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Are we likely to see another large-scare exodus to the Threadiverse as reddit begins rolling out age-verification worldwide? (lemmy.zip)
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[–] 8 points 2 months ago (10 children)

We need to start spreading word of mouth, with posters, etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    People already know - that's the problem.

    See e.g. these comments from a community that a couple of months ago was considering whether to switch from Reddit to the Threadiverse (https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/):

    I tried switching to Lemmy a long time ago, but that place is toxic and full of weird people.

    There are big pockets of radical tankie communities on Lemmy that like trolling and being toxic

    There are a lot more reasons than this but having spent the last 3 years on the fediverse alternatives, and just seen the shit that happens over there, I feel very confident in saying it will not ever serve as a serious Reddit alternative. It will serve as something, but not Reddit

    Lemmy is shit. So is reddit but Lemmy is shittier

    Sadly, these seem representative of how people think of us here. You can see it for yourself too: simply browse most instances from an account without your existing blocks, in order to see what it is like from the eyes of a Redditor. Worse, they are primarily religious (Christian, Muslim, Mormon, whatever) centrists, and not only do they not FEEL welcomed here, but... in truth... they AREN'T ⁉️

    Many also use - - fucking Windows!!1! (Or Macs) People here are extremely toxic towards viewpoints seen as totally, completely, 💯% incorrect.

    Which makes sense. But then it begs the question: people keep saying that we should try to increase the number of people coming here from Reddit but like... do we really want that? Truly?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    these people might not give Lemmy another chance, but we can try again with PieFed?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I did hope so.

    Technically I still do, but it's all so terribly complicated that it scares people away - Lemmy vs. PieFed vs. Mbin, and then what experience someone would get from each individual instance, like how are things on PieFed.zip vs. PieFed.social vs. quokk.au.

    All of which allow exposure to tankies on Lemmy.ml, thus requiring effort on behalf of the new users to first discover the controversy and decide what to do about it, and then figure out ways to implement their decision (which as with pretty much everything else is far easier on PieFed than Lemmy).

    We have a reputation problem, and PieFed does little to solve that. I once placed strong hopes that the "instance chooser" in particular would help, but that hope has not turned into reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect new people unknowingly went to the tankie instances.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Or any instance that federated with them. Unlike lemmy.world, a ton of smaller instances - all of those that I looked at, like StarTrek.website and mander.xyz and discuss.online - did not defederate from hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml, or ofc Lemmy.ml.

    After a random comment in hexbear.net - in a post found by browsing All - and then again in Lemmygrad.ml, I almost left the Threadiverse myself. Instead, I merely left Lemmy for PieFed for a couple years before wanting to try a bunch of 3rd-party apps.

    We've all had those kinds of experiences, so it is no wonder why people left and now talk about us behind our back as if we tolerate tankie toxicity - i.e. we are a tankie bar - bc we do, and we are, and they simply find that unacceptable.

    bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Well, more people in general

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Well they would have to come from somewhere. Bluesky, Reddit, touching grass irl, Facebook, something.

    It was easier for those of us who came here with the early-adopter mindset. The next wave will need... I'm not sure what, but something different than what worked for us earlier on.

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