Reddit is doing age verification now?? lmao
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I think most who would leave have already left.
I can get out of lemmy what I got out of reddit a long time ago. It only takes a few hundred smart/funny people to make a chat board good. We're here now. Hopefully some of the niche communities get ported over soon enough, but the real greatness of reddit was that it was mostly uncensored and intelligent opinion. That's mostly dead.
Only in some communities it was..
And, the lack of censorship wasn't a good thing. It allowed absolute shtshow's like thedonald or fatpeoplehate to exist way too long. There were also numerous pedo subreddits too which were allowed to exist apparently.
I'd argue that Reddit is at least partially responsible for a lot of f'ed up shit that many countries are now facing, by empowering those weirdos
i think FB has reddit beat, FB resulted in more conflicts than reddit ever did.
Absolutely true
In fact, here in Australia, someone has now introduced legislation in parliament to force social media companies to provide a feed without the algorithm / only posts by people you subscribe to
Of course the right wing nut jobs don't like the legislation, because they rely on scare mongering and rage bait to exist
That's why you know it's great legislation
The problem with reddit very specifically is that it was, in many ways, internet counterculture. It grabbed a very specific demographic which is much less likely to be active on Facebook - young men stepping out from their edgy teenager "it's not a stage mom" stage, and into the throes of early adulthood. So now you have this very strange thing where "youth counterculture" is sometimes (often enough to be a problem) this unholy marriage between fascist nihilism and Christian nationalism.
And some of them upon arriving here, noped out (either immediately or waiting a few years first) and went back:-(.
That type definitely will not be so eager to return.
It does not help that people here can be INSANELY aggressive against each other.
Brother, early reddit was a fucking war zone lol. I swear, I learned more grammar from outright shame than I ever did in school.
Especially from hexbear, which not every instance defederates from.
Though I've also seen more than a few people so proud at their choice to flaunt pushing past consent, from Lemmy.ml.
Wait, people on Lemmy.ml do what!?!
When hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml are defederated, then nearly 100% of the time the most batshit insane replies I see are from Lemmy.ml.
Echo chambers do horrible things to people:-(.
Probably not large scale, but definitely a spike. We've been seeing more signups lately due to the US talking shit about Canada.
We publish some graphs here https://fedecan.ca/en/guide/data/lemmy/users
Reddit is 80%+ bots so I don't expect those accounts to shift platforms. But I do imagine some former reddit users will trickle over as it continues to alienate its fanbase with stupid choices like getting rid of old reddit.
Most of Reddit's users do not post, comment, or even vote.
Reddit's product is the ability to sell people the perception of a natural conversation between two ordinary people on the internet, where the conversation is shaped by corporations and state agents.
Actual ordinary people get in the way of that. Reddit does not want users.
Most of Reddit's users do not post, comment, or even vote.
Tbf the 90-9-1 rule applies everywhere on social media, ostensibly including here though many claim to have merely lurked there yet actually talk here. But we may still have a 51-48-1 distribution here?
Can attest to that. I tried starting a new reddit account with an anonymous email just to talk to people. Apparently reddit assumed I was a bot and shadow banned me within a week. Never had that with any other emails.
It's a lot of dead internet with most posts being dredged up reposts and celeb gossip/worship (which has gotten way worse btw). It's starting to resemble instagram "memes' and the nerdier shit is definitely coming over here.
istg, what's with all the harvesting they've been doing of cat pictures over there?: 11 hours ago, 5 hours ago, 5 hours ago, 6 hours ago, 26 minutes ago ...
It can't all be karma-farming.
Reddit itself if doing their best to make sure I don't vist even accidentally

Man you’ve got to be logged in to Reddit to see old Reddit now. The vast majority of us can’t see that.
Here, I've replaced all the links above with links for Redlib (a Reddit proxy) so y'all can read without trouble.
[...] 11 hours ago, 5 hours ago, 5 hours ago, 6 hours ago, 26 minutes ago ...
(Search and replace my beloved <3)
Hopefully. I am already on both sites (though on reddit I hardly ever start new threads and only use it on desktop) and would love getting opportunities to talk about all the topics here that I currently talk about only on reddit.
It is so incredible. I used to think the main threat to a free and open Internet was copyright. Then in the mid-2010s the talking points against it shifted to misinformation and hate speech.
Now it's age verification? How did we get here?
