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[–] 261 points 1 month ago (33 children)

How are such images not automatically fraud? The whole point of images in a sales listing is to show you what the product is like; they're either real and accurate or fake and deceptive.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    they've always "freshened up" listings by adding furnishings so that part is probably fine. the issues start when the computer moves walls and windows around.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I've seen listings show original and "sample" pictures with AI furniture. This is the way.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    A listing in my area had AI generated image for showing the surrounding area. The AI misunderstood the scale of a field, and added kids the size of 3 story buildings playing soccer. And this was not realized before being posted.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Or just don't include the AI at all. Have some imagination.

    Every apartment I ever rented and the home I bought had regular empty photos and it was just fine

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah. Honestly, I don't really have a problem if a developer is just able to... not spend a bunch of money on a ton of furniture that'll get shuttled between different properties, not accidentally bang up a wall, etc, and just make a good looking listing image that accurately represents the space.

    All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they're looking to recoup staging costs.

    Hell, I'd love it if I could look at a listing, and maybe get like 5 or 6 different options for how the space could look in very different styles, rather than the same, bland, generic palette of furniture and colors just because that's the only truly cost-effective option.

    But of course, we can't have AI do anything good, that'd be ridiculous. It has to move the windows around and make the space look twice as big for no reason!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they’re looking to recoup staging costs.

    This is never, ever going to happen, not even once. No landlord will ever willingly lower the price of anything. They'll just keep charging the same price and pocket the difference. They don't run charities.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they're looking to recoup staging costs.

    The staging costs are a drop in the bucket relative to the extra $ they're bringing in just by better marketing the space. Like one month of upsell from an empty box to a staged apartment likely covers those costs - everything else is pure profit.

    They're pricing things based on what the "market" will support, and that doesn't change whether they spend $200 staging or $2 AI staging. Mom and pop landlords are still wealth parasites trying to maximize profits.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I saw a thing yesterday about how Just Eat are now using AI generated images of the food being offered.

    It's pissed me off for long enough that so many restaurants use stock images, rather than just taking a fucking photo of what they make, but for there to be no human at all in the process is a massive piss take. If they as a restaurant don't care enough about the food they offer to take some photos of it, then I, even as a fat bastard with a tendency towards gluttony, don't care enough to order from them.

    And that's just a takeaway. AI images of somewhere that might cost me £1300 a month can fuck right off.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago*

    There's a salon near me that has recently taped up ai generated pictures of people to show what kind of hairstyle they offer. Like, the whole point of the photo is to prove the quality of the service...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I do kind of get it, big companies have the advantage of paid photographers and inventive "serving suggestions" to make a floppy dry mc-chicken look like a Dionysian feast. My local kabab taking a photo of greasy meat with their phone under the old florescant lamps never looks as good.

    I mean, I obviously salivate at such images, but I’m not sure I'd trust them to bring in the dough were I a small proprietor.

    A fucking apartment though? Fraud, Straight to jail.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    A use case I've seen (not AI actually, but old-school CGI when I was looking a few years ago) is for projects still in construction where you can reserve an apartment and buy when it's ready. The CGI images show the general shape of the place and illustrate what it might look like once furnished, with the very clear notice that the apartment will be turned over unfurnished and the photos are only there to give you an idea

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    CGI furniture is quite common and pretty acceptable as it's just a layer on top of the photo. Whatever software they use is really good about marching scale.

    Personally I'm a fan of it. I lack the ability to look at an empty room and "see" a layout so it's kind of awesome to have a mock-up.....

    ...But I saw a listing the other day that took me a minute....a pool table taking up way too much room in the basement. Then I caught the small text on GAME ROOM sign. A ceiling tile grid that changes sizes. A hallway that turns into a nook between photos.

    That's where I draw the line. The edits don't help me understand the layout or give me design ideas, it's simply false advertising.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The feature I keep seeing in AI images is the way no straight line in the image aligns to the same vanishing point. The edges of the table line up here, the countertops line up here, the fridge here. Its glaring and it would also make it hard to plan a room.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    YES that's what I meant with the ceiling grid. I wasn't expecting AI at all (wasn't a thing last time I was browsing) so it took me a minute to figure out what felt so off about the size of the room. The back half looked way bigger as if the room was trapezoidal

    And also when listings show furniture mockups, I'm used to it being right after the empty room photo. This listing ONLY had the AI photos, no original to reference.

