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[–] 216 points 2 months ago (7 children)

She probably noticed him OGLING HER based on the description he just gave

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  • [–] 84 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Saunas are sacred shit. It's like a gay bar, if you want to not be seen as a pest you 100% must stop acting like a moid when you enter. And some people just don't want to be spoken to

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    how does one not act like a moid, what are common non-moid behaviors?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    In the context of the greenext it would have been being able to sit in silence with a stranger in a leisure setting without needing to make the situation about themself. That's an extreme situation though because sauna.

    Usually it's just reading people to know how far you should take a simple "how's it going?". The best advice that doesn't apply to most people but someone should probably hear is not everything is an opportunity to shoot your shot, not that this is what happened.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I would bet it would have been fine to talk with someone. It's not ok to hit on them. Obviously you need to read the room for all of it though. Maybe they don't want to chat at all, or maybe they are open to flirting, but if you can't read it well then probably STFU and keep your eyes off others.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    I have a question, if i don't watch the person how do i read the room to understand if they wanna talk? I kinda have problems with such stuff

    (I just wanna say that i never have been in a sauna, i doubt i would talk but i guess that of we are in the same room.with such heat for more than 10 minutes, talking would help enduring)

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  • [–] 81 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    I would say the gym is absolutely not where people go to make friends, but apparently the younger generation does use it for that. That kind of blows my mind, but it's certainly healthier than going to a bar to meet people.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Any place you go regularly can become a place to make friends.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    What's wrong with going to the bar to meet people?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think this has nothing to do with it being a sauna and more about "Girl with real good body, tits and butt" which means OP was already staring and moaning under his breath.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    I also wonder, if he had said something normal immediately after entering it probably would have been fine. Imagine sitting in silence next to someone for 10 minutes and then they ask you a question. That's weirder to me.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago

    Is it naked I here or is that just you

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    You smell that?

    OP after releasing a stream of whey farts for the past 10 minutes.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago*

    I think it's because she could see his erection.

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  • [–] 77 points 2 months ago

    She was absolutely looking to leave as soon as this guy schlubbed in to look over her "good body, tits, and butt". The attempt at conversation was just the opening she needed to escape.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Heh I miss saunas. I grew up with them. Perfect bonding experience. As in stfu and meditate.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago*

    I'm imagining this as a sitcom In which the scene cuts after anon's mouth opens, but just before words come out.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    "I'm a sleazy fuckin creep, where did I go wrong?!"

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    People talk in the sauna? I thought that was a nono

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It seems the rest of the world has decided that saunas need to be quiet, when the actual Finnish thing is a social event. You have a beer, sometimes a sausage on the oven. I don't know what the point of a stfu wellness sauna in a gym is.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    At my local it's like a fucking pub in there. Yapping away. I wish they would all just shit up and sweat silently

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That sounds terrible. Saunas look like serene places, not for places to talk about... anything.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    TIL tits and butt are not part of the body.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Maybe he wanted the room to himself. No awkward girl there

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  • [–] 62 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Here's the "rule": The first time you speak to someone they should be fully clothed, unless there is a clothing malfunction you are attempting to resolve and that requires spoken communication.

    It's fine to make friends at the gym, tho that's not what I'm ever there for. It's fine to talk in the sauna, to people you are already on speaking terms with. It's not okay to see someone in the sauna, appreciate their body, and use that as motivation to talk to them for the first time.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A "do you mind if I pour some water on the stones?" Is a good opener. Then you wait for them to engage. If they don't, so be it.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not true, you may address anyone at any point in the sauna if you bend over, spread your ass cheeks and lip sync every word you say with your anus.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I'm sure there are also circles where less-clothed social events do happen where not everyone at the event is already mutually acquainted. While I've never been to those event myself and haven't be told the social protocols explicitly, I would assume that if you aren't crashing the event, you are allowed to speak to less-clothed persons you've not met before, to introduce yourself at least.

    (I'm not a pretty person, so I think I'd be even more uncomfortable that such events than I am at other social events.)

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Also, always assume your intentions are transparent as glass even before you open your mouth. People can see and tell why you're talking to them. I hate that this is something's I learnt through trial and error.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Complete disagree. I've been accused of intentions I didn't have and ascribed intentions to others that didn't have them. Even in face-to-face communications, we are really just guessing at intent and it is often quite opaque.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    It's not difficult.

    Shut the door. Shut up. Sit down and keep your mouth shut.

    You are allowed to aks "löyly?" and yell "Shut the door!" at appropriate times, but otherwise just shut the fuck up.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    That's not really true, or it might be in some parts of the world.

    However, in the land of the Sauna, that is the place to talk. It's where you ask someone to be your best man. It's where you ask your boss a raise. It's where you agree on a business deal, or maybe to set up a monopoly with your competitors. And you best abide by these words: Never enter a Sauna sober, nor without a drink.

    Never been to a womens Sauna, but I expect them to do something naughty as they don't allow us guys there...

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You can talk private if you have a private sauna.

