of your comment history so that it's meaningless, such as NSA haikus.

    That way the account may not be closed, but it's toxic. It will poison algorithm analyis, your consumer profile and AI scraping.

    The Escapist refused to let me close my account in the early 2010s. So I did this.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    fucking hell they are really playing on people's gambling addiction aren't they

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago

    This is super clever. I cannot believe this never occurred to me, and I discovered it in a Lemmy 'shitpost' no less.

    Let's keep up the memes and shitposts in this category!

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This predatory nature is going into my thesis on how gacha gaming led to the downfall of online porn

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    its called "laxed regulation for dubious reasons". happens all the time because government officials should probably wear F1 gear with all their sponsor logos slapped on them.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago

    It's the wild West meets end stage capitalism out there.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This feels more like a LifeProTip than a shitpost

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    you acknowledged the x-post potential

    ball is in your court now

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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    As an European, the "you can't close your account too fast, this process is mandatory" thing would be a one way to a trial.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You Europeans and your consumer protection laws... I love getting ripped off and taken advantage of by companies!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It’s almost certainly illegal in the Us too

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Not sure if you're aware of this, but companies break laws in the EU too.

    That policy is likely illegal in the US & it certainly is extremely uncommon. I've never heard of it. This post isn't an EU vs US thing which they were trying to make it.

    That's the meaning.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago

    Canada too, but it's a different level down there. Admittedly I don't have a deep knowledge on these laws and across European nations, but despite all corruption I live through I still see how it can be much worse.

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