Old.Reddit is getting sign ins required too for “safety” reasons. So even my limited desktop browsing is going to be limited now.
wierdly i couldnt get around it on ironfox, it wont let me use old reddit at all. firefox with (old reddit, and sinkit, or yesterredit add on still works, and it blocks the login requirement still). the alternative is people using the alternative apps like redlib, or continuum.
I think the biggest threat is all the billionaires who don't want working class people getting together and agreeing with each other on the internet.
Everything you mentioned - misinformation, hate speech, age verification - works towards that same goal.
not if they dont hear about it
We need to start spreading word of mouth, with posters, etc.
People already know - that's the problem.
See e.g. these comments from a community that a couple of months ago was considering whether to switch from Reddit to the Threadiverse (https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/):
I tried switching to Lemmy a long time ago, but that place is toxic and full of weird people.
There are big pockets of radical tankie communities on Lemmy that like trolling and being toxic
There are a lot more reasons than this but having spent the last 3 years on the fediverse alternatives, and just seen the shit that happens over there, I feel very confident in saying it will not ever serve as a serious Reddit alternative. It will serve as something, but not Reddit
Lemmy is shit. So is reddit but Lemmy is shittier
Sadly, these seem representative of how people think of us here. You can see it for yourself too: simply browse most instances from an account without your existing blocks, in order to see what it is like from the eyes of a Redditor. Worse, they are primarily religious (Christian, Muslim, Mormon, whatever) centrists, and not only do they not FEEL welcomed here, but... in truth... they AREN'T ⁉️
Many also use - - fucking Windows!!1! (Or Macs) People here are extremely toxic towards viewpoints seen as totally, completely, 💯% incorrect.
Which makes sense. But then it begs the question: people keep saying that we should try to increase the number of people coming here from Reddit but like... do we really want that? Truly?
these people might not give Lemmy another chance, but we can try again with PieFed?
I did hope so.
Technically I still do, but it's all so terribly complicated that it scares people away - Lemmy vs. PieFed vs. Mbin, and then what experience someone would get from each individual instance, like how are things on PieFed.zip vs. PieFed.social vs. quokk.au.
All of which allow exposure to tankies on Lemmy.ml, thus requiring effort on behalf of the new users to first discover the controversy and decide what to do about it, and then figure out ways to implement their decision (which as with pretty much everything else is far easier on PieFed than Lemmy).
We have a reputation problem, and PieFed does little to solve that. I once placed strong hopes that the "instance chooser" in particular would help, but that hope has not turned into reality.
I suspect new people unknowingly went to the tankie instances.
Or any instance that federated with them. Unlike lemmy.world, a ton of smaller instances - all of those that I looked at, like StarTrek.website and mander.xyz and discuss.online - did not defederate from hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml, or ofc Lemmy.ml.
After a random comment in hexbear.net - in a post found by browsing All - and then again in Lemmygrad.ml, I almost left the Threadiverse myself. Instead, I merely left Lemmy for PieFed for a couple years before wanting to try a bunch of 3rd-party apps.
We've all had those kinds of experiences, so it is no wonder why people left and now talk about us behind our back as if we tolerate tankie toxicity - i.e. we are a tankie bar - bc we do, and we are, and they simply find that unacceptable.
bOtH sIdEs SaMe.
Well, more people in general
Well they would have to come from somewhere. Bluesky, Reddit, touching grass irl, Facebook, something.
It was easier for those of us who came here with the early-adopter mindset. The next wave will need... I'm not sure what, but something different than what worked for us earlier on.
Well, what makes the threadiverse great? What do we do here that we love? What could a potential user do?
At least for me, I'm now here 100%.
Not sure what you mean by exodus. I “left” Reddit for Lemmy, but Lemmy doesn’t do what I want, so it doesn’t replace Reddit. I went back to Reddit. Now I’m on both, for different reasons.
I don’t have any issues with bots on Reddit, but all the subs I’m on have very small numbers of users. The “equivalent” Lemmy communities are ghost towns where people haven’t made a single post in 2 years.
I don't feel guilty about looking at reddit now and then, but I do it through browser and I will NEVER contribute content or moderation, ever again. Fuck them. I used redact, deleted all my shit. Site is 90% dead internet trash 10% humans who haven't been banned yet for saying a bad word.
Reddit has a long tail of small communities you really can’t find elsewhere. Some of the ones I frequent tried to move to Lemmy but it really didn’t work out. Ended up moving to Discord, which is far worse than Reddit.
