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[–] 124 points 2 months ago (34 children)

Aren't the serving sizes intentionally small so they can get away with saying that stuff has less sugar?

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  • [–] 62 points 2 months ago*

    Smaller portion = less sugar, fat, salt, calories etc... If I remember correctly a few states have addressed making unrealistic portion sizes for the label as making misleading claims.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Nutrients should always be listed in pr 100g or in percent (effectively the same).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Honestly do both and also per container and volume. Sometimes you care about absolute nutritional value, so you go on serving size or container, and sometimes you want to compare between two different things, so you use % mass or per 100 ml

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Tic-tacs are 94% sugar. A serving of tic-tacs is 1 tic-tac, which is just under half a gram. The FDA considers less than half a gram of sugar in a serving to be negligible and not required to be listed.

    In other words, a product that is 94% sugar is legally sugar-free.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    In the EU (probably in the rest of europe too) you must have a per 100 gram (you can have bullshit "portions" too if you want to, but the "per 100 gram" must be there).

    How the hell do you americans compare different brands??

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure they are standardized between product categories. I actually eat serving sizes, and most salty snack foods are 28g.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It seems like it's based on portions recorded for the food type 40-50 years ago.

    https://foodlabelmaker.com/regulatory-hub/fda/serving-size/ https://www.fda.gov/media/102587/download

    So they are going to run smaller than modern portions if people eat more now. Similar products should at least have similar serving mass, although there is room for adjustment for practical reasons like rounding to whole units. I'm not sure how new products without an early analogue are set.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    They are almost always 1 oz (28g).

    But, individually packaged stuff does tend to pull bullshit like “1 serving=half a bottle of soda”

    Peanut butter is probably going to be fine though

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I saw a wrapped item that did the opposite, which was weird. It was a pack of 3 pieces and a serving was 4.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Probably to hit some magic number:

    Contains 10 g of protein per serving!!^*^

    ^*^Serving size 10 kg

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Wtf peanut butter you get into that's got sugar?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Looked into it, could not find a peanut butter jar whose nutritional facts did not have sugar. Most common amount was 3g per serving.

    Serving size was 2 tablespoons, or 32 grams. That doesn't actually sound that unreasonalsble for a pb&j to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    nonetheless that is shit peanut butter. Yes, it's all got sugars in it

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Any excuse to put corn into everything. Otherwise US farmers might have to go back to growing diverse crops instead the environmentally destructive monocrops. Won't you think think of the investors?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Monocropping is destructive, corn is fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Three sisters companion planting begs to differ. Any plant is a monoculture if you plant it alone, and isn't if you don't.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. And corn is not 3 plants.

    We're talking about corn. Just corn. Not 3 sisters. Not multiculture. Just corn.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I'm just trying to point out that it doesn't make sense to classify a plant as a monoculture because monoculture is a planting style that can be applied to any plant, and any plant can also be planted as part of a polyculture.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    As someone who, if anything, wants to gain weight, this has the inverse effect for me. Peanut butter is great because it's so dense with calories. (I try to avoid sugar though, but I don't think peanut butter has much added sugar, but I'll have to check next time I have some.)

    I know I'm in the minority though. I'm a 6ft tall man who weighs ~125-130lb. I was stuck at 120 for a decade or more, and only recently have put on a couple more pounds. I don't have an eating disorder or anything, but I just struggle to put on weight, so my serving sizes personally for peanut butter are way higher than average.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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    Just FYI, I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but it's not appreciated. I've had issues in the past, and still do some, about feeling too skinny. This was not me bragging, and I've gotten it a lot in the past that people treat it as something good, while I struggle with it. Would you say the same to an overweight person who is trying to not be overweight?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    There are a lot of fat people who use Lemmy and they take it very personally when someone doesn't shovel as much food in their gut as they do, take it as a compliment. Skinny people live longer.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I’m in the “healthy” BMI range, thank you. I just hate having to work to maintain that. I would love to shovel as much food in my gut as I want; I spend most of the time thinking about my next meal. But I also understand that being overweight is a huge predictor of lots of other issues and like you said, an early death.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Sorry I've been dealing with other people who want to try to tell me that taking a drug to make your dick work is equivalent to lifestyle changes like taking fucking vitamins. Made me very salty, and my fiery gaze transfixed onto you. Again, I'm sorry.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    It's the recommended serving sizes that are out of touch with reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, it should be illegal to list serving sizes that disconnected from reality. They should be MANDATED to have the first column list the nutrition information for the container as a whole, and then let them put whatever ridiculous lie, but it should only be allowed in a second column, that I can ignore after seeing the first column that shows what the container actually contains.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know how they do it elsewhere, but here in New Zealand, they put "per 100g" measurements on the labels which are really helpful.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    In the U.S. they use deception to make it unclear how many servings are in a container.

    And they'll do this in multiple different ways. They'll do things like selling you a single candy bar and claiming that it has like 8 different servings, but the amount that each serving is supposed to be isn't set by any standard, so one company may have the serving be a whole bag, one may be half a bag, one may be like 1/4.7 of a bag(and yes, they'll literally say there are 4.7 settings in a bag).

    And they might sell you an teeny tiny individual bag of chips and claim that a serving is like 1.87 chips.

