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[–] 149 points 2 months ago (56 children)

Trying to combat drug addiction through policing has been proven ineffective time and time again. You may want to rethink that one.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 months ago (29 children)

    Came to say this! Drug addicts need help, not jail. Sure, if they commit a crime police should be involved, but it’s not going to cure their addiction!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Idk. I'm a public bus driver, am in pretty consistent contact with drug users. Not to mention living in amongst them in the poorer areas of tow. I'm not saying we should arrest them and give them lengthy sentences, but just leaving them on the street ain't working out.

    I think a mandatory "time out" in a facility is in order. At least long enough to work the drugs out of their system. Maybe then they can try for a better way with a little clearer head.

    But some days it feels like I'm living in a post apocalypse mad Max type place. It's bullshit that they're allowed to just trash anyplace they are. There's what's best for them, and there's what's best for the rest of us. There's gotta be something done.

    Edit: downvote me all you want, just leaving the problem to fester as we are now is neither kind nor progressive

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Their "mandatory time out" doesn't have to be punitive, or handled by the penal system at all.

    Step one: outreach and detox
    A social worker could show up and interview them, ask them if they want help. If they do, great. Get them in a car, take them to a detox center. If someone doesn't want to go with the social worker (which might be a majority of patients), then the social worker gets their name and contact info if they can, gives them some brochures about the program and about the benefits of recovery, and moves on to interview others.

    about non-compliant/unwilling patients:That's just the first pass. Another social worker comes by on another day and sees if anyone changed their mind, and if so, great, they take them to the detox center.

    Eventually though, something will need to be done about those who are unwilling to go; for their own benefit as much as anyone else's. This should not be done by police though. There needs to be a special task force of social workers who are trained in self-defense, weapons handling, de-escalation, non-compliance, and least-necessary-force techniques.

    Basically, they show up sometime after the second or third pass and sweep up anyone who wasn't willing to go. They take them to a special detox facility, still a comfortable and professional clinic, but with higher security in place, so that these patients won't present problems for the ones who went willingly.

    If they detox successfully and their behavior improves significantly, they can be given an option to move to the next step with the others. If they remain belligerent or hostile, however, they need to be taken to a special higher-security version of it where they won't be a barrier to others' recovery. (Again, a clean and professional facility, but the staff have more specialized training for dealing with non-compliant patients).

    Step two: residential recovery
    After they detox, transfer them to a residential recovery program with a structured regiment, complete with in-house psychosocial therapy, prescription management, and recreational therapy.

    Step three: vocational therapy
    When they graduate from this program, get them into vocational therapy or a job training program, with the option to either live on their own (if their recovery has progressed well enough), or have them move into a smaller share house with a peer recovery coach.

    That's a three-step approach:

    (outreach)→detox→recovery→reintegration.

    By the end of it they'll be an active contributing member of society, have community support, hobbies, be enrolled in therapy, have their prescriptions managed, and have someone to check in on them periodically to help them maintain the good habits they've developed.

    Step four: return to full independence
    After maybe a year in the transitional housing then they get support searching for their own place and return to full independence with a year of sobriety under their belt, but they keep access to the same therapists, recreational groups, prescription management, and can keep in touch with their peer recovery coach.

    It sounds expensive, and it does require a lot of real estate, personnel, trained professionals, food and healthcare, etc. But with how much we already spend on police and prisons, it might actually save the taxpayers money in the end. Especially with universal healthcare; this would be harder to implement in the US where prescriptions can cost over $1000 per month for no reason, but universalizing healthcare first will make it more feasible.

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  • [+] [S] -76 points 2 months ago (24 children)
  • [–] 58 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    This guy reminds teachers they forgot to give out homework..

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  • [+] [S] -63 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    I mean if you want to get specific what I really want is to remind police that doing drugs is illegal and they should focus on busting those people...instead of kids having fun on scooters

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (6 children)
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    In the US it's so they can give black people felonies for being black so they can't vote.

    That's literally what started the war on drugs. Well, blacks and hippies.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    This is also why alcohol, which is a way more harmful drug to others than all of the illegal drugs[1], is legal.

    [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21036393/

    Findings: MCDA modelling showed that heroin, crack cocaine, and metamfetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals (part scores 34, 37, and 32, respectively), whereas alcohol, heroin, and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others (46, 21, and 17, respectively). Overall, alcohol was the most harmful drug (overall harm score 72), with heroin (55) and crack cocaine (54) in second and third places.

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  • [+] [S] -42 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Kids having fun on scooters doing illegal things.

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  • [+] [S] -32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    One is a felony the other a misdemeanor

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago*

    Busting drug addicts will do ZERO to help the drug and crime problems. Even law enforcers will tell you that.