    Also, hello to a fellow CAD monkey.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    AI boosters convinced people that we need "AI centrism", which is exactly thing like this, except they took their lessons from how racist operate, and depicted one extreme as vibe coding/slop posting, while the other as just not wanting to use AI. One AI booster trying to pass as "AI critical" actually used the horseshoe theory in his video, but painting Hasan Piker as the "far left" option to Nick Fuentes. Hasan is not as far left as some people try to make it look like, he's just annoying and people think extremism means being annoying, while tankies like George of Santos (formerly BadEmpanda) know to keep his cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Not defending it, but they usually use AI to stage fake furnishings without actually renting furniture.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Some images simply overly fake furniture over real locations, and I imagine this is simply an AI extension of what they did with Photoshop. Both should be considered fraud, imo, but photos with furniture likely to sell/rent better than real empty photos.

    I miss when we just had staged photos, though I feel like that died during COVID when open houses stopped being a sort of mandatory part of the process.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My sister just did like 3 months of house searching and it was not possible for her to find one without AI photos. Most had full on "reimagine" features.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Worst part is that the scaling is all wrong. AI is usually going for relatively minimalist interior design with a lot of space. In a cramped bathroom that doesn't work. It clashes with the entire design philosophy because there's simply no space. What does AI do? It scales down the toilet, sink and shower to create space. If you pay attention to it or maybe have a regular picture in-between the AI ones you see that it'd have to be a tiny toilet and sink but since everything is scaled down it's not always immediately noticeable.

    The point being that even if you redo the room with the finest materials and finest craftsman it can never look like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Yeah, look out the window and see vibrant blue and green? Check it out in person: industrial wasteland or dystopian greyscape.

    It's also so fucking annoying when I'm trying to get a feel for the room's dimensions and space, and I have to try to imagine it through a fucking enormous number of AI-generated plants cluttering the entire fucking thing. Like, no interior designer or professional home stager would fill the space half as much, so why the fuck are they using AI to make it look like that?

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The fact that people are so astonished that a politician is actually serving the people that elected him is a pretty damning criticism of your political establishment.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    People should also be less surprised that the handsome, well spoken, popular, Mamdani was able to flatter an egocentric, maniac, surrounded by sycophants, like Trump into being his biggest supporter. Forget playing him like fiddle, Trump is the dollar store recorder they forced on us elementary school.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't think it was even intended, he was just applying standard diplomacy. Mamdani clearly has natural charisma. Trump's even more of a sucker for that than most.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Man what the fuck are our local politicians doing. Every time I hear his name he's doing something that's actually is helping and getting shit done.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Well, most local politicians are 1) mediocre and 2) not the mayor of one of the largest cities in the world.

    The city has more people than 38 states. It's hard to get more visibility than that.
    Like, my local mayor ordered the police to forbid certain types of restraints, ban no-knock warrants, and raising the threshold for traffic stops. Also moderately updated the ordinances around recreational marijuana businesses . He's also directed city funds towards fighting homelessness by providing substance abuse counseling and housing them in vacant appointments we already have, and building auxiliary housing.

    Pretty good. But there's only around 100k people. It's just not as much impact or visibility.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    This is not helping. It's actually allowing AI to be used, unfortunately. "we promise to disclose it" good luck

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    And if they try to not disclose and get caught, they get fined.

    The idea isn't perfection, because scams always exist. It's to make it super risky to attempt to scam and discourage the largest platforms from doing it.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago*

    Here we are giving a politician standing ovations for doing his job and working in the interests of the people who voted for him. What a world we live in where politicians stand out for doing what should be considered a standard, honest day’s work.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    He keeps smashing that "make everything better" button.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    faked photos are deliberate fraud

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago

    Dude is the Wikipedia image on the article for "Standing on your business"

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And i thought "image for illustration purpose only" from 10 years ago is bad. Nowadays people just don't bother with taking picture of the thing they selling.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I mean, it's so hard. You have to find a camera, who's got a camera? Then you have to take the film in for developing, then you have to scan the picture into your computer.

    Of only they made a compact device that included a camera, that you could keep in your pocket.

    😢 2
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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Democrats hate this one trick.

