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[–] 124 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Is Canada gonna reach out through tcp/ip and arrest them?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Anything you could want to know is here.

    Governments can block tcp and ISPs if they refuse to comply. They can also use it against trade relations or other negotiations as well too.

    If you’re trying to make a joke instead of genuinely asking a question, well…. Okay.

    The USA literally uses copyright, DRM and other stuff as bargaining chips with other countries, why would you not think the same could happen elsewhere?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Hahahahaha. I manage a mail server and they are never going to be able to block all the compromised accounts these scumbags use. I geo blocked the whole world and all domains except for the main top level ones and I still get regular fake phishing attempts using all manner of otherwise legitimate servers and domains. It doesn't matter what any law says. These people don't care and they are not going to be stopped often. I get a huge number these days from aws and google. As much as I would love to I can't block them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    It’s one thing for a billion dollar company to get the government to take someone down, and another thing entirely for an individual to get the government to take down a company.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Mark it as spam and let your email client do the work. Clicking unsubscribe can have negative consequences like confirming to the spammer that you are an actual human.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If the unsubscribe doesn't work, absolutely

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago*

    Things I know I signed up for, on purpose or inadvertently, get one attempt at unsubscribing. If it fails, they're spam and get treated as such. I never actually sign up for these things, but I accept that they put me on these lists when I make purchases or engage with them in some other way. I accept it, but I don't like it - and my patience with them when I try to unsubscribe is extremely limited.

    But things I "signed up" for and things Gmail asks me if I want to unsubscribe from - are two very different things. Gmail asks me that question several times a week. I "sign up" for things at a rate more like several times a year. Things that I didn't subscribe to that want me to unsubscribe are just scammers trying to polish their lists up and I'm not gonna help them.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Even if unsubscribe "works", and you get removed from the list, you just get added to the list again for the next campaign.

    If it's not something you subscribed to then it's spam.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago*

    If I can reasonably believe I did subscribe by mistake, unsubscribe. If there is no chance I willing consented to it, report as spam.

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    Forbidden by law in the EU, one-click unsubscribe they call it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Wait, are people genuinely not unsubscribing immediately from random advertisements? RIP their inbox i guess.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You're trusting random spam emails enough to click anything? I just click the report spam button on the email client and let the spam filters take care of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    No, i use the drop down menu on the email ui. It unsubs and reports spam.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It unsubs and reports spam.

    If it's a spammer, then unsubscribing just lets them add your email address to a list of known-active email addresses, which they can sell for more money to other scammers.

    If you subscribed to something, then unsubscribe, sure. If you didn't subscribe (AND accept a confirmation right after), then mark as spam ONLY - don't unsubscribe also.

    If someone else successfully subscribed you to something (accidentally or on purpose), then there wasn't a confirmation process - these people should be marked as spam.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Depends on the emails. Sometimes I don’t mind it.

    The worst though was a local business changed their name, with an email announcing the babe change that did not include the old name. So I had no idea who the fuck they were.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    The annoying part for me is Pi-Hole often blocks those unsubscribe links - understandably so, it's literally a link to a website operated by the exact spammers Pi-Hole is trying to block. I've started taking advantage of my email service's alias feature. Anytime a site wants my address for something, I just generate an alias address (that I can disable/delete at any time) that redirects to my regular inbox. And since the alias address typically contains the site's name, I know exactly who sold my data if I start getting spam from something I never signed up for.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I just report as spam and block

    Let them deal with the spamlist fallout

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Hitting 'unsubscribe':

    • Takes you to website where you have to go through multiple steps of inquisition: your email, are you sure, want to just get less, are you really sure, give us a reason, ok it's queued up and we'll get to it whenever.

    Or,

    • Hey, this is a live email. Ok, whatever, thanks. We'll make more money selling this email to data brokers. Mission accomplished.

    If on gmail, hit unsubscribe.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If you don't think you ever subscribed to it, even by mistake, report it as spam.

    Also they know your email is live if you loaded the unique HTML content of the email from their server.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    Warning unsubcribe buttons can be phishing attempts.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Fun LPT from me: I always read the notifications, but I don’t actually open most of my emails. Once they build up about 6mo worth I sort by sender and set rules to automatically delete or mark as read ones I get a lot of. Like, I don’t need to know my credit card statement is available. That email has no usable information. So now it bypasses my inbox and doesn’t bother me ever again.

    Unsubscribe is good too, but sometimes you want to filter out certain keywords like “receipt” but allow other stuff through for a certain address.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    My bank keeps telling me I haven't looked at my statement in a while. Like, yeah? Wtf is going to have happened. Its only been 3 months, there is no way I could have spent all my money in that time.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Blocking is sometimes better option. If its a unknown or sketchy link, its better to block than unsubscribe.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If you’re not in my whitelist, you don’t get to my inbox.

    Simple.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I've wanted to do this too, but I'm worried a website will have different domain names that I didn't know about. Say I subscribe to lemmy.com. Then I find out a month later that lemmy.com sends me important alerts from from lemmyalerts.com. If I had only whitelisted lemmy.com, I would have missed those alerts.

