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[–] 162 points 2 months ago (36 children)

And as a side effect it’s destroying the next generation’s access to skill by undermining the education system.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is absolutely true

    What is also true is that the Republican speaker of the House in Indiana explained their long term goal was to gut education because it wasn’t profitable.

    This was in the 1980s

    Mission Accomplished

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago (28 children)

    The Matrix called the 90s the peak of human civilization, and it felt extreme and foolish at the time. Turned out to be prescient.

    The education system started getting gutted in the 80s, and it accelerated rapidly under W in the 00s. MAGA is a direct line from this and the similar policies around it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (26 children)

    Life continues getting better in China every year.

    Just something to think about.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    In any given country there are always groups that are, to varying degrees, persecuted, ostracised or who don't benefit from the general increase in the quality of life. That does not mean the country isn't doing well.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    You are of course correct on that. I was merely pushing back on what was looking and sounding like a tankie agenda. But life is steadily getting better in China (based on data that I trust which isn't that easy to find when it comes to China), which I'm very glad for.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago* (22 children)

    Many of the same people and organizations that told you that are also Israel supporters. Ask yourself why that is.

    The actual statistics for Xinjiang province show the same quality of life improvements as the rest of China. The Uyghur population is living longer, attaining higher education, earning higher incomes, and their region is seeing constant development.

    Time will tell. A year from now, I bet things are even better. Will your life be better next year? Mine probably won't.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    mate, i hear you opinion. But your comment and your past comments come in too strong.

    As if you are paid to push an agenda.
    Sometimes it does feel you are a bot account enabling a specific narrative.

    Good luck on future conversations on the internet. Hope you get more considerate

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    They aren't coming on too strong just because you don't like what they said. You might be a bit sensitive to the topic.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Somehow I'm the one that's coming on too strong and is inconsiderate, but it's okay for them to accuse me of being either being a paid liar or not being human at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    When did they say that? I must be missing a reply.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

    They said "As if you are paid to push an agenda" so I'm a paid liar, and then "Sometimes it does feel you are a bot account enabling a specific narrative" so maybe I'm not even human.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Did I even reply to your comment? Pretty sure my reply is to the other poster.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    You have you understand, she has no friends for the last 10 years and thinks China is a good place. Said so herself.

    https://sh.itjust.works/post/66349866/27303599

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    I also regularly self harm and am a stupid worthless fucking animal that deserves to fucking die.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (7 children)

    You need to get some help, I am hoping ya do. You're clearly in a dark place and need someone to listen to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I'm too fucking poor to get any help.

    I'm awake in the middle of the night because I had a panic attack about the rain because my garage roof has been leaking so badly and I can't fix it and it's just going to get worse and worse until it caves in and then the landlord will evict me and then I'll kill myself.

    IM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW IM FREE

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Landlords suck and I wish mine would get shot and killed. This year I was hit with the triple whammy of my dad having a stroke, my brother getting ill from the stress, and then the landlord threatening to evict us for my brother throwing up in public.

    The new land manager is recently whipped someone with a chain when they tried to leave on time and he claimed they still owed him money.

    It says something that Adam Smith and Karl Marx both agreed landlords do nothing and shouldn't be a thing. Two people who described the two main ways people think of economics hate them.

    I hope you are able to get help and get out of that shithole.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'll never get help. Everything gets worse forever, anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's how it fucking feels, yeah. I wish I could do more to help you. I'm just a random person on the internet who's vaguely in the same backwards nation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    But you see, I'm not even a random person to other posters. In their opinion I'm either a paid Chinese agitator or a bot.

    And then I foolishly let that shit get to me, and trauma dumped on the chat like a fucking loser and humiliated myself.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'll admit, the method of communication does not help. There are things in the comments that are aggressive and agitating to people who read it. It does not seem conductive to the cause.

    But you're not a fool for expressing emotions. No one is. The people who find emotions are weak are the kind of people who capitalism enables and rewards. They get far in life because they don't care about humans. That's all positions of power, the further you go up, the more distanced from humans you are.

    I'm personally more of an anarchist than a Marxist, but I don't view you as en enemy. You're someone in a stressful situation and you lashed out. Mistakes happen, we can only learn from them.

    I can't offer much, I have to pretend to get sleep soon. I wish I could give you something warm to drink and a hug. I would advice some grounding techniques, deep breaths, and maybe a show you really enjoy. Or some dumb YouTube shit.

