Bad memory/routines? We have to be related. Since that feels like me.

They have embraced the meme

Why set a reminder when an expiration will do the same job

Ubuntu and bad updates

This is the only drama in your list I'm not familiar with already. What/when did they last break?

Welcome to Linux, do you want the BenevolentDictatorOS, WeaponsManifaturerOS, MalwareOS or Debian?

you forgot the oldest of them all, Debian and the its museum, their repos

Debian and shipping broken packages

AUR malware

Really, something like this ever happened lol?

They gotta be trolling the entire linux userbase at this point.

Most web server have ACME support built-in nowadays, setup is a matter of minutes, no scripting required. This has been a solved problem for years, any sysadmin who can't handle this basic task has no business running public-facing servers.

At this point, it's a tradition!

BINGO!

In fact I got a full 5x5 card of bingo because I wrote "Manjaro doesn't renew its cert" in all of the boxes.

Why isn’t this an automated processs for them?

Because manjaro.org is controlled personally by Phil, the CEO of the company, who's paranoid about letting anybody else handle it. And also can't figure out how to renew automatically, apparently. People have to remind him on Discord. 🤦

Everything else *.manjaro.org (forums, mirrors etc.) is handled by different people and have never expired afaik.

It's literally just the main webpage that has this problem, everything else about the distro is never impacted.

Why isn't it for everyone? How often I see this with, I mean, major actors is head shakingly baffling.

I wonder if they are still on an old cert system.

LetsEncrypt also gives you a month to update certificate, you don't even have to do it yourself, just run a script once a week in cron. That's such a level of incompetence I wonder why anyone will trust them with a distro when they can't even do such a simple task.

You could proactively take care of it with a reminder on the calendar. Or alternatively, just let the community inform you when you need to renew it. Both are effective methods.

Perhaps the looming prospect of having to do it every 47 days was enough.

Or caddy that does it automatically

But of course it's more complex than that in significantly distributed environments

Same here. I mean, Pop OS was technically my first, but I only used that for like 2 weeks and then switched to Manjaro.

Doesn't happen with Antergos either.

I mean, I've gotten a NXDomain error ever since they shut down, but at least it's not a certificate expiry!

Look, I don't want to call you a liar... so let's say maybe you meant to say pamac or got things wrong.

Because:

1. That's not how pacman works. If it hits a mirror with expired certs it just outputs a warning and uses another mirror.
2. On a fresh install Manjaro will compile an optical subset of mirrors for you based on location and response time. Those mirrors are spread around the world on different domains. It's very unlikely that your list would include ONLY mirrors.manjaro.org and mirrors2.manjaro.org.
3. But even if it did, and let's say for the sake of argument there is a bug in pacman AND you got those mirrors... those two hosts are on a different certificate from manjaro.org (the website), are CNAME'd to .rsc.cdn77.org hosts, get renewed automatically separately from the website cert, and have never been allowed to lapse afaik.

I mean, it happens every 3 months when the LE cert expires...

It was a whole forum thing and deadline before they would fork it - have not kept up with any updates personally

The new e.V. formed in late June, but as far as I understand, they don't actually have control over any of the infrastructure.

Well, it's always been Manjaro either way.

Well, Manjaro popped up when a lot of people cannot install Arch on their own. Same thing with Ubuntu and Debian. Once a userbase formed, people follow suit I guess.

It was part of my linux journey long ago, and TBH I bet many still run into in from historical recommendations and popularity.

But I think CachyOS is taking over their "preconfigured arch with the most SEO" spot.

The website cert is the one that expires. It doesn't impact anything else about the distro. The package mirrors are on different hosts (and certs). It's a good distro, wish they'd sort out the kerfuffle with the founder (who's the one holding them back).

Honestly, I installed it on my 2nd laptop and workstation because I really wanted the AUR, but got tired of Arch unstable update process 15 years ago and left Linux for personal use for MacOS. It still has everything I want on my main laptop, home brew and a terminal with tmux.

It just works and I just couldn't be arsed reinstalling, but yeah, if I would, I would just use Arch again now.