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[–] 124 points 2 months ago (13 children)

It makes people who like clean dishes and to actually use cups sad lol

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I saw this at chapters yesterday and there is no way to clean this thing:

    https://www.indigo.ca/products/front-peekaboo-dragon-mug

    There’s a hollow behind the dragin, you can’t fit a brush or sponge back there, it doesn’t look like you can put this in the dishwasher… so it’s going to be a bacterial breeding ground.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Let me guess, hand wash only, not microwave safe, and that donut graphic is a decal?

    Oh, you buy one of these every year at Universal Studios and never do dishes?

    Oh man, rent will be late this month? Don’t worry, that’s not a surprise.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is a weird fantasy you've cooked up here. Umm, you doing okay?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Other than hand-washing everyone’s crappy novelty mugs, I’m perfectly fine.

    It looks like I’ve triggered the local fans of CRAPPY MUGS THAT SUCK, so I’ll just say please consider dishwasher safety when visiting your local cheap mug retailer or wash your own damn mugs.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (32 children)

    How many holes does it have?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    I'm guessing two, but I'm no topologist (though I have watched a fair bit of Cliff Stoll...).

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  • [–] 63 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (22 children)

    I think it's three, the handle, the donut hole, then there's the hole/tunnel formed inside of the cup

    EDIT: there seems to be some confusion around what i mean, maybe this illustration will clear it up:

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    At first glance I would have said two, the handle and the donut hole. After reading and considering your answer, I'm pretty confident you're right. The space between the tunnel formed by the donut hole and the mug itself forms an odd hole, but there it is.

    Kudos, that's a fun little puzzle.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    Okay, if a torus with a single patch of empty space on its surface is two holes, then this is three holes. But now I'm confused, because I don't know if that's true topologically. Otherwise, it's just a two-torus with a perforation on its 2-surface.


    Edit: I've been informed by a topologist friend that this has two holes and that the lip of the mug is just a boundary.


    Edit 3: Ignore the case below if the lip is a smooth curve. I had a brainfart when thinking through the loop contraction.


    Edit 2: So to clarify, that's a boundary if the lip represents an abrupt transition to either side (i.e. if there's no "curve" into and out of the mug).

    Since that's less realistic, let's assume that you can smoothly walk from the interior surface of the mug to the exterior and show that it isn't topologically a hole for that case either.

    A picture of three rings around two holes and the purported "lip hole"

    I've created a continuous loop around the two holes and the candidate "lip hole". These loops are embedded in the surface of the mug. You can plainly see that you can't contract the loop to a single point around the handle hole or the donut hole without crossing over the hole.

    But now let's take our blue loop (the lip loop) and trivially contract it down to a point.

    Four steps to contract the loop to a point

    1. Our loop is on the outside around the lip.

    2. Take the loop inside of the lip since this is still a smooth, continous surface. The loop is now on the outer wall of the inner mug.

    3. Now bring the loop down toward the bottom along the wall.

    4. Contract the loop to a single point at the bottom.

    In this case, it isn't even a boundary anymore, and it provably isn't a hole.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    If we ignore the handle, the torus with a surface opening can be deformed continuously into an 8 shape, the lip of the mug is not a hole, but you can go down the lip of the mug, around the tube in the middle, and back out, a fully enclosed path

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's three. The hole through the center makes a hole around it inside the mug. Your topologist friend took too quick a glance at this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    The hole through the center makes a hole around it inside the mug.

    Yeah, the hole through the center is one hole (the "donut hole"). The handle is the other (the "handle hole").

    Topologically, the lip of the mug is a boundary, not a hole. This object is of genus 2 given it's a 2-manifold.


    Edit: The explanation below is the product of a brainfart.

    ~~But we can show this assuming the lip isn't an abrupt boundary and that instead that the outer wall of the inner loop is part of the same side as the outside of the mug (i.e. that you can continuously walk on the surface from the outside past the lip without crossing an abrupt boundary, which more closely matches the physical reality of this mug).~~~

    Watch this: imagine a loop around the hole of a donut. Now try to contract that loop down. Without cutting it, you can't.

    Now take a loop around the lip of this coffee mug. You can contract it to a point by bringing it all over the lip of the mug, then inside, along the outer walls, and then finally down to the bottom of the mug. It all meets up there. No hole. There's the donut hole and the handle hole, but the colloquial "hole" is either a boundary if the lip is flat or not even a boundary if it continuously curves inward.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Now take a loop around the lip of this coffee mug. You can contract it to a point by bringing it all over the lip of the mug, then inside, along the outer walls, and then finally down to the bottom of the mug.

    Nope, donut hole is in the way.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I still don't get how it's supposed to be two holes. I mean how is the part where the liquid would be in in this cup not a hole?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Topologically, that part is not a hole. The liquid basin not being a hole is where the joke in the OP originates, even: a standard coffee mug with a basin for coffee and a handle is homeomorphic (topologically equivalent) to a torus (a donut). And that's because the handle is the hole, not the basin.

    In the case of the OP, ignore the handle for a second just to simplify things. That's a hollowed-out donut (torus) except that you've taken a part of that donut's surface and cut it out. That area that's been cut out isn't topologically a hole; instead, you've just created a boundary on the 2-manifold (read: flexible surface).

    Topology has rigorous, algebraic definitions under the hood, but that's what's going on in this picture topologically: you've taken a donut, glued it to another donut, and cut a "hole" (colloquial usage) in the double-donut's surface, creating a boundary on the surface.


    Edit: To hopefully justify this a bit intuitively for the standard coffee mug (not this abomination in the OP), the utilities problem is a classic toy problem in topology that

    Tap for spoileris unsolvable on a 2D plane

    but

    Tap for spoilercan be solved when you embed it into the surface of a coffee mug.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I think only the main hole counts if we consider access to the inside. The donut hole is formed by, but does not penetrate the cup.

    Not sure how the handle fits in, seing as it has no inner surface

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    How does the handle have no "inner surface?"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's solid inside rather than hollow.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, I see. Well, it's still a hole.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Not a topological 'hole' but you can count it if you prefer

    I was wrong, its three! Posted this too early this morning.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    No, they're right. Normally the interior of the mug isn't a topological hole as it only has the one "exit". But when you connect the surfaces for the center hole, it creates a third hole in the interior of the mug. The handle loop (1), the interior of the donut hole (2), and the exterior of the donut hole and the walls and bottom of the interior (3).

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago

    It comes with a voucher for a free ambulance ride but in order to use it, you have to agree not to sue for genital injuries.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    How much mold is in the bottom? Nobody knows

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    For anyone still on the fence maybe this helps

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Someone took BlenderGuru's tutorial too far.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Bacteria love this one simple trick...

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    It looks like a mangled, prolapsed fleshlight that Jeffery dahmer would have.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Three holes

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    if the topologist works as a dishwasher...

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    ah :) the cylinder, I see you are a redditor

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Ah yes, the sore throat mug

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    When topologists say, a mug is a donut, this is not what they mean

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  • Nah, they love discussing holes in things.

    Fucking perverts.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Every mug with an ear is already a donut! Stop overcomplicating things!

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    I should call her

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    "How many doughnut mugs can you stack on it?"

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    the cavity, by definition should not be a hole

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