    I bought a snack food a while back, and it was a very small container, but the nutrition information was listed deceptively to imply that it had 180 calories. In the store, the bag was next to multiple similar foods that all had roughly the same health information and were all about 200 calories. I am health conscious and I checked the calories and saw that it had 180 calories. So I tried it, and I liked it, and bought it fairly regularly for about two months(and by that, I mean about once a week).

    After about two months, I happened to notice that the serving size listed for this product wasn't the same as the other foods next to it on the shelves, but that instead the serving size was about 1/3 the serving size of the similar products. I found out I'd been eating 540 calories per bag, when literally all of the similar products on the shelf next to it had 200 calories per whole bag. The servings for the others were one per bag, but for this product, there was no indication that the bag wasn't a single serving.

    And I wish that they'd use SI units, but they don't.

    People in the U.S. have trouble searching for information for the nutritional value of the food, and companies intentionally lie, trick, and deceive, and then some are also very direct in making things completely ridiculous.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Suggested serving sizes have never been realistic. Manipulated by the manufacturer to make us think the food is lower in calories than it actually is.

    In reality we all serve ourselves a fifth of a jar. List THOSE calories on the label please.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Peanut butter typically has a serving size of one or two tablespoons. That's entirely reasonable.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Just used a tablespoon of peanut butter right now. Pretty sure I've never used more than two unless I'm making a recipe for multiple people.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's ok to admit you don't like peanut butter. Next you're going to tell us you only eat the smooth stuff, aren't you? 🤔

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Half my diet was stopping eating peanut butter. The other half was drinking less. Helth

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Peanut butter is delicious but it's basically the neutron star of food calories! Makes me sad.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's one of the reasons peanut butter is an incredible survival food. Nutrient/calorie dense, doesn't need refrigeration, shelf stable for a long long time, it's delicious. It checks a lot of boxes that not many other foods can.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's not me that's out of touch with reality, peanut butter jar.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    We would like to remind you that your peanut butter jar will never talk back to you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that your peanut butter jar does speak, we urge you to eat its contents immediately and dispose of the jar responsibly. Please recycle.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You guys get multiple servings from a jar?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

    It is rough that many types of peanut butter contain the sugar content they do. Really deceptive with how significant it builds up to being once put into perspective. I encourage y'all to try plain peanut butter, just nuts and salt. Gonna be a slightly different experience, but the peanut intensity is just so much greater, and man its much healthier.

    Speaking from experience, as I am actively eating it now.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    I tried to start a peanut butter religion with my friends. We came up with names of deities, holy rites, and decided that priests had to wear the mr peanut outfit. Sadly we couldn't get many others to convert to our new religion….
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    May Pata Pinati bless you this day

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    As a child I had a mission, one I failed at over and over again. I wanted to make peanut butter toast as good as Grandma. PB toast at my grandparents' house was delicious, at home it was trash. I thought I had it the time I noticed she put a little butter on it before the PB. My disappointment was immeasurable when I found that although it helped, it was still nowhere as good. I could never get above a 4/5 to Grandma's 10. I started to wonder, was it just the environment? Was it sitting in Grandma's sunny kitchen before going golfing with Grandpa that made it the food of the gods?

    At some point I stopped trying and it became one of those things from childhood I forgot; until my girlfriend (now wife) went grocery shopping and bought real PB. It immediately brought back memories that I hadn't had for over a decade. I realized this was it, it was so simple, Grandma had the real shit and I only had Skippy/Jiff shit.

    It still blows my mind. How the fuck did my parents' generation, who grew up with the good stuff, accept this shitty substitute? It's not even cheaper. I just checked the nearest grocery store and the ones that are just peanuts and salt are the cheapest.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    A serving size of peanut butter is one.

    One spoon.

    One inch.

    One jar.

    etc.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I'm not out of touch, those lying fucks trying to obscure the calories are at fault

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The serving size is what I snack on while I'm making my peanut butter sandwich.

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    [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    That’s a European serving. The rest of the jar is one Texan serving.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    we don't even list serving sizes on our stuff, just nutrients per 100g so you can count it yourself

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I used to think this was a bad idea because while objective numbers are great, it can be difficult to apply it to real life. But then manufacturers play games with serving size so it’s no more realistic than a flat 100g, so I’ll pick the more honest choice

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    100g maps directly to percentages. 3.5g sugar per serving, 1 serving is ⅓ cup -> ??% sugar per unit weight. 9g sugar per 100g -> 9% per unit weight. makes it possible to actually calculate nutrient intake in your head.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I used to think this was a bad idea because while objective numbers are great, it can be difficult to apply it to real life.

    If you aren't going to measure how much you're eating, then neither form of label matters.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    "serving size" is a BS scam. it's "whatever amount so the calories look OK"...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That 2 tablespoon serving shows me that i regularly eat 4 servings per sammich.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Given that the most typical use is spreading it on a slice of bread, I’ll argue, no I’m not out of touch, everyone else is. When the “serving size” can’t fill the expected use case, it’s not the consumer that’s wrong

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I put like 10x this on some graham crackers last night 😬

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    This is the one of the top signs that we're living in a simulation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    If it's anything but the entire jar, it's wrong.

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