Go to any mid sized or larger company and run a port scan and you'll be immediately found and taken to the woodshed or fired.
But I guess doing it unannounced in peoples home is just fine.
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God damn LG is really flaming all the way down to the ground aren't they. Greed will make you do crazy shit.
It’s weird that this is the takeaway from that investigation that big media is pushing.
This is maliciously burying the headline that LG TVS ARE TRANSCRIBING EVERY WORD THEY HEAR IN YOUR HOUSE AND THEY’RE UPLOADING A TEXT LOG OF IT.
Depending on the TOS details, that may very well be a legit crime. Even in 1-party consent states this wouldn't slide because LG isn't a participant in the conversations it's recording, and not everyone talking near a TV has agreed to the TOS.
And even with generous TOS, there's gonna be legal issues. HIPAA, for instance, could really fuck them if the TVs are in a medical facility and are recording and transmitting private medical data without consent of the patients.
It is undeniably a crime. But in Glorious Free Republican America large corporations are exempt from the law.
I think the HIPAA stuff specifically could fuck them HARD. That can be more easily pursued civily. Criminal Courts don't mean much to companies because they have to pay a minor fine and it goes away, because criminal courts don't seek relief or compensation. Civil courts are where corporations can get gigafucked.
Fucking hell we have two of these at home.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/09/07/disconnect-your-lg-television-from-the-internet-now
Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't common behaviour with all Smart TVs these days. It is trivial to probe a LAN network.
It is common behavior for a lot of consumer IoT devices. If it goes on your network and you don't control the software, you should consider it compromised. Even if the manufacturer isn't doing outright malicious stuff, it likely isn't secured very well (they never are) so there's every chance that someone else could find it and use it as a platform for malicious activity.
Only if you give it access
I have a dedicated IOT ssid and vlan (when my Orbi goes, I don't know what I'll replace it with...).
Each wifi node on that ssid is in client isolation mode and I carefully monitor where outbound traffic from that segment is headed.
It's a lot of work, but it makes me feel slightly better about a thermostat, self-hosted security camera setup, and home assistant setup.
That doesn't stop it from holding the scans in memory until a stray open network gives it bandwidth.
Or from the devices making their own ad-hoc network until the world wide web is reached. Not that that's happening in this, specific case, but the former example stands.
Someone at LG needs an ass whooping
My dad's HP laptop started tripping a Honeypot on my network, now I gotta worry about LG as well...
They used to have good TVs :( It’s a good thing I stay away from Smart TVs in general.
I found it to be a struggle to find a non-smart TV that was decent...
Aren't all TVs non-smart if you do not connect it to the internet?
No they will still collect data that they can
But if they don't ever get access to the internet, they can collect all the data they want? Unless they connect to nearby unsecured wifi and use that to connect to their server.
There were unsubstantiated rumours that:
- Samsung was connecting to open wifi
- Amazon’s wifi sharing was for this
- 5G was for this and these companies would add SIMs to the TVs.
None of those have been observed or proven though.
In the cases of the LG tvs, they will connect themselves to any open wifi in range, including the Xfinity/AT&T public wifi spots that are often enabled on people's rented routers.
So if your neighbor, or the Starbuck's on the corner has open wifi then that's enough for your TV to send all your data to the mothership.
Exactly, I’m very disappointed. I bought and LG OLED in 2019, loved it for the image quality and smooth UI. It’s time for an upgrade soon, and I was thinking LG, but will probably have to go diff direction.
I'm holding onto the last of the good plasma tvs from Panasonic, Circa 2012. it's a fantastic picture and no crap. Rs232 serial control for home assistant to turn it on and off.
I'm dreading the day it dies and I have to find the least shitty replacement
But go where though? Every single manufacturer is competing to see who can do the most anti-consumer bullshit and get away with it. They've been slowly boiling the frog for two decades now.
I wonder if I could desolder the WiFi chip
I wonder if the next generation will know if you’re watching the advertisements. They’ll probably call it something innocuous, like “auto pause.”
It’s literally just an algorithm applied to the WiFi antenna.
We’re fucked without comprehensive and effective privacy laws.
But they won’t do that. Someone will (dishonestly) argue that TV’s and monitors that can count how many viewers are watching and force everyone in the room to verify their identity when the ACR detects a curse word or breasts is “for the children.”
Fuck buying an LG Tv lmao
I'm interested in what they are doing with the information more than anything. It's not unusual for a media device to be using SSDP/UPNP and mDNS, looking for media devices to connect to. Ideally, off by default with a way to enable/disable and not used for advertising.
LG owns an advertising company. Just like Google tracks everything you do on the internet via their analytics and search products and then feeds you targeted ads, LG tracks everything you watch, all the electronics in your house, and any conversations you have nearby, then feeds you ads through their TVs.