    Those problems are so much more complex, and require fundamental reforms in social policies, mental healthcare, education, youth programmes, city planning etc. And then there's the issue of dealing with the gangs, smugglers and foreign organized syndicates bringing the stuff into the country.

    Kids driving recklessly on scooters (which are often modified) are:

    A) A danger to themselves

    B) A danger to pedestrians they could crash into

    C) A serious danger to cars that swerve to avoid them when they go out on the main road.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    Putting someone in timeout maybe works for three year olds but it doesn't work for adults even if you hold them there 1000 times longer. Restitution and rehabilitation is a significantly more effective solution and results in much lower recidivism. Only reason to lock someone in a box is if they present a significant danger to the public, and that's not to punish them, but to protect others.

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  • [+] [S] -64 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    If you arrest the users they'll give up the dealers

    That's policing 101

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Arresting drug addicts in the war on drugs is part of how the US ended up with 25% of the world's prison population. End result? Same amount of drugs.

    Criminalizing drug use does literally nothing except lead to the death of democracy.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    And is ineffective. Didn’t you watch The Wire?

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  • [+] [S] -35 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    No I watched breaking bad

    They went after the one drug user (badger) and eventually it led all the way up to the Heisenberg guy

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    dumbest comments I’ve seen all day are all from you

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  • [+] [S] -26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just amazed how many people are on the side of the drug addicts

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  • It's almost like drug addicts are still people who deserve to be treated like people. Throwing them in jail and subjecting them to police brutality does not help anyone except the fake numbers game of the police. If you really want to help people with addictions you have to be willing to work with them and treat the problems at the source rather than resort to punitive measures for no reasons.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Do you not remember his name?

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Dont fight drug use, fight drug distribution and the root problems why people are on the street taking drugs

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Drug use is a social problem. If I offered you a huge bag of fentanyl for free right now, would you take it? What conditions in your life would make you more likely to accept it? Lets address the things which cause those conditions for other people.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    OP, did a cop give you a ticket for riding a scooter?

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  • [+] [S] -23 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    No they gave a 12 yr old a ticket... Well actually hey gave it to his father

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Maybe they shouldn't have been doing something illegal. 🤔

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  • [+] [S] -17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe unjust laws shouldn't be obeyed

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    There is no justice in punishing people who’ve become addicted, and are just using to satisfy the addiction.

    You know who becomes addicted? The kid who runs/drives/rides in front of a car and ends up on major pain meds. Maybe ticketing parents who let their kids do that, without regard for the evidence of its dangers is a good idea after all.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Cops "going after" drug addicts? Like giving them help and treating them like humans?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Remember that time we legalized cannabis and it had literally zero impact on society? Let's do that with the rest of them too.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    ITT: OP wanting the cops to go after people doing illegal things, but only the illegal things that OP agrees with.

    OP has no empathy and insists on being downvoted to hell rather than recognizing that they're being a heartless hypocrite.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I mean, they shouldn't be going after drug addicts either.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Well if they would fix traffic infrastructure to support bicycles and other alternative transports they would have less of a problem with this.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    ACAB includes OP

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why would they give 12y old tickets? Don’t they have any newer ones?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Harm reduction and rehab centers where they can use in a safe environment is how you really help people addicted to drugs. Instead of locking them in a cage and pretending they don't exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    this is a weird comparison

    there are real criminals out there and OP chose drug addicts, a crime which by itself is just minding your own business

    fuck, go after the drivers endangering countless people every day. far more dangerous than drug addicts that commit crimes that affect other people

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Drug problem is a healthcare issue, not a crime issue.

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  • Leave the drug addicts alone!

    Also legalize it man. By it I mean pretty much everything. Yowza daddy-o.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Counterpoint: parents should be given tickets for endangering their child's lives by giving them something that can cause death or greivous injury - calling it a "toy" that goes 30+ mph ridden on public roads with no training, license, or obeying traffic signs and signals.

    One of these days it's going to be a lawmakers kid that is going to get turned into a meat crayon. Then we might just get some reasonable legislation. I hate that it pretty much has to come down to many children dying for meaningful change to take place.

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  • [+] [S] -16 points 2 months ago

    USA reports 11 deaths under 16 and Canada 10

    So 21 deaths in what 15 or 20 years these have been around

    Probably around 1 per year

    How many kids have been killed by drug users or drug dealers... probably more than 1 per Year

    USA alone has so many drug related shootings they probably can't even reliably track how many kids get shot

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    in this case the police are correct

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Drug consumption should never be criminalized. And I say this as someone who doesn't even drink alcohol.

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