    Spoiler: It's called serving the people.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's called doing anything. Like, these things he's doing are great, but it really shouldn't be headlines. These things should just be normal politician things. They're great because every other fucking politician doesn't give half a shit about their people, but they shouldn't be. They should be boring things, that are done, and you don't even know it has happened.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You can't give the blanket "Democrats" credit for this. The degree to which the Democratic establishment fought to keep guys like him out if power can't be understated. However the progressive parts of the democratic party are growing in strength and number by the day. I hope some day the party stands up for half of what he does. This is the only guy who makes me hopeful for the future

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    That comment doesn't read as giving Democrats credit, though.

    It's obviously mirroring the "doctors hate this one simple trick" ad line, but did you think the original was supporting doctors?

    The line is saying that Democrats/"doctors" know about the little trick and were keeping it from you. That's not a flattering representation.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Gavin Newsom seems alright too, though I haven't heard as much about him

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I would do some personal digging on Gavin Newsom. He seems to be very much a classic politician, i.e. he'll say whatever he thinks his base wants to hear. But he is notably very flaky on trans allyship in legislature.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    They'll immediately break down when he ends up legislating trans athletes to participate in sporting events, and the first highly successful trans Olympic champion will credit him for siding with their community after receiving the gold medal for 500 yard dash.

    Go Zohran, we have faith in you.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Should be banned outright as false advertising

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    They would argue is a 1st amendment violation

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Would it stand up in court, though?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    6/3 Supreme Court ruling that AI pictures are free speech.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Advertising is still advertising and they're misrepresenting the product

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    "Would you like to see your future living room with beige painted walls? Before I hit send on this prompt I just gotta ask. Do you want to see what it would look like with beige painted walls and Steve Buscemi taking a dump on a glass coffee table? I know a guy who sells glass coffee tables about three blocks from there. Free delivery on orders over forty dollars. Mention my name and he'll throw in two years worth of glass cleaning supplies."

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Landlords larping as peasants and spreading misinformation about how genAI image using listings are actually super renter/buyer friendly and how Mamdani is just trying to buy all the property to make the worlds biggest mosque in order to recruit teens to join ISIS in 3… 2… 1…

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    I don't even live in New York City and I'd fall on a grenade for this guy. Just one W after another.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm happy for the guy and NYC for his accomplishments thus far, kinda worried about him too.

    He's making asshats out of all the other mayors offices though. When you have no baggage and don't have dues to pay. You can get shit done and it makes people look bad and makes people jealous.

    I feel like it's best for NYC that he start talking behind ballistic glass. Just sayin'...I'm just sayin'!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The Midterm election is going to change a lot of mayors and a few governors. We'll see who is embracing the Mamdani Effect at that point. After seeing how successful and popular Madani has been, I think there will be a few.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm getting sick and tired of Mamdani constantly winning

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I can't remember if it was before 2016 but it is something Trump said, he said "you are going to get sick of winning".

    But this is actually what winning looks like. Approval ratings go up!!!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    You know we are in deep shit when the logical, common sense thing is the "cool thing"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    There's not already a law? They don't accept paintings or cartoons or artist's renderings in listings, do they?

    NO AI images, "disclosure" is actually an absurd measure.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'd go one step further and require the same for photos that have been edited in any way, shape, or form.

    I also would even simply prohibit pictures that have been modified.

    If it ain't the real thing, it shouldn't be used to sell or rent me the thing

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    He’s not even shooting for the stars, and he doesn’t and shouldn’t need to, meeting very base level societal needs is just hitting it out if the park these days.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This guy's mayor of a single city and he's making every politician worldwide look like shit with minimal effort.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How DARE this Socialist try to help ME! I can't WAIT to VOTE HIM OUT in Favor of a Republican!

    -LITERALLY Republican Voters!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    The ai images are so annoying. We bought a house this year and you would look at a listing and see the same house in 4 different colors. No idea what it really looked like until you got to the house and noticed all of the paint needed to be redone haha.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Should be the same for food and goods and everything else. It should be considered false advertising not to.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    We all have the choice to be a good influence on the world. But many choose damaging it instead

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Can we borrow him to be our prime minister please? Our ones sucks 😞😔

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't know what pisses me off more. The fact that Mamdani does so much cool shit, or the fact that he's such a cootie patootie while he does it.

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