Just like google is an advertising company first and everything else second it's probably a good idea to think of LG as an advertising company that happens to have a consumer electronics company bolted on. Their TVs are nothing but trojan horses these days, designed to spy on everything they can and get ads in front of your face.
Mostly targeting advertising. The original source is the GamerNexus video. They show in great details the kind of information they capture and give potential usage for it. For instance they can detect thermostats, air conditioning units and air purifier that may be on the network, products that LG also sells. They give another example: if they see you have an iPhone 13, they may send you ads for the new iPhone 17.
If you can detect and identify the other devices on the LAN, you know exactly which other smart devices the customer has, and at scale that's very valuable market research. They could probably even start sending ads to customers for an LG replacement if a device drops off the network.
How long until smart TV manufacturers partner with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to collect your data even when you don’t give them a connection?
Dang I've had a LG TV for years. I must be an idiot.
Don't worry, they all do it. You basically have to buy a dumb display if you want privacy.
It makes me wonder why we've been seeing so much about LG, is Samsung or Sony pushing these stories?
I really need to finish setting up an isolated network. The problem is I at least want to be able to cast to it.
Good thing those ultra wide curved OLED monitors had horrible specs. I was waiting a year for them to release it and almost got one.
Everyday more and more shitty things coming from LG.
OOoookokokok. This post was the last push I needed to setup vlans on my network.
I ran Wireshark to capture traffic from my LG C5 and the only "scanning" it did was SSDP. Did they post any written article with further information on what it's doing? Most if not all of what was detailed in the video can be opted out of;
https://www.pocket-lint.com/i-stopped-my-lg-tv-from-spying-on-me-by-adjusting-these-settings/
https://thecybersecguru.com/news/lg-smart-tv-spying-investigation/
There are roughly 216 million LG smart TVs in homes, hospitals, offices, and hotels worldwide. Each one maps its local network, fingerprints its content, and logs audio, on or off, whether you’re talking to it or to someone else, whether you’re online or not, and feeds that into an ad engine that sells access to your living room.
They do a lot more than just scan the network.
Gamer Nexus, who uncovered this, has a 2 hour episode about it https://youtu.be/Q9uefFYe6bM
Why should we have to opt out of our devices spying on our LAN?
You shouldn't have to opt-out of any of this, but if you own one and want to keep using it, I thought this would be helpful information.
Of course youre right, but we have to opt out of tracking at every level today. Thats the way we collectively allowed the goalpost to be moved.
Now, do they respect the opt out? Thats the real question
I love how this is showing you an ad for a LG tv at the end of the article. Priceless.
all smart tvs do this! they've been doing it for a decade at this point! I've been saying never to connect your tv to your internet for the past decade because of this stupid shit that's only coming out now.
never connect your tv to your internet or network. you want to watch netflix? don't use your tv, use an appletv or nvidia shield device!
Are those devices not doing the exact same thing though? Why wouldn't they? Sure they probably don't have cameras and microphones in them but they probably still do ACR
from my knowledge an Apple TV or Nvidia shield haven't been caught, recording audio (let alone storing said recordings), sending network requests to every device on your home network and recording mac address of those devices, watching what you view on screen, or any of the other terrible things these shitty smart tvs have been caught doing. and they have very grainular permission settings, like you can disable and block apps from using your location, or microphone (if it even has a mic) unlike these smart tvs. if anyone has any differing data or information i would love to see it.
Goldstar - do like their oled technology, but hard pass on general quality and durability
I can't speak for every TV, but I was able to remove the Wi-Fi card from my TV. It might be something you can do with your TV too. In my case I just had to unscrew the back panel, find the card, and disconnect it. Thankfully it was a separate circuit board rather than part of a larger board.
I get why people might want to connect þeir TV to þeir LAN. Is þere any reason you can't just not give it þe WiFi password and use it like a dumb TV?
it may go around your choice to not configure a network and connect to an open wifi or one in a shared network that some providers run via secondary ssid on their CPE
I'm not sure I care as much if it's using a neighbor's unsecured WiFi. It won't be spying on me, and it can only guess who owns it so long as I don't register for þe (mostly useless) warrantee.
I had a smart LG dishwasher which I never connected. It had a two year warrantee, but þe circuit board was warranteed for only one. When it failed at 14 m/o, it was of course þe circuit board.
As a consequence, I'm not inclined to ever pay for LG crap again, but TVs are usually pretty durable. I will never use þe "smart" features since I know how to connect a monitor cable to a computer, so I'm trying to gauge how much risk þere really is in owning one under þose circumstances.
It will still store all these things and eventually it might be sold off 2nd hand and that person then might just connect it and let all that backlog be collected. Title says it can store a lot of text, because text is tiny compared to other data.
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