    Has this ever happened to you? Do you have a strategy for these?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    If someone emails from different domains like that, then they've missed one of the biggest security lessons in how to use the internet: only trust domains that you already know well and/or can verify. If you get an email from YourBank.kp or YourBankOfficialReallyIPromiseBro.com then don't trust it.

    The burden of proof lies with the sender to convince you they are who they say they are, by providing verifiable info and not using a domain you have to go whois.

    I think PayPal sends emails from PayPalMail.com or something like that, so when a friend asked me if it was real, I said probably not, but when I investigated it further I found the morons from PayPal did actually (sometimes?) email from another domain. It makes sense however that a company like PayPal, so closely connected to psychotic conman Musk, would do something that idiotic.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Must be nice living in Canada. When I was there I heard you guys bitching about your administrations a lot, but at least the administrative stuff was pretty straightforward (I almost experience culture shock when I went to do some administrative stuff to regularize my social security situation, and student visa a few years later, and got all the correct answers from talking to a single person, who didn't even try to backhandedly redirect me to some other service.

    Over here in France, we get official, sometimes of crucial importance, communications that look like textbook phishing (strange wording, embedding links to shady-ass looking domain names).

    Hell, with the latest gov data breach (which is like, the 5th one this year or something?) they sent us mails with anti-phishing good practices telling stuff like "never click on a link from a mail, go to the official website by yourself and find the thing from there" then follow up with a link...

    Sometimes they'll use extremely shady links too (sorry, my dear Republic, but I ain't clicking a link to something that doesn't end in .gouv.fr from you)

    Cherry on top : they recently passed a law exposing private companies to huge fines for not respecting stuff like breaches disclosures etc, then they (the government and/or related institutions) admitted to no wrongdoings after getting caught burying the evidence and not respecting basic security best practices. The only one that got some traction is the latest one because the hacker allegedly managed to extract all the financial data of the country's top tax evaders

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    All of my non-whitelisted email goes into the trash bin. I do peruse it, but mostly for a different use case. If I get subjects that say “critical alert” (etc), and it seems legitimate, then I just go to that service and see if something is actually going on. So basically everything in that box is suspect at best. Next, I tend to leave these emails unproved since there are so many. This way they auto-delete with no extra effort. Ex, I have an app that I see alerts in the app when I want to (on my timeline), but it also sends me emails. No way I can stop that behavior, and I can’t really stop using the app, so I just let them auto-purge without building any special rules.

    Now, if I see an email in there, and it correlates with an actual site/app notification, then I have the option to whitelist the source. I really don’t find myself doing that very often.

    It’s a pretty low-effort way to distinguish known sources, and to auto purge stuff I don’t want to strictly block.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Or, hear me out: neither. Make your devices cry when they try to display the number of unopened emails you have.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I spend a moment blocking their domain in postfix.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I know multiple people like this, but it's such an alien mindset to me xD

    I only ever keep stuff in my inbox that I'm not done dealing with, everything else gets archived in its appropriate category 🤓️

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oooohhh… clearly you have never donated to progressive causes… because deleting this shit FOREVER is not the only way to keep the inbox clean. Unsubscribing is a waste of time… they have lots and lots of telephone numbers.

    And before you tell me I’m not a progressive anymore… I’m still donating… but it’s cash only for these pricks.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ethical people wouldn't ignore unsubscriptions, or obfuscate how they contact you.

    If they do, then you know you failed at recognizing unethical people (and you'll hopefully investigate more in the future), and that you should never donate again to that organization and to stop being a member.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago
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    If it's something I know I subscribed to, I'll unsubscribe once, then immediately setup a filter to automatically mark anything new coming from that sender as spam.

    If it's something I didn't subscribe to, I just skip straight to the filter.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I want to know why your clicking of an unsubscribe button takes twice the time of the clicking of a presumably comparable delete button.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Or I could set a filter to auto delete them...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Can I please have a whitelist on my inbox?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I have a script to lookup the whois info for the sending IP address. Forward the message, with headers to them, saying "unsubscribe", then block that IP with a firewall.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    ITT not enough people using unique email addresses per company.

    I know exactly who I gave that email address to and therefore who you got it from. If unsubscribe doesn't work then that email address gets disabled.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Use email masking and block the mask.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I was seriously the latter group, until I took the time to unsub from GOG's countless barrage of emails. I'm still subbed to 2-Minute Tabletop because their emails don't show up too much and usually have more in them than just sales and wishlist games.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Deleting is way too much hassle. I mark them as read (sometimes) and move on. Until I get annoyed enough to go on an unsubscribe rampage

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It's a Black Friday tradition. By that date, everyone starts sending offers so that's a good time to unsubscribe from all of that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    More important than this is to utilise labels/filters on your email provider. I only recently gave my email account a sorting out and now i have like 23 subtabs across 6 primary tabs

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Maximize gains for the short term only, and screw the long term. Of course!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I am so used to the unsubscribe button not even doing anything that it is actually easier to simply add the sender to my block list.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Even in the US where customers rights are more of a suggestion than a set of laws, pulling that stuff should end them on your mail provider's shit list.

    Over here they get fined, and I think it can be for every single mail sent after the unsubscribe action

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