The only thing I'll kinda miss is the sub for my sports team because it's a good aggregation of news and people with insight and information comment there.
...but at the same time I won't miss it because of the endless homering and doom n gloom anytime anytime happens
Yeah small nieche sub's are really what made reddit for me, I used a bot to mirror posts onto here and it slowly grows the community. I think bridging is as often the best way to transfer the masses
Simply speaking. No
Lets be real, while many do care, it isn't going to be a "I need to leave the platform" level care.
Furthermore, the people impacted by it, may also not actually be in the majority either. For example they are doing similar to how discord is doing their age verification, where they are using existing metrics to infer your age without hard requiring it. Reddit has stated that said metrics include account age, email provider and topics you navigate.
Unless they have a super heavy handed way of doing this, I doubt anything super meaningful like another mass exodus like how the API issue was will happen.
they already aggressively starting to force a login popup, and also trying to redirect old reddit to new reddit. there ultimate goal is to make people use the APP.
Yes, and
their ultimate goal is to
make people use the APPmonetise every single interaction
Anyone else remember when forums were just for having fun, not making the owners money or collecting data? Can't believe it used to be that way.
Also, recently they require you to login to access old reddit where previously you could browse without logging in. They do not require a valid email address (yet) to create an account, so while not a total crap show, it is rapidly approaching.
This change is what led me to do a search for alternatives to reddit in which Lemmy here was suggested.
other browser forks seem unaffected, while another will force the login each time.(with the old reddit redirect), and a extension that makes old reddit usable on mobile.
Yeah the forced log in is super annoying. I’ll browse the homepage and immediately get a pop up asking me to download the app and make an account.
Super annoying since that site has more of the answers to most questions typed into Google.
Only if the affected users know about the existence of lemmy, and many of them likely do not. If you happen to still be using reddit, you should use it to shill lemmy, hopefully in a diversity of subreddits so that lemmy doesn't become any more of an echo chamber than it already is.
Problem here is it relies on people using redit after having found lemmy. I know some people do, but I can only imagine it's a one-way valve for most.
i only remember lemmy was a thing, when the API disaster happened after i got banned, people were really freaking out how to get back in reddit.
I'm doing my part, and if you still use reddit make sure to use an ad blocker and a VPN at least to make it harder to get any revenue from you.
It'll be both good and bad if it happens.
While it'll be great for the threadiverse to have more growth it will inevitably put us in the crosshairs of bot farms and AI data farmers.
I plan on going to smaller fediverse graphs if it ever gets too mainstream around here.
The moment I see a fuckin brand I am out. Joining whatever network has a zero tolerance policy for that corporate fuckery.
well I have some bad news for you. https://engineering.fb.com/2024/03/21/networking-traffic/threads-has-entered-the-fediverse/
In the future, platforms like lemmy will probably have to find privacy-respecting ways of verifying that someone is a human. There are ways to prove someone is an actual human without relying on digital technologies at all. If you're trying to prove humanity and not using human solutions, you're going to fail.
There will always be one more thing.
Every time it happens, the stream of people becomes less ... pleasant on average. Not to say there aren't still good people that might come over, but the people that come at this point are pretty accepting of toxicity and are more likely to spread it.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass. More people means more bots, state actors, and trolls. But it also means more memes and small subs.
I expect reddit will roll it out slowly and stop if they're losing too many users. If they actually follow through and impose age "verification" on everyone it'll be a bigger exodus than anything seen before — so they probably won't.
reddit seemed to have lost tons of "traffic" in the past few months, which is why they are implementing the aggressive logins right now. i think it was reported on another forum that it was AI/chatgpt not referencing or scraping reddit anymore in thier summaries, which is the result of reddits ever increaisng filter that was banning people last year. they lost too much people last year as well from indisriminate bannings. so the user generated posts became less usefull, and started to be filled with most AI posting.
I wonder if accounts that are 18 years old will also be required to be verified.
Google did it so I assume they will
google's login requirement conincides with reddits login popups, (reddit depends on google). one of thier current method is limiting the amount of accounts per device.
wait so google already implemented age verification? wtf?
I can’t wait for another wave of posters who refer to “this administration” and numbered amendments regardless of topic or international context.
Fr murricans can't fathom being in an international space.
Feels like I've been here forever but however old my lemmy account is is how long I've been off reddit.
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