    In a public one, nobody wants to listen to others small talk.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is why I only do big talk in the sauna.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That's not really how it works in the US. People talk so much in the steam room/sauna, that you're pretty much expected to have a conversation when you step inside of either one. As an introvert it's very anxiety-inducing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't that just an US thing in general? I've understood that everybody (especially in the south) always wants to have a conversation no matter if you're strangers or not

    Over here in the Netherlands we just ignore eachother and when you go to buy groceries you wait for them to tell you the total and than you give them the money. No need to have a whole conversation and I love it that way, i don't think i would survive the "southern hospitality" i always read about

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    As a 38-year-old who has lived in the US for most of my life, that hasn't been true for over 15 years now. Strangers don't talk to each other in public anymore like we all did in the 90s and 2000s; everybody's staring at their screens in their own little social media world, minding their own business. No one even makes eye contact with strangers anymore, let alone speak to them.

    It's really depressing and makes it next to impossible to form friendships in adulthood...

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't know about the no speaking rules in Saunas. I would think that should be a sign but there easily could have been and anon didn't read.

    It would already be creepy if the first thing he asked was where she lived; however the line "Well I decided to talk to her and ask where she's from" can imply that he spoke, got no response, then kept yapping.

    Furthermore, the fact he's complaining about how what he did was not "really that bad" without acknowledging he broke a rule, tells me that he knew what he was doing but decided to break that rule because he's not "really that bad".

    All that said, I'd probably break that rule to crack a one-liner like the reply, because dumb jokes are my favorite.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago*

    I've never seen any no speaking rules in Germany but "no flirting" is very much an implied rule and the way anon describes her has having a "good body, tits and butt" he probably might have been creepy before even saying anything.

    I'm not a big sauna guy and thus mostly was there with my girlfriend. And in the setting where you're there with a partner, causal small talk with strangers was quite normal. I think it heavily depends on being able to read the room.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    "Classic line. That is just a great line. Gotta manoeuvre more dates into saunas"

    They could have at least used the pic of Nancy in the sauna

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    She was polite enough not to storm out when a dude entered the women's sauna.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I have never been in a mixed sauna. I don't think I could do it.

    It is like releasing a hungry bear into seal exhibit. The seal has no where to run and idiots are scream "oh my God why would he do this"

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Men* shouldn't act like hungry bears. Society at large shouldn't have to assume there's a significant risk that an an unrestrained man will act like a hungry bear. That includes in mixed saunas.

    The fear of being a trapped seal is, currently, fairly well-justified. It would be nice to change that.

    *: No persons should, but the problems are mostly cis men, like myself.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You're leaving out some details.

    Sneaky sneaky there Mr mountain top

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You’re leaving out some details.

    Well, yes, I usually am, but I thought I included sufficient, relevant detail. If not, please educate me or let me know where I can educate myself; I would like to do better in the future.

    Mr mountain top

    My inference here is that you are implying I find myself morally, ethically, or spiritually superior. I do not. I've made bad decisions that have hurt people in the past. I don't have any particular insight. And, I have been very lucky, so my experience being marginalized or exploited is limited.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A few hurt feelings are no big deal. "Oh I've hurt people" unless you own up to some egregious offense you are probably over estimating your ability to impact the world.

    The details you are leaving out is the groups of people who do the majority of the abuse. It isn't "cis men" it is people with a certain entitlement. Usually with power or cultural backgrounds unfamiliar with feminism. Let alone modern feminism.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    own up to some egregious offense

    Well, I'm not coping to it here, but I'd say it is worse than "hurt feelings".

    you are probably over estimating your ability to impact the world

    Definitely this, too. Thinking I'm more impactful than I am is a source of some of my own suffering.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    C'mon fam. I thought we were having fun trolling. Don't make this serious. We're all the source of our own suffering. Yada-yada existential crybaby crap.

    I hope all your basic needs and family are met.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    If that helps your anxieties: having gone to a mixed gym sauna for a long time, I have never ever seen anything remotely inappropriate. People just take the sauna, that is all. If there are any groups coming together, they may chat between themselves, but you'll barely ever hear a stranger even talking to you.

    Gym saunas specifically have enough surveillance and multiple controlled chokepoints where perpetrator would be immediately stopped and given straight to the authorities. So, one should be incredibly idiotic to even attempt something like that. In this sense, it is no less safe than any other monitored public facility.

    As a personal argument, a lot of predatory behaviors in men stems specifically from something being too limited and restricted. For people coming regularly to the mixed sauna, even those naked ones in some European places, a naked woman is just another naked person. When it becomes mundane, it stops having anything sexual attached to it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    In the US there are not mixed gender saunas. Mostly a European thing and even then not all of them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    European example shows it's perfectly fine, though. And I don't think American culture is so much different it cannot be imported one way or another.

    Personally, I find it very convenient since I go to the gym with my partner, and we can hang out together not only while training, but also relaxing after. This also helps coordinate our actions, so we don't sit and wait for each other.

    That said, separate gender saunas should exist too for people who prefer them. They're fine, too!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    You focus on your conveniences rather than the expressed discomforts of others.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not at all. I'm not saying separate gender saunas should be abolished, I merely make a case for the alternative.

    When me and my partner chose a gym to go to, a mixed sauna was among the positives. Neither of us would like it if it were separate.

    Should you choose one, you're free to stick to those with separate options. It's alright. I simply addressed the concern of potential sexual abuse happening in mixed saunas - on my watch, there were exactly zero instances of any inappropriate behavior. If this doesn't help - so be it, separate options never went anywhere. Enjoy what brings you comfort and safety.

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