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[–] 4 points 2 months ago

There's extensions with that functionality, isn't there? Kind of the whole reason I like LibreOffice is that it's something simple when you need it to be, and you can add or remove features that aren't included by default.

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    This isn’t an oversight; it’s a promise. TDF says that if your work can’t leave the building for legal or privacy reasons, the only way to prove that later (during an audit, for example) is if the software never gave it anywhere to go.

    I love this. It’s a subtle burn, but it’s well-aimed.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    Once again reaffirming why LibreOffice clears OnlyOffice with its shitass "ai mode" nonsense you have to opt out of by default

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    Good. We dont want that shit and they know it.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    Collabora will never be good.

    When I learned it's "just" a libreoffice fork running on a remote server that is then screenshared to your browser...

    The input latency and the graphical wierdness when resizing the viewport suddenly made sense.

    I still want something better than onlyoffice for my nextcloud instance, but at least it is responsive.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    its not just. online is an option. here is the downloadable desktop version https://www.collaboraonline.com/collabora-office/

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    How does that help me add collaborative office suite functionality to my nextcloud instance?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    What are you asking for? My understanding is you're saying it's impossible to locally host collabora alongside nextcloud, is that correct?

    If so, it can be done and I current run it: https://hub.docker.com/r/collabora/code

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying Collaboras implementation is fundamentally unfit for use.

    I used to host a CODE server.

    It ran like shit, because it works by rendering the viewport on the remote system, not the client. Instead you essentially send every input to the server, wait for it to render the change, and then send that back to the client. Collabora is like using office software through vnc. Except all the time.

    The responsiveness is atrocious. Especially if you try to use it over a less than ideal connection.

    But it's just fucking text data. It shouldn't require the same infrastructure as remote gaming to be usable. It should be able to handle multiple seconds of latency, and just sync back up without the user ever noticing.

    But it can't. Because it RENDERS on the server. Which means the tiniest hiccup in the connection between server and user causes noticable issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I had the same experience 4 years ago with nextcloud + collabora, both hosted in their own docker containers. Performance sucked and it constantly broke (without any update or change to the config).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I'm currently using Collabora integrated into OpenOffice and I can't wait to swap it out for something else in the future, supposedly OO is working on more supported options. It's such trash.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

    How ironic, then, that this It's FOSS article reeks of slop.

    🆕 LibreOffice 26.8: What's New?

    There's no AI in LibreOffice 26.8. Nothing about the suite talks to a remote server, and none of it needs an internet connection to work.

    This isn't an oversight; it's a promise. TDF says that if your work can't leave the building for legal or privacy reasons, the only way to prove that later (during an audit, for example) is if the software never gave it anywhere to go.

    Anyhow, coming back to the editors. 👇

    Absolutely fuck this shit.


    Edit: Here's the blog post from TDF themselves if you don't just want an AI chewing up and vomiting out what the humans behind LibreOffice wrote.

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    Did you not read the It's FOSS article we're supposed to be discussing that's talking about LibreOffice?

    Are you objecting to this reading like LLM slop?

    I'm confused what you're confused about. This is a direct quote – formatting and all – from the article. OP stripped out e.g. the emojis when pasting it here.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There are 3 emojis on that page total. I think this is a case of seeing what AI trained on in the wild. Like seeing the thing where a trope came from. It reads like classic office worker announcement verbiage.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Generally I'd agree, but I'm suspicious about this one because the original announcement doesn't have that kind of wording.

    It's FOSS seems to have added marketing speak when reporting on the announcement, and the phrase "It's not X, it's Y" is a very common affectation with the current models

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's FOSS has a tendency to write in that kind of cadence. In general the articles they put out don't seem to be ones that are tedious or boring to write, so I don't see why they'd AI-generate their articles. I also remember their old articles before the AI hype train being written in the same kind of cadence. It is grating but I think it's an annoying human, not an annoying LLM.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Are you really saying we should now go out of our way to not sound like AI? That sounds fucking exhausting. Not to mention the fact that AI marketing speak is "trained* on marketing speak so of course the marketing speak release note is going to sound like AI marketing speak

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    of course the marketing speak release note is going to sound like AI marketing speak

    Weird. Because I'm not talking about the release note; I'm talking about It's FOSS' commentary on the release note. I read LibreOffice's 26.8 blog post, and as someone who's written a release blog before, it looks like a human wrote it. You'd think it wouldn't if "of course it's going to sound like AI marketing speak".

    Did you read what I wrote that you think I'm talking about the marketing note for LibreOffice 26.8?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    i dont understand why are u quoting three paragraphs and only adding "Absolutely fuck this shit." i dont undestand what are u blaming on (sorry my poor english)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Because the particular cadence and style looks like ChatGPT output. It follows a particular pattern of "it's not x; it's y". In this case, the

    This isn't an oversight; it's a promise.

    doesn't even make sense from a literary standpoint. It's perfectly formatted with the semicolon (which few humans understand how to use) and the boldface that excludes the full stop, but it just doesn't mean anything at all. It just follows the style template.

    The next sentence ("... if your work can't leave the building ... the only way to prove that later ... is if the software never gave it anywhere to go") also doesn't make any sense. No person writes like that. Like what? It sure sounds reassuring but really, what am I supposed to understand from this? That LibreOffice is an offline app? Yes but who the fuck would explain it that way?

    We know this is likely ChatGPT in particular because of how it uses emojis: opening sections, terminating conclusions, but never interspersed into a paragraph (which is something a certain segment of humans tend to do).

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing about the suite talks to a remote server, and none of it needs an internet connection to work.

    Nitpick: I'm pretty sure my Windows copy of LibreOffice has an update checker that talks to a remote server. On Bazzite the flatpak gets auto-updated, so if flatpak LO has its own update checker I've never seen it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    The actual quote on the blog post says

    Documents are not transmitted to remote services for processing, and no component of the suite requires network access to function.

    So its more saying that it can work offline, not that it doesn't have online features.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Glad to hear it, I use Libreoffice myself so I'm happy I don't have to drop it

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    No offense to anyone in particular at collabora but of course they are embracing AI. That shop is all about done is done and have nothing to do with code quality and testing.

    edit: embracogned / embracing

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This morning I embracogned my kids before I drove to work.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Meanwhile the only reason I'd use an office suite over Typst is real-time collaboration with people who don't know coding

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Libre, with all these great improvements, can I please, for the love of Christ, have a regular scroll bar with buttons in Writer, now? I don't care what it looks like, or if they only have the magenta ones in stock, just add it.

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