    I wish you luck, and I hope you're able to recover soon. I don't wish to say it will get better. That's a promise I can't keep and I refuse to make those. All I can say is that hopefully in a year or two, you can look back and reflect on how it seemed hopeless then.

    Things aren't okay for me either. I have support networks of my family and friends. I don't know if I'd be typing this back to you at... [Stares at clock] 3:30 am if I didn't have them. My past has some wild shit from manic episodes and shit I did when I lashed out in anger, rage, and fear.

    But I hope you're able to take a breather from here. Lemmy is better than reddit. But that's not saying much. I wish I could lend you more.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'm sorry that's all happening to you. There are pockets of America that aren't so bad, you might be okay where I'm at. The right place and right people can make all the difference. Send me a DM if you need to talk.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I do this for free because I'm a stupid loser and I haven't had friends for almost ten years and I probably never will again and have nothing better to do with my time and it will never get better and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar. 🙂

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry to hear it mate.

    Friendships are built on giving.
    Am sure you have that in you.

    I met my bestie while doing a lake cleanup organized by an NGO. Perhaps you can do as well. Here’s to hoping

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  • [+] 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 56 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    We need to seriously deal with the wealthy, they seem intent on killing everyone else.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Wait until they start becoming TRILLIONAIRES within the next 5 years. Then they'll band together, declare a sovereign nation, and defend it with an army.

    Why do you think Ivanka and Kushner bought that fortified Island for an Oligarch "resort?" The one that was built to resist a NATO attack? It also happens to be at the mouth of a Strait through which much of Eastern European cargo flows through. She was made aware of this island while cruising past it on a yacht with the Rothschilds.

    It's the perfect island to declare sovereignty. Their money can't be used to help our nation, but they can use it to start up an entirely NEW nation from scratch.

    Let's take it from them before they get the chance.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    where is this quote? I'd rather share that than some influencer quoting the quote.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago

    The goal of the owners is to rid themselves of paying for things they feel entitled to. AI is another step towards total control for the real owners of this country (USA).

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago*

    in other words: "Make the rich richer while fucking everyone else into the dirt with all available violence."

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    All these people at work are so eager to devalue themselves. They're rushing to have AI do their work and accepting the same pay.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Well yes, that's the goal of all technological progress. Ya think we have assembly lines in factories for the fun of it? Or machines automating what used to be artisanal work? CNC machines making parts that used to be forged for example. Do you think the goal of the tractor is anything more than to get by with fewer workers on the fields?

    Hell, go as far back as the invention of the printing press and the owners of these could stop relying on monks copying everything by hand.

    You can avoid AI altogether or if you can find a genuinely good use case for it, you can potentially use it to start a company with fewer employees, meaning less starting capital needed.

    At the end of the day your problem is with capitalism and the boomers who want to retire on even larger piles of cash, not the tool that could actually be used to reduce the need for capital if it was as good as the people selling it wasn't you to think.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes, but also AI is different. In all the examples you gave, technology increases the efficiency of practical labor. AI is the first time we have attempted to take art away from the artist or wisdom away from the wise.

    It’s a consolidation of power at a different scale of human experience. Compare control over book printing to control over the very act of writing. Control over scientific research vs. control over the very act of deliberation itself.

    AI is an attempt to replace our intuitions and talents with an ersatz sludge of curated slop.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    AI is also a single answer homogenizing machine that uses gambling (prompting) to addict the user and then yes man techniques keep the user hooked.

    No idea if this was intentional, but it is.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (26 children)

    This is one of those times I like to be a pedant and separate LLMs and other generating bots from what I think most people would consider intelligence. Real intelligence made from silicon could serve all of humanity, but LLMs are just the next fancy shitcoin the wealthy and their hangers-on want to convince you spits out something that has high value when it clearly doesn't (unless you're in the propaganda business).

    Edited for clarity

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  • [+] -14 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    Dude, you are talking about 8 months ago. The versions you pay for are really good.

    Seriously

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    They're good at things you're not good at. If you're good at something, and you see them try to do it, they're shite.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    LLMs are already better than humans at math and cybersecurity, since around spring this year. If you are a human in those fields, you’re worse, period. I’m not sure why you’d just to around blatantly lying about things you clearly don’t understand.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Well it's impossible to lie about something you don't understand, that's just called being wrong. And I may be. But I'd argue that while AI has solved notable math problems and created notable security patches and hacks it is not actually "better" than all humans at those things; and I'd be astounded if someone who had actual expertise, which your comment shows no proof of, agreed with you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How is it not better if it can do things humans can’t? OpenAI just solved another 100 problems no human could solve. Mythos finds decades-old vulnerabilities in common software on the regular. What can humans do better? You don’t have to be an expert to see where this is going. The entire field of math is basically in a panic right now, signing petitions left and right to try and stop AI from killing their field. Cybersecurity only fares better because not every company is allowed to use mythos and a big part of the job is security training for employees.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    I keep hearing this but what makes them "good"? Like at the end of the day they're still just LLMs right? Even if they can generate a perfect picture that no human could tell is AI, so what? What is that skill useful for besides fooling humans into believing something is real that isn't true?

    Heck- they can't even set a reminder like natural language processing (Siri) could do fifteen years ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    For instance:

    I asked Claude to help me create a website. IMHO the one it built (with some back and forth) was way better than websites I have paid professionals to build.

    Furthermore, it showed me how to get it hosted for free.

    It created programs that keep it updated that do not involve using Claude.

    I currently have a step where I am involved in the updates, but once I have confidence that it can properly handle edge cases I will have it completely automate the process.

    Siri cannot do that.

    MIT says AI can credibly do undergraduate work

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2026/08/25/ai-can-now-credibly-complete-most-undergraduate-assignments-mit-warns/

    People keep piling into the copium but they should be paying attention.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    I think you're misunderstanding my question, I'm not saying LLMs can't spit out a website so perfectly convincing that it would be impossible to discern from a human made website.

    I'm asking what makes speeding up the creation of such "slop-sites" useful or desirable to anyone?

    EDIT: Maybe you could sell me on why automating undergraduate work is something interesting or helpful?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    My example was to refute the prior comments

    Thanks for knowing that my website is slop having not seen it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Man, every time I ask someone what makes LLMs useful I get weird rambling defensiveness.

    I don't understand how "automated production of websites that can fool you into believing a person made them" is helpful or interesting or valuable to anyone but propogandists and scammers.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Where I work it has become standard to use these tools. Being dismissive of it's capabilities is a ship that sailed 2 years ago, and unfortunately it will only get more powerful.

    I hate it though and wish we could put all this back into Pandora's box.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I know you think they're good, I asked what makes them good. Maybe you can you give an example of what makes them good? It might help me understand your perspective.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Theres a really interesting episode of the podcast "diary of s ceo" with the guest Ed Zitron. He says a lot about how we can see some really good uses for AI but not trillions of dollars worth of use. Billions, maybe, but trillions? Personally, im wondering if this is a way for the uber rich to suck as much money out of the rich before the economy collapses.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    The investment speculation angle really does feel like crypto 2.0. Blockchain tech has some interesting, though niche right now, uses.

    I'm with Ed I absolutely don't think LLMs are worthless but anyone who thinks a critical mass of real people want to pay real dollars for slop are living a fantasy.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    define "real AI" and not as in "it's not an LLM"

    edit: also 20 upvotes on this in fuck_ai? c'mon people use your heads...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    I didn't say "real AI" why are you asking for a definition? EDIT I'm dumb, edited my comment

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    That's only if Hyperscale AI doesn't prove to be a bubble. If AI ends up as regular software, it's a different story.

    Basically, Hyperscale AI turned computing to a capital intensive industry, when it was a labour intensive industry before (which is why developers were so well paid). If that stabilizes as the new normal, then the meme is 100% true. If it turns out that after a certain point, throwing more hardware at the models doesn't really improve them AND things like quantization that turn LLMs/agents into software anyone can run on basic hardware, then we are in a different timeline.

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    Wealth has always had access to skill. AI just gave them access that's even cheaper, and less likely to complain and unionize.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone know who said this?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Skill, but also copyright.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    *under capitalism

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    wealth:skill::capital:labour

    It’s not a new concept, and neither are the countermeasures or remedies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    knowledge and data is not really skill, but i get what they were referring to

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Hmm ai isn't the issue, it's the hoarders of riches

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    "don't blame the guns, blame the people" ass comment as if the tool was not